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I'm certain that was an exaggeration. Ollie new bball. But it seems like he didn't support the players enough for sure

He knows basketball for sure, but he didn't seem to know much about developing players. I could see that quote as being Ollie's attempt at 'tough love', which in that circumstance, is useless.
 
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What I like most about @Chief00 is his willingness to be true to himself in the face of unrelenting criticism.
No kidding.
What gets said to Chief here is straight bullying.
The guy doesn't constantly rip and insult other posters, like several loud, prominent posters here (including our Resident Bully); he doesn't constantly call people names like he's a petulant 9 year old, like one particular high-count poster here (you know who you are); he doesn't get political or ruin threads with off topic comments (no need to say it, guilty), and the tenor of his posts is always suitable and non-offensive.
But he's an easy target, because he doesn't fight back, so our Resident Bully rips him and gets a bunch of likes for it.
Really wonderful.

If we knew that the Chief handle was bogus, then I'd be all about the ragging.

I really despise bullies. There was a kid on my bus growing up who was quiet. Kept to himself. Wore glasses. Small. He used to get off the bus in front of his house, which was across from the graveyard where his father was buried. He would never walk in front of the bus and go directly to his house. Nope, he would get off the bus and start walking down the side of the road alongside the bus toward his father's grave. The bus chief bully would start to scream the insult of the day, his pack of droogs would all join in the screaming. They would then all go to the windows, which only opened about 5 inches, turn their heads sideways, jam their faces in the window openings, and then spit at the kid. Every day.
 
He knows basketball for sure, but he didn't seem to know much about developing players. I could see that quote as being Ollie's attempt at 'tough love', which in that circumstance, is useless.
I really would love to see Ollie employed as a head coach sooner rather than later. I would like another data point to help determine how much of 2014 was the luck of the inheritance and how much was him.
My null hypothesis is that he's a terrible coach and has no business coaching.
 
The guy doesn't constantly rip and insult other posters, like several loud, prominent posters here (including our Resident Bully);

Wrong.

he doesn't constantly call people names like he's a petulant 9 year old, like one particular high-count poster here (you know who you are)

Debatable, but essentially wrong.

he doesn't get political or ruin threads with off topic comments (no need to say it, guilty),

Sigh.

1) Chief inserts comments about "Marxist professors" into non-Cesspool threads out of the blue.

2) Chief is on record multiple times as entering threads and making posts that have absolutely zero to do with what is being discussed.

Chief is a condescending egomaniac who is obsessed with elevating himself above the rest of us and putting everyone else down. Plenty of people are better at both providing actual basketball analysis and dropping insider information than he is, and none of them actively try to prop up cults of personality around themselves.

Your analogy comparing Chief to some poor little child whose father passed away could not be more off. Quite frankly, it's an insult to anyone who faced anything similar growing up. Chief is not a victim in any sense of the word.
 
Your analogy comparing Chief to some poor little child whose father passed away could not be more off. Quite frankly, it's an insult to anyone who faced anything similar growing up. Chief is not a victim in any sense of the word.
You missed the point: the child was young Frank Ivy.
 
He knows basketball for sure, but he didn't seem to know much about developing players. I could see that quote as being Ollie's attempt at 'tough love', which in that circumstance, is useless.
I read it as curt a response to needy player that whose play didn't match his self-perception.

Hard to say though.
 
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I read it as curt a response to needy player that whose play didn't match his self-perception.

Hard to say though.

It's never bad advice to an ambitious basketball player to get in the gym and work. But if that's all there is, then you're not a coach. I know nothing about basketball coaching and I could give that advice.
 
I read it as curt a response to needy player that whose play didn't match his self-perception.

Hard to say though.

Kid was just post freshman year. Obviously he's got maturity issues. Point him in the right direction on the court at least.

Don't want him on the parallel bars with Travis after all.
 
I never got over Vance Jackson reportedly being told to "get in the gym" when he asked what the plan was for developing his game. Something was wrong.


I made a comment that VJ looked slow and kind of unathletic when he committed. I got ripped by a number of people. Vance truly did need to get in the gym. He had a lot of potential but since he could already shoot, he needed to increase his strength and quickness along with improving his handle. You can teach a kid what to do on the court but you can’t teach him to dribble or to lift weights. He needed to bounce the ball in his free time and work out. That was good advice.
 
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It's never bad advice to an ambitious basketball player to get in the gym and work. But if that's all there is, then you're not a coach. I know nothing about basketball coaching and I could give that advice.

Kid was just post freshman year. Obviously he's got maturity issues. Point him in the right direction on the court at least.

Agree. We don't know if that was the only instruction he got. We also don't know if the quote is accurate. We do know that KO didn't have the best history developing kids.
 
Getting 100-200 ranked kids to reclassify up a year is sure to bring their program back up to mediocrity again.

I am sure that Capel is a decent recruiter....but Duke could recruit a top class with almost anyone doing the main share of recruiting.

They have established the coach and the program as a brand where good players come to play...the fact that they signed the #1, #2, and #3 recruit in 2018 is phenomenal....but I don't think Capel recruiting any where else would be as successful.
 
Only people happier about the coaching change than the fans are the players, they desperately wanted to be coached up.
If Hurley can coach up Jalen Adams, next season will be a surprise to many people, and a huge success for Adams on a personal level. Not to mention Carlton, Vital, and Cobb.
 
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You missed the point: the child was young Frank Ivy.
I'm pretty sure I've said this before about a post you made about me, but . . . your post isn't going to get near the likes it should!
 
What I was impressed by was coach Hurley having that star struck look upon entering, and the expression on his face when he was being introduced. He/They are opening it up, getting the brand back in front of people
 
I made a comment that VJ looked slow and kind of unathletic when he committed. I got ripped by a number of people. Vance truly did need to get in the gym. He had a lot of potential but since he could already shoot, he needed to increase his strength and quickness along with improving his handle. You can teach a kid what to do on the court but you can’t teach him to dribble or to lift weights. He needed to bounce the ball in his free time and work out. That was good advice.
VJ averages 16+ points per game and 40%+ from 3 next season. I am fully expecting this to come back to bite us in the ass.
 
Even if your first sentence turns out to be substantially true, how does this "bite us in the ass," let alone be rise to a full expectation or even matter?

I'm more worried about Durham. But since Ollie is now gone, there's just not much sense in getting worked up over that stuff - between Waters, Herron, Diallo, MAL, Akinjo, etc. people will drive themselves insane.
 
No kidding.
What gets said to Chief here is straight bullying.
The guy doesn't constantly rip and insult other posters, like several loud, prominent posters here (including our Resident Bully); he doesn't constantly call people names like he's a petulant 9 year old, like one particular high-count poster here (you know who you are); he doesn't get political or ruin threads with off topic comments (no need to say it, guilty), and the tenor of his posts is always suitable and non-offensive.
But he's an easy target, because he doesn't fight back, so our Resident Bully rips him and gets a bunch of likes for it.
Really wonderful.

If we knew that the Chief handle was bogus, then I'd be all about the ragging.

I really despise bullies. There was a kid on my bus growing up who was quiet. Kept to himself. Wore glasses. Small. He used to get off the bus in front of his house, which was across from the graveyard where his father was buried. He would never walk in front of the bus and go directly to his house. Nope, he would get off the bus and start walking down the side of the road alongside the bus toward his father's grave. The bus chief bully would start to scream the insult of the day, his pack of droogs would all join in the screaming. They would then all go to the windows, which only opened about 5 inches, turn their heads sideways, jam their faces in the window openings, and then spit at the kid. Every day.

There's a lot to like about Chief. I like him, myself. But at some point you have to draw the line between bullying and inevitable social reinforcement. And perhaps the most important point is that if he's self-confident enough to talk the way he does, then he's definitely self-confident enough to not care about some relatively innocuous snickering in response. The fact that he hasn't changed his approach is evidence that he's either a master troll or just somebody with the right temperament for the environment he inhabits.
 
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No kidding.
What gets said to Chief here is straight bullying.
The guy doesn't constantly rip and insult other posters, like several loud, prominent posters here (including our Resident Bully); he doesn't constantly call people names like he's a petulant 9 year old, like one particular high-count poster here (you know who you are); he doesn't get political or ruin threads with off topic comments (no need to say it, guilty), and the tenor of his posts is always suitable and non-offensive.
But he's an easy target, because he doesn't fight back, so our Resident Bully rips him and gets a bunch of likes for it.
Really wonderful.

If we knew that the Chief handle was bogus, then I'd be all about the ragging.

I really despise bullies. There was a kid on my bus growing up who was quiet. Kept to himself. Wore glasses. Small. He used to get off the bus in front of his house, which was across from the graveyard where his father was buried. He would never walk in front of the bus and go directly to his house. Nope, he would get off the bus and start walking down the side of the road alongside the bus toward his father's grave. The bus chief bully would start to scream the insult of the day, his pack of droogs would all join in the screaming. They would then all go to the windows, which only opened about 5 inches, turn their heads sideways, jam their faces in the window openings, and then spit at the kid. Every day.

I’m curious about your story in which the bully’s were spitting on the kid who visited his dads grave, what did you do when this occurred? And by no means am I questioning your toughness or manhood at the time it just brings up similar situations I had growing up, some of which I walked away from and others I stood up for the “different” individual. These are tough situations when we are young for varying reasons.
 
I'm more worried about Durham. But since Ollie is now gone, there's just not much sense in getting worked up over that stuff - between Waters, Herron, Diallo, MAL, Akinjo, etc. people will drive themselves insane.
There's not much nourishment to be gained from either, but generally speaking, it would be regretting the past and worrying about the future.

Further guidance is available in the form of accepting what cannot be changed, seeking courage to change what can be changed, and starting by discerning the difference between which people, places, and things can and cannot be changed.

For the committed, Conference Realignment might qualify as something one could both regret and worry about, but it still might not be the best way to inhabit the present.
 
The guy doesn't constantly rip and insult other posters, like several loud, prominent posters here (including our Resident Bully); he doesn't constantly call people names like he's a petulant 9 year old, like one particular high-count poster here (you know who you are); he doesn't get political or ruin threads with off topic comments (no need to say it, guilty), and the tenor of his posts is always suitable and non-offensive.


If we knew that the Chief handle was bogus, then I'd be all about the ragging.

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Chief does all of the above, though I appreciate your fervor in calling out the guy we all know you’re talking about.
 
I really would love to see Ollie employed as a head coach sooner rather than later. I would like another data point to help determine how much of 2014 was the luck of the inheritance and how much was him.
My null hypothesis is that he's a terrible coach and has no business coaching.

I didn't know what a null hypothesis was, so I Googled it and read all the definitions, and I still don't know what it is. But if you mean that KO is a terrible college coach and has no business coaching a college team, than I ditto your hypothesis. I can forgive JC for failing to see this in advance, but it's hard to forgive the posters here who cannot see it in 20-20 hindsight -- and I mean those who qualify the phrase "terrible coach" in any positive way.
 
I didn't know what a null hypothesis was, so I Googled it and read all the definitions, and I still don't know what it is. But if you mean that KO is a terrible college coach and has no business coaching a college team, than I ditto your hypothesis. I can forgive JC for failing to see this in advance, but it's hard to forgive the posters here who cannot see it in 20-20 hindsight -- and I mean those who qualify the phrase "terrible coach" in any positive way.
The null hypothesis is the statement you are trying to disprove in the experiment
 
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Thank you. My heartfelt sympathies go out to whomever KO cons next into funding such an experiment.

Unless he convinces some unsuspecting, delusional AD that he can pull another NC rabbit out of his hat, I seriously doubt he will ever land a HC position at a high major program. Perhaps if he rehabilitates his rep with a lower level program first, he can eventually get back to the big time.
 
Unless he convinces some unsuspecting, delusional AD that he can pull another NC rabbit out of his hat, I seriously doubt he will ever land a HC position at a high major program. Perhaps if he rehabilitates his rep with a lower level program first, he can eventually get back to the big time.

He needs to be an assistant coach for a while. Maybe with more time, learning, and perspective, he'll discover a desire to be a head coach. I think his heart wasn't fully in it and that was the biggest source of his problems.
 
There's not much nourishment to be gained from either, but generally speaking, it would be regretting the past and worrying about the future.

Further guidance is available in the form of accepting what cannot be changed, seeking courage to change what can be changed, and starting by discerning the difference between which people, places, and things can and cannot be changed.

For the committed, Conference Realignment might qualify as something one could both regret and worry about, but it still might not be the best way to inhabit the present.

Yes you're right but that might be a bit radical for this board. Baby steps.
 
I didn't know what a null hypothesis was, so I Googled it and read all the definitions, and I still don't know what it is.
Let's suppose that you think that lilac pollen is causing bee die off. You begin your analysis by saying: "Lilac pollen is causing bee die off." That is your null hypothesis. You then seek to show that, statistically, lilac poison is NOT causing bee die off. You might review data on a thousand bee hives, only 20% of which have access to lilac poison. If, statistically, there is no (significant) correlation between hives dying off and lilac access, you have DISPROVED the null hypothesis. For example, if the numbers show that bee die off rate is the same for hives having access to lilac and hives that don't have access, then there would be no statistical connection shown in the data you have. Ergo, you have disproved or weakened the null hypothesis.
Note that a null hypothesis can never by proved. In other words, if you, if fact, found a statistically significant connection between bee die off and access to lilac, you wouldn't (and couldn't) say that you "proved" the null hypothesis - no. What you would say is that null hypothesis could not be rejected (disproved).
A null hypothesis is generally taken as "true" when you begin examining data, and, as you progress, you either reject it or you fail to reject it, depending on what the data say.
In our case, my null hypothesis is: "Kevin Ollie is a terrible coach."
If he goes on to do a good job coaching somewhere else, I'll reject the null hypothesis - something else must explain the last 3 years at UConn.
If he goes no to do a lousy job coaching somewhere else, then I will not reject the null hypothesis and it will stand, pending further data/experimentation.

Summary for casual fans: Frank thinks KO is a lousy coach and double dares him to prove it by not sucking at his next stop. Hat tip to CHief.
 
I’m curious about your story in which the bully’s were spitting on the kid who visited his dads grave, what did you do when this occurred? And by no means am I questioning your toughness or manhood at the time it just brings up similar situations I had growing up, some of which I walked away from and others I stood up for the “different” individual. These are tough situations when we are young for varying reasons.
It's really a weird story.
My bus ride was 45 or 50 minutes long. It traversed a rich neighborhood up on the hill, a poorer neighborhood behind the lake, and my middle class neighborhood. It sounds simplistic, but it's how it was.
A couple of kids behind the lake were horrible bullies. They would scream at kids getting on and off the bus with every rude and nasty insult. "Flabby T-ts." "Mole face." "bleacher girl." Relentlessly, every day. They had been held back one or more years, so they were physically bigger than everybody. They had one dude who was on roids and was huge (5/7, 210 pounds ripped kind of frame) as their enforcer. Several of the younger kids behind the lake were conscripted - they were unwilling stooges or they would get beat up. The bus driver looked like a 20 year old Roger Daltry, with hair down to his butt and 5/4ish height.
I was a 145 pound 1st year completely alone.
They pretty much left me alone. Partly because my older sister was considered hot, and partly because I played sports, I suppose.
They used to give people the "treatment," which was code for 4 or 5 of them would pin a kid down and pound on his shoulder until it was bruised.
At some point they got to me. I was tall, so stood up and looked the lead goon in the face and said, "why don't you go pick on Bret? He's your age." Bret was a senior and could handle himself, and was not part of the bully clique. The goon was visibly trying to process the first comment in protest he had ever received, when I saw his eyes change to "fudge-it" and knew he was about to hit me, when condom lips, the hottest girl on the bus, yelled, "yeah Joey, why don't you try that with Bret?"
At which point the goon's brain locked up, he stood there slacked jawed for a minute, then walked away. A small miracle.
Until the next day. Given 24 hours, he came up with a good solution.
One the conscripted lackey's say next to the next day and hit me on the shoulder. I looked at him and said, "hey man, I don't have a problem with you." He said, "yeah, but Joey is going to kick my --s if I don't do this." He hits me again. I say, don't do that again. He does, I hit him in the face, then I got jumped by 6 guys. Bus driver pulled over and yelled and they all went back to their seats.
The next day (and for the next month) I went to school with a pipe taped to my leg. I was left alone until my stop, in 1.5 acre per lot suburbia, with nobody else getting off at my stop, in a day before cell phones, as a lock key kid, knowing I was completely on my own when I stepped off the bus.
I got up to get off the bus, and 6 guys lined up behind me to get off at my stop. I figured I'd try to kill the first guy off the bus, and then find out what happens after here.
Just as I passed the bus driver and started hiking up my pant leg as I was descending the two giant steps, the bus driver stands up and in front of the 6 guys and loudly says, "anybody who wants to get off this bus has to come through me." It was quite an image, that small dude, with his long hair, looking straight up into the vacant eyes of the 6/2 beta bully. They all sat down. That was in March. The rest of the year passed without incident. The following year I had my license and a car, and I almost never rode the bus again.
So what did I do when they spit on that kid? Every day? Not a damn thing, except wonder why he didn't just cross the street to avoid them altogether. I eventually came to understand why he didn't.
 
He needs to be an assistant coach for a while. Maybe with more time, learning, and perspective, he'll discover a desire to be a head coach. I think his heart wasn't fully in it and that was the biggest source of his problems.

Are we just going to continue to ignore the elephant in the room on this one or is it possible that the stuff in his personal life knocked him off course? That's a rhetorical question. Of course it's possible, if not likely. All the writing is right there on the wall.

Clearly he had weaknesses as a coach, independent of that, but one doesn't simply fall from winning the title at 100/1 odds to the biggest tire fire in the country unless there are some serious mitigating circumstances.

Pending the result of the NCAA investigation, he will have no shortage of suitors if he decides to coach again. No, he's not going to get the Arizona job, but there are plenty of A-10 level jobs he could walk right into. People tend to underestimate how many retread coaches who have accomplished considerably less than Ollie continue to find employment.

The question, as you said, is his desire. I'm not sure he wants to be a college coach. My guess is that if he puts in some time as an assistant in the NBA, he'll eventually get a shot there.
 
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