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CL82 said:
Not worried about Gibbs so much, but yeah it likely would be a bad thing if Purvis is sitting at the start of games. Just my guess, though. The rest of your post is kind of pointless, so I won't bother with it.

There's a whole lot of new faces on this team. Building chemistry is key. I trust KO to figure it out.
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Purvis is the key to this I see lol . If he is such a good locker room guy/ team leader he would accept a 6th man role in a heartbeat.

The rest of my post was pointless? I just highlighted a scenerio where purvis wouldn't start in the second part, you know the crux of this whole discussion. keep on with the condescending jabs tho
 
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OkaForPrez said:
@James, what say ye to you the ball handling rotation concerns?
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As you noted you don't sub both adams gibbs out at the same time. And cassell will be involved to give a breather. Let adams run with the second unit , then bring in a gibbs purvis backcourt for long spurts. close games with as many playmakers as you can , as well as enough defensive versatility. I would suggest playing purvis at the 3 in crunch time, but there is a serious need for hamilton/miller/brimah playing then.
 
I'm in the minority here but I feel that Purvis is better off coming off the bench. I dont think that will happen but his skillset makes him better suited off the bench. He does one thing good and thats score (based on last March only mind you). He was a below average in rebounding and assists. He has shown to have trouble handling the basketball but again he did find ways to score. So if you keep that in mind you can see where I'm coming from. Someone who can come in and provide instant offense off the bench.

Adams and Gibbs can both create with the ball which makes them dangeorus when in the game together. I undertsand that Adams is just a freshman and yes it may take a little bit for him to catch up to the speed of the game but theres nothing that shows me his game right now wont translate to college ball.

I'm also baffled by people saying that if Purvis sits it will hurt chemistry of this team. Ollie is going to do whats best for the team not whats best for Purvis. Purvis has shown to be a stand up guy so what makes you think he will cause a distruption if not starting? He will still play a ton of minutes.

@OkaForPrez - Our only two ballhandlers for the 2014 title team were Bazz and Boat so not sure why Gibbs and Adams shouldnt start together. That theory that if your two best players are your ballhandlers then they should never play in the first half together makes absolutley no sense. Your two best players should be on the court as much as possible regardless of what their handle is. You can't coach to protect foul trouble.
 
@James Good point about SamIIAm. Embarrassingly I keep forgetting about him. That negates the point I was going to make to @Candyman34 which is that Tsam was an adequate 3rd ball handler and was absolutely crucial as a change of pace guard in 2014. I really wasn't seeing that 3rd PG option as a safety net but it very well could be SCJ.
 
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We'll see what he looks like when he's covered like a blanket by players that are his physical equal from a top team. About 3 1/2 months?
 
James said:
Purvis is the key to this I see lol . If he is such a good locker room guy/ team leader he would accept a 6th man role in a heartbeat.

The rest of my post was pointless? I just highlighted a scenerio where purvis wouldn't start in the second part, you know the crux of this whole discussion. keep on with the condescending jabs tho
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No offense intended James. If I made up a scenario where Jalen wasn't ready so Purvis had to step up, it would be equally pointless. Let's just have faith in KO and the guys and see where these season goes.

We good?
 
jibsey said:
We'll see what he looks like when he's covered like a blanket by players that are his physical equal from a top team. About 3 1/2 months?
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Exactly, there are a ton of talented high school ballers that are marginalized at the D1 level. The expectations of Jalen are soaring with each post, but the truth is he is a freshman that hasn't touched the court yet. Ollie (along with Hobbs and Moore) will handle him correctly to maximize his talent, but that will take time, even perhaps a full season.

Rodney and Gibbs take a tremendous amount of pressure off of him, which is a good thing. To me his year (i.e. time) will be 2016-2017, when Gibbs leaves. Until then we can enjoy the show and the mistakes without much consequences.
 
Candyman34 said:
I'm in the minority here but I feel that Purvis is better off coming off the bench. I dont think that will happen but his skillset makes him better suited off the bench. He does one thing good and thats score (based on last March only mind you). He was a below average in rebounding and assists. He has shown to have trouble handling the basketball but again he did find ways to score. So if you keep that in mind you can see where I'm coming from. Someone who can come in and provide instant offense off the bench.

Adams and Gibbs can both create with the ball which makes them dangeorus when in the game together. I undertsand that Adams is just a freshman and yes it may take a little bit for him to catch up to the speed of the game but theres nothing that shows me his game right now wont translate to college ball.

I'm also baffled by people saying that if Purvis sits it will hurt chemistry of this team. Ollie is going to do whats best for the team not whats best for Purvis. Purvis has shown to be a stand up guy so what makes you think he will cause a distruption if not starting? He will still play a ton of minutes.

@OkaForPrez - Our only two ballhandlers for the 2014 title team were Bazz and Boat so not sure why Gibbs and Adams shouldnt start together. That theory that if your two best players are your ballhandlers then they should never play in the first half together makes absolutley no sense. Your two best players should be on the court as much as possible regardless of what their handle is. You can't coach to protect foul trouble.
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I don't think you are in the minority at all. A lot of people, myself included, are excited about what Jalen brings to the table. I think he's got a shot at being a really special kid for us. I agree 100% that Ollie will do what's best for the team and not for any one player. We have different guesses as to how it will pan out. We'll see.
 
OkaForPrez said:
...But there is no amount of talent that makes sense to start them both on minute 0.

Hypothetical: Both PG's start and one picks up two cheapies in the first 5 min and has to sit the rest of the half, who is spelling the other and running the offense when the other's typical rest rotation comes up? Purvis? Hamilton? Is the chaos of whoever is running that set worth the risk? Adams can play 25+ min off the bench, staggering with Gibbs.
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I seem to recall we've started two points before.

Ricky & Khalid
Bazz & Kemba
Boat & Bazz
 
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RichZ said:
I seem to recall we've started two points before.

Ricky & Khalid
Bazz & Kemba
Boat & Bazz
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I'm pretty sure Bazz came off the bench in 2011. Jlamb started at the 2 (at least down the stretch) and when Bazz came in Kemba rolled off ball. A lot of it had to do with conserving Kemba's energy and letting him stay in the game. Someone check me on this because I'm going off of memory.

Bazz and Boat had a marginally viable ball handler off the bench in Tsam and not a lot of options otherwise (such as a Purvis). If Purvis was on that team I'm fairly confident Boat would have come off the bench in a similar scenario still playing 25-28 mpg and rolling Bazz to the 2.

My point, prior to the SCJ revelation, was that we really don't have a third ball handler. It also remains to be seen what the drop off from Adams to SCJ is. Maybe we don't want SCJ getting minutes at all and the way to go about doing that is by bringing Adams off the bench.

I don't remember how we handled the Khalid and Ricky and a 3rd guard in the rotation. I know Rash Jones was getting spot minutes on that team and Al Mouring played significant minutes but I don't remember who had the rock if both sat.

If only I had the free time of a pending divorce and there was a website with a complete catalog of Uconn games to review such information I could probably get to the bottom of this.

I'll also add that there are far more examples of talented freshman PG coming off the bench in our history than starting.
 
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@OkaForPrez yes, Bazz came off the bench in 2011. I don't think he started a single game if my memory is correct (which it usually is unless it's something important).

However, I don't agree with your reasoning - you can't bring one ball-handler off the bench simply because you fear foul trouble. Personally, I'd be fine with it if KO put the two foul rule (for guards) away and never re-visited it. The rule should be two fouls for a big, three for a guard, IMO.

If it's a couple fouls in the first few minutes, just roll with Adams or Gibbs until the ten minute mark and then bring the other back in. I don't think it's something we'll have to worry about (granted, I maintained this same position when Napier went to the bench against Nova in 2014, and it worked out for Ollie then).
 
OkaForPrez said:
I don't remember how we handled the Khalid and Ricky and a 3rd guard in the rotation. I know Rash Jones was getting spot minutes on that team and Al Mouring played significant minutes but I don't remember who had the rock if both sat.
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Quite often, it was EJ Harrison. In the 99 NCAA tourney, he didn't score in his 7 or 8 minutes in the pivotal Gonzaga game, but had 2 boards, including a critical offensive board, a couple steals, a couple dimes and no turnovers. I seem to recall he also played a lot and scored in double digits in one of the earlier games that tourney -- can't remember which, maybe Iowa? -- to spell Ricky. Rash mostly played the 2 or 3 that year.
 
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I think the deeper this team proves to be the better chance for the 2 foul rule to go away. I can see why he stays with it since it worked for a guy he's close with. But at times it can really put you in a hole. And let's be honest throwing that "rule" away with a guy like Brimah last year would not have been a good idea.
 
@champs99and04 Not so much fear of foul trouble as a general rhythm thing with a foul management bonus. Let the freshman watch the way the game is being called and the defense is playing from the bench before you bring him in to run the point. Presumably Gibbs goes to the 2 when they are both on the floor. Adams off the bench gives the other team 1 look and then as soon as they are starting to get comfortable with it you switch to a different look.
 
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OkaForPrez said:
@champs99and04 Not so much fear of foul trouble as a general rhythm thing with a foul management bonus. Let the freshman watch the way the game is being called and the defense is playing from the bench before you bring him in to run the point. Presumably Gibbs goes to the 2 when they are both on the floor. Adams off the bench gives the other team 1 look and then as soon as they are starting to get comfortable with it you switch to a different look.
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OK, yeah, I agree. Unless Adams is Kyrie Irving, he'll come off the bench. The question will be who plays crunch-time.
 
mauconnfan said:
. . . 2 foul rule . . . But at times it can really put you in a hole . . .
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Mau - we gotta disagree on this one.
If there is one guy in the history of UConn that could play under control, with fouls, it was Okafor. JC pulled him w/2 fouls EARLY in that Duke semi. We end up winning based on the strength of Okafor's 2 foul rule sit down. If it was good enough for Okafor, it's good enough for Brimah, who will never have the body control and discipline of Oak.
Theory is that you'd rather have your guy available down the stretch.
I know I'm in the minority, but I really like the rule, and I hope Ollie sticks with it.
 
adams loves the camera lol... i think he's going to be better defensively than offensively earlier on in the season... his offense will come and with this team, hopefully, he can slowly develop his game
 
TasteofUConn said:
Mau - we gotta disagree on this one.
If there is one guy in the history of UConn that could play under control, with fouls, it was Okafor. JC pulled him w/2 fouls EARLY in that Duke semi. We end up winning based on the strength of Okafor's 2 foul rule sit down. If it was good enough for Okafor, it's good enough for Brimah, who will never have the body control and discipline of Oak.
Theory is that you'd rather have your guy available down the stretch.
I know I'm in the minority, but I really like the rule, and I hope Ollie sticks with it.
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I agree I have never been against it and had faith in JC with it. All good here.
 
Leebo said:
He uses his left hand a bunch of times in the video...
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Not to finish. Not even on the left side of the bucket. I've actually had the same observation in just about every video I've seen of him.

Not that I think it's anything to worry about - I haven't seen nearly enough of the kid to have any sense of whether or not he's got a left hand.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Not to finish. Not even on the left side of the bucket. I've actually had the same observation in just about every video I've seen of him.

Not that I think it's anything to worry about - I haven't seen nearly enough of the kid to have any sense of whether or not he's got a left hand.
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he's very right dominant, its obvious how strong he is with that hand getting in the lane and finishing with a wide variety of double pumps + reverses. The kid will need massive skill work and is why I dont really think he is a 1&done material. His left hand is important in pickn roll play as well as not forcing himself into trouble and turning the ball over a ton ( which he will do, freshman rarely play at multiple speeds... thats for pros).

I see his impact next season as an explosive semi transition -- transition player who will create offense out of nothing, effortlessly at times. And it will be instant. However in the halfcourt its gonna be tough for him attack d1 defenses the way he did in prep, he needs time in the film room and experience. similar to walker playing like a ferrari in 09. As the season goes on he will become remarkably better i believe, quickly (as far as half court execution).

All that said still like him as the kid with highest pro upside on the squad. But I would like to make it clear to other posters that he will have major downfalls, for instance defense. could go both ways on that end. He might have more defensive talent than any of us are aware of, couldn't gauge it vs nepsac comp.
 
http://www.coxhub.com/articles/jale...19493783&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

nicely done by NERR most likely finkelstein . New highlights in there , heres a nice quote--

Along the way we've come to use a variety of catch-phrases to describe Adams' game. Whether it's been to call his game "effortless" or to say "the game comes easy to him," the bottom line was that Adams had some natural abilities that simply couldn't be taught, and that virtually no one else could duplicate.
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