j im Calhoun Sounds Like He's Nearing Retirement

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

More like Pee Wee Herman vs. Erkle.

LOL

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Or maybe not.

Is Jiffy Pop still made or are you posting from 1965?

My friend was one of the original marketers of Jiffy Pop so I have some sentimental attachment to the product. I met 1 of the lawyers in the Jiffy Pop Patent infrigement case years ago. The self contained popping pan and Jiffy Pop can still be purchased. Very delicious popcorn!! Enjoy with a smile!

 

[nomar]

If UConn under Coach Ollie spends the next 3 seasons in the NIT or worse, Calhoun's legacy will be one of just another coach who didn't know when to quit. And that would be very sad.

When you were typing it, did you realize how stupid this sentence was? Or did you enter into some sort of fugue state and randomly hit keys that somehow ended up forming a sentence suggesting that Calhoun's legacy will be something other than turning a bottom-dwelling program into a national powerhouse and winning 3 national titles.

 

[mets1090]

My friend was one of the original marketers of Jiffy Pop so I have some sentimental attachment to the product. I met 1 of the lawyers in the Jiffy Pop Patent infrigement case years ago. The self contained popping pan and Jiffy Pop can still be purchased. Very delicious popcorn!! Enjoy with a smile!

Not entirely sure why but this post made me laugh.

I believe we frown upon product advertising on the boneyard though. You should talk to Tom and see if you can work out some sort of fee for this post.

 

[Waquoit]

The APR and Miles fiasco was the desire of the previous AD and the current president of the NCAA to get back at JC - nothing more, nothing less.

Bullsh!t.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Not entirely sure why but this post made me laugh.

I believe we frown upon product advertising on the boneyard though. You should talk to Tom and see if you can work out some sort of fee for this post.

Its because popcorn is a delicious comfort food that has the potential to... in Jiffy Pops case bring back some incredible childhood memories. In my case my hot babysitter when I was debating with my parents on whether or not I should still have a babysitter used to Pop the Jiffy Pop. I will always remember her daisy dukes almost as much as the pop corn. Thats how good the Jiffy Pop was!!

 

[ctchamps]

Fishy VS. Fleudslip...

Its like Frazier vs ALI or ALI vs Frazier!!

Pass the Jiffy POP!!! LOL

There aren't too many people I admire more in this forum than Fishy. So I said what I needed to say which is that I have a slightly different perspective on this matter than that expressed by Fishy. No going head to head with him. It would be Frazier vs. a toddler and I would be the toddler.

Technically I agree with him. No one person is a program. But only a dozen or so people have matched or exceeded what JC has contributed to a program. So that obviously makes him special. But more than the winning and success and the elevating the status of the program to an elite level, the man has shown a sense of loyalty that is rare in this day and age of bailing to $$$. I'm not against people doing that. It's a personal decision. I just admire those guys who chose something besides the almighty dollar or in addition to the $$$.

JC isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But his flaws are obvious. He doesn't hide behind a false persona. There are times when it would serve him well to put on the "false face" and play to public opinion. But I suspect he finds people of that nature to be phony and he probably despises that approach to life. And I suspect he has had run ins with those type of people and has grossly misjudged how these people would get back at him. JC is an old school duel to the death type of guy. The guys like Emmert will wait until they have leverage and use the power of numbers or institutions to deal you the blow. So his antagonism to people has come back to bite him and hurt the program he has so painstakingly nurtured. But it probably won't be a lethal blow.

The more difficult problem will be to try an get an individual to replace him and have the type of success that the majority of opinion believes keeps UConn at the elite status. Unfortunately getting someone to accomplish this is highly unpredictable. For all the arguments made about who fits the bill, there is no guarantee that any idea is more likely to succeed than another. Personally I think there will need to be an element of luck with whoever follows JC.

And part of JC's indecision, imo, is his uncertainty as to whether someone can keep the program going. There are certainly successful people out there who claim they want things to continue after they leave but deep down hope to see things break down after they leave so their legacies won't be challenged. I don't get this impression at all from JC. He certainly enjoys his success, but arrogance and ego are not his strong suit. So imo, he is afraid of what will happen after he leaves as much as he is troubled by ending his career. In other words he has the same fears that many of us posters have about the uncertainty the program will go through after his departure. And I believe that is the single greatest reason he is waffling.

 

[ctchamps]

Bullsh!t.

Explain UNC to me then. Explain why the the APR was enacted and then went to prior years as opposed to beginning with the time of enactment. Explain to me why schools aren't audited about the accuracy of course fulfillment. Why doesn't the NCAA do surprise audits? Do you think UNC is an single entity, an aberration or far more common than we suspect? How can we know these things when the institutions are handling their own oversight.

And you and I will have to continue to agree to disagree regarding Jeff Hathaway and his handling of the Nate Miles affair.

 

[metsfan2323]

1) Jim Calhoun is not the UConn basketball program and it's wrongheaded to think he is. The Packers played football after Lombardi and UConn will play basketball after Calhoun - no coach is bigger than their program and that is an absolute.

2) He's waffled. He's waffled a lot and for a long, long time. It's time to stop.

There's no wrong decision here - whatever he does, it's good.

If Calhoun commits to coaching this year, we're happy.

If Calhoun retires, we're happy for him and can start looking ahead while also trying to find s*** to name after him and places to put his statue.

Just enough dicking around.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't he have screws in his hip? Maybe he needs two more weeks to determine if he will be healthy enough to coach the way he needs to coach.

I also think he has earned the right to name his replacement. Very few coaches ever earn that, but he has.

 

[61cygni]

Put me in the "Coach has earned the right to retire however he wants" camp. I've never seen the program without Calhoun at the helm, so I lack the perspective most of you probably have, but to me, Calhoun is the program. I don't know what it will be like without him, and I'd rather that time came later rather than sooner.

 

[diggerfoot]

the man earns all the time he wants. I wonder if this is his way to get ollie as coach

It could be he's angling for Ollie. It could also be there is inner turmoil in determining what he should do and what he really wants to do. Perhaps there are no ulterior motives of any kind, just a man struggling with a tough decision to make regarding something that has defined his life.

 

[partial]

Like i said before i love JC but he hasn't earned the right to have me not question anything he does. Given what he has accomplished no one is going to stop him from playing this exactly as he wants. However, he has left it so open ended he might as well say that he's not sure if he's going to coach in between time outs, and i am not sure how so many people can be content with him seemingly refusing to make any commitment and refusing to set a particular time to make a commitment.

 

[businesslawyer]

[quote="dapriest, post: 321448, member: 2711"Do you have so little faith that you think JC would, through caprice and/or indecision and/or selfishness damage the program?[/quote]

Calhoun has earned the right to go out on whatever terms he wants with my undying respect. But, having said that, as to your quote, not because of caprice or indecision or selfishness. But do really successful people harm the entities they built and grew due to ego? All the time.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

[quote="dapriest, post: 321448, member: 2711"Do you have so little faith that you think JC would, through caprice and/or indecision and/or selfishness damage the program?

Calhoun has earned the right to go out on whatever terms he wants with my undying respect. But, having said that, as to your quote, not because of caprice or indecision or selfishness. But do really successful people harm the entities they built and grew due to ego? All the time.[/quote]

Paterno.

 

[freescooter]

The APR and Miles fiasco was the desire of the previous AD and the current president of the NCAA to get back at JC - nothing more, nothing less.

Oh please...this is just foolishness...nothing more, nothing less.

As to your other point, I do like Calhoun. a lot. Great basketball coach. good guy. The way he is handling this is awful, though.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Calhoun has definitely earned the right to leave how he wants, and to name his chosen successor. He built the program.
For those who're griping about how long its taking, imagine yourself in his position. Once he retires, what else is there?
"Relaxing" and Jim Calhoun don't seem to fit well together.
If anyone is the epitome of a hard-driven HC it's Jim Calhoun, and those 3 NC's have earned him this small measure of indecision.
UConn and its fans should willingly give him that. JMHO

 

[metsfan2323]

Oh please...this is just foolishness...nothing more, nothing less.

As to your other point, I do like Calhoun. a lot. Great basketball coach. good guy. The way he is handling this is awful, though.

Please stop. You make it sound like the program has been in a long decline because of Calhoun, news flash it has not been. Over the last 4 years we have had two final fours and one Championship. We have had several lottery picks. If the NCAA didn't go out of its way to screw us over we would have had another shot at a top 10 team this year. The team is not in decline.

Fan support has declined alot but that is not Jim Calhoun's fault. Blame a spoiled fan base, bad economy, and the rise of the football team for that (some now choose to spend their entertainment budget on football games) Fan support and only fan support has declined. The Women's team is all the evidence anybody needs for that. That program is the absolute best in the country, they are the Alabama of Women's hoops and their support has declined significantly. Maybe Geno needs to step aside too so Warde can bring in his guy/gal.

 

[EricLA]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't he have screws in his hip? Maybe he needs two more weeks to determine if he will be healthy enough to coach the way he needs to coach.

I also think he has earned the right to name his replacement. Very few coaches ever earn that, but he has.

Couldn't disagree more with that sentiment. JC certainly has the right to make his opinion known and lobby for whoever he wants (Obviously Ollie in this case), but he's not in charge of the Athletic Program. His opinion should carry weight (a lot of weight) but to make that decision without a nationwide search is just foolish. The university should explore ALL options once the HOF coach steps down.

Now, should JC decide to hang em up at any time during the season, it will be virtually impossible to find a replacement from any other university, so the team would most likely name Ollie as the interim HC and give him a chance to see how he does. At the end of the season, the administration can conduct the search and see who is best for the job. The problem people have with Ollie is that he has literally zero HC experience and literally has only been an assistant for 2 years.

I want the guy as the HC. I think he could do the job and do it well. But IMHO it would be a mistake to just name the guy because it's what JC wants. Bottom line is that Warde has said point blank that NO ONE will be named the HC in waiting. Period. Not gonna happen.

So I totally get if people disagree with that - some obviously will and some won't - but all the hand-wringing in the world on the BY won't change Warde's mind...

And for the record, I think Ollie will be a very good HC when the time comes. He's already a terrific recruiter, and the word from the guards he's worked with the past 2 years, he's a terrific coach for them. I don't mean to detract from how a coach can maneuver thru a game, but most of the time, what is done during recruiting and practices is more important than the "in-game" adjustments made by a brilliant HC. Heck, we all know JC is stubborn and prefers to "impose his team's will" on the other team as the M.O. for winning. I'm not saying Ollie would be a better game-time coach, but perhaps he'd be more flexible...

 

[PacificStorm]

All this unnecessary brouhaha over who is going to replace Coach Calhoun is wasted talk. The AD is smart enough not to go against an INSTITUTION like Calhoun, and able administrator like Herbst who loves Calhoun, and, last but not least, a huge fan base who loves Ollie as successor. It will gonna be Ollie, that's for sure. Manuel is hedging big-time just to show he is the boss of Calhoun and not the other way around. It is more than hedging. It is a macho thing.One of the critical questions that Manuel handled with aplomb during his interview process was how he would handle the successor dilemma. Apparently, Herbst liked his answer. And Herbst loves Calhoun. Case closed.

When Herbst and Ollie clearly hinted at Facey during his recruitment visit while Manuel was in London watching the Olympics that there is nothing to worry about the man in charge or the coach successor, that's a clear signal to us that Shaka, as young and good as he is, or any body else for that matter, has a zero chance at being in the equation. It's either Calhoun, Ollie or the combination of both in the next two years. One hundred percent. Manuel will be silly to go against that. He won't. The real question is when will Calhoun retire. A two-year is a two-year contract; it is what it is. Chances are, it may happen. There is no question whatsoever about who is going to replace him. So Shaka supporters, will you please stop dreaming.

 

[ctchamps]

As to your other point, I do like Calhoun. a lot. Great basketball coach. good guy. The way he is handling this is awful, though.

I guess I struggle to believe this because you have almost continuously chosen to post when something went wrong in the men's bb program and were absent or non contributory when things went well. Certainly some people are prone to only negative commentary and avoid complementing but I've read posts you've made on the football forums and have observed that this is not your nature.

In the same way you are judging JC's actions as detrimental to the program I guess I'm doing the same with you. The complement feels vacant with your body of work.

 

[ctchamps]

Did Ginger make you 1 to many Pina Colada's on the island?!

The gap was also because the dog of 15 1/2 years decided to retire from life. I've had other pets lost. This one was the hardest. Too much pain to offer advice or help to others. Still hurting actually, which is why I'm a little snarky.

 

[freescooter]

so tell me this all you Ollieheads? How long do you give him to show he can do the job? And what would be considered an acceptable performance? Assume for the moment that he gets named "interim" coach this year and finishes say a couple of games over .500 and 8-10 Big East. given the defections and all, is that good, bad, enough to get him the full time gig? Let's say he gets the job. What does he have to do in 2014? Make the tourney? Make a tourney run? If he has Josh Pastner like numbers after 3 seasons, NIT, NCAA 2nd round, NCAA 2nd round is that ok? Sean Miller numbers: No post season, elite 8, no post season. How about if he is another Herb Sendek...5 consecutive NCAAs but only 1 sweet 16? Is that acceptable? Personally I say no, but I'm curious about what people's expectations are for the next coach.

 

[ctchamps]

so tell me this all you Ollieheads? How long do you give him to show he can do the job? And what would be considered an acceptable performance? Assume for the moment that he gets named "interim" coach this year and finishes say a couple of games over .500 and 8-10 Big East. given the defections and all, is that good, bad, enough to get him the full time gig? Let's say he gets the job. What does he have to do in 2014? Make the tourney? Make a tourney run? If he has Josh Pastner like numbers after 3 seasons, NIT, NCAA 2nd round, NCAA 2nd round is that ok? Sean Miller numbers: No post season, elite 8, no post season. How about if he is another Herb Sendek...5 consecutive NCAAs but only 1 sweet 16? Is that acceptable? Personally I say no, but I'm curious about what people's expectations are for the next coach.

Fair points. But you are intellectualizing an emotional issue. No matter who becomes the next coach there will be a wide range of acceptability and disapproval because of the diversity of the expectations amongst the vast fan base and because that coach (or coaches) will always be measured against one of the most successful coaches in his genre. The only way that coach will be universally accepted is to win NC quickly and frequently.

The question you are asking is similar to someone asking which way they prefer their hamburger cooked, raw, medium or well done. The problem is they prefer steak and they got it cooked to perfection with JC and now have to settle for hamburger. It probably won't make any difference how it is cooked unless the person believes it is steak.

 

[ctchamps]

[quote="dapriest, post: 321448, member: 2711"Do you have so little faith that you think JC would, through caprice and/or indecision and/or selfishness damage the program?

Calhoun has earned the right to go out on whatever terms he wants with my undying respect. But, having said that, as to your quote, not because of caprice or indecision or selfishness. But do really successful people harm the entities they built and grew due to ego? All the time.[/quote]
Exactly. The big question is whether JC fits the mold of hoping to protect his legacy by sabotaging things for his successor. For all his faults, and he has many, this is one trait that I don't subscribe to his personality. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

The gap was also because the dog of 15 1/2 years decided to retire from life. I've had other pets lost. This one was the hardest. Too much pain to offer advice or help to others. Still hurting actually, which is why I'm a little snarky.

I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my dog on March 13 of this year also (he was a rescue from a NYC shelter and passed at 15 1/2 yrs old). Truly devastated and still am. It is interesting that we share such a common bond!