J. Adams under Ollie & Hurley

[blackbird]

it Happened every year of his career.

Ollie starts him out at the two, he doesn’t play well, injures put him back at the 1. He plays well.

He’s not a 2. He’s a scoring point guard.

Playing him there just exposes his weaknesses (hitting open jump shots), and negates his positives (playmaking).

He is a better player with the ball in his hands.

 

[Huskybass]

Rico and Blackbird, nice analysis. Makes sense. The problem is Al is so small for a 2 guard, so it would be tough to swap positions.

 

[Psolo12]

Rico and Blackbird, nice analysis. Makes sense. The problem is Al is so small for a 2 guard, so it would be tough to swap positions.

Would the only option then be playing them at different times?

 

[pj]

Rico and Blackbird, nice analysis. Makes sense. The problem is Al is so small for a 2 guard, so it would be tough to swap positions.

I don't get the size issue. Defensively they can swap and AG defend the opposing point guard. Offensively Jalen could be the PG and Al the SG.

That said, I'm not convinced this is the key problem. These two guards should be flexible in their roles, playing the PG or SG role situationally. It's a serious failure of Jalen if he can only play one style of play.

 

[Husky68]

I don't get the size issue. Defensively they can swap and AG defend the opposing point guard. Offensively Jalen could be the PG and Al the SG.

That said, I'm not convinced this is the key problem. This two guards should be flexible in their roles, playing the PG or SG role situationally. It's a serious failure of Jalen if he can only play one style of play.

I agree. Jalen is Bazz and Alterique is Boat. Bazz ran the point early and often but there were plenty of times they switched roles on offense. Remember the time in the Kentucky game where Bazz pushed Boat out of the way 'cause he was running the play and Boat needed to switch out rather than come to the ball.

Start Jalen handling the ball, wear him out early and often doing it, then let Gilbert take over a bit and then each take time leading the team as fouls, game success and other factors play in.

Jalen is not Rashed or Ben or Lamb. It would be better to put CV at the 2 and bring Gilbert off the bench than run it as we are.

 

[Hankster]

Can he?

I agree on that question. Honestly a couple of years ago he did take it to the hoop and score. However, maybe just ,e but I think he gets crushed going to the hole. Crushed or get's his pocket picked. Although this topic is about Jalen, Gilbert should be included. Both of them get their pockets picked. Nova game Jalen got trapped, three players. Instead of calling a timeout, he fought them and one player just took the ball from and score. Turnover and 2 points. Not good showings from STAR guards. Only difference is Gilbert will come through with a timely three.

 

[mauconnfan]

No excuses for Jalens play, 1 or 2 it doesn't really matter in this offense it's wide open. You make the plays if you have the chance, they use the picks and either make a move or hand it off to another guard who has that same opportunity. The guy is a TO machine, careless with the ball this year. With Gilbert he's handling it less and turning it over at a higher rate so this is not the guy I want with the ball in his hands more, no way. I do want the guy who had his head screwed on right more often on teams who stunk but maybe that's the issue? He just was more comfortable on a team with less expectations in which he was the man. And please just a couple times a game get a little closer to your guy on D and pretend.

Whatever it is he needs to find his game I could care less if he's the 1 or 2 just make plays and be smarter with the ball. Obviously we need him to be that guy or 9-9 will be our season in the league.

 

[notthestuff]

There is way to much worry here about who's bringing the ball across half court. Antoine Anderson was the guy bringing it up and initiating the offense most of the time last year. They'd run Jalen off a few screens and get him the ball off a little motion then he'd go one on one which is exactly what they are running for him this year. This way he doesn't have to attack a stationary defense and can get his man off balance and out of position or force a switch and a mismatch before he gets the ball. The problem is his decision making once he has the ball. He's still getting the vast majority of possessions. He's just making worse decisions for whatever reason.

On the whole though other than turnovers this is still his most efficient year scoring wise. It just looks worse because he's had a couple of bad games in big spots. He's had games like this every year though. His strength is driving right and his counter is a mid range pull-up. When a good team stops him from driving and he's not hitting from mid range its going to look bad because he doesn't find other ways to score. He doesn't hit threes and he never gets to the foul line both of which would cover up low percentage shooting days. He's not perfect and is a victim of high expectations because of those who came before him. He's just not those guys and isn't going to suddenly become them but he will still be the team's leading scorer and one of the best players in the conference.

 

[evmore]

Way too many times in the past years the team would always fall behind by a lot and then make a furious comeback. The hallmarks with him and this team in prior years was inconsistency. Sadly, he looks worse to me than before. He either looks like he is ready to break out into laughter or tears. Hope for everyone's sake including himself he can pull it together for the league schedule.

Lets not deceive ourselves, Jalen has obvious holes that separate him from the Kemba's & Shabazz' of the world.. The inconsistent shooting is clear, as are his turnovers. Year to year there has not been a progressive improvement. It isn't a shame or anything like that, he will still have a career in basketball, but coming out as a 5 star player we expected so much more... That is on us, not him. We believed the hype and highlight reel to be truth and set expectations based off of those things. When you actually watch him play you can clearly see that there is a difference between his highlight reel and his game through 48 minutes. He is a freak athlete, has an insane ability to drive right, plays great transition Defense with 'Top10 plays' blocks regularly, but he isn't Kemba Walker or Shabazz Napier. We need to stop wishing he were.

 

[CL82]

I agree. Jalen is Bazz and Alterique is Boat. Bazz ran the point early and often but there were plenty of times they switched roles on offense. Remember the time in the Kentucky game where Bazz pushed Boat out of the way 'cause he was running the play and Boat needed to switch out rather than come to the ball.

Start Jalen handling the ball, wear him out early and often doing it, then let Gilbert take over a bit and then each take time leading the team as fouls, game success and other factors play in.

Jalen is not Rashed or Ben or Lamb. It would be better to put CV at the 2 and bring Gilbert off the bench than run it as we are.

Jalen is not Bazz by any stretch of the imagination. Bazz was a better leader and his range started at the gym door.

 

[superjohn]

No excuses for Jalens play, 1 or 2 it doesn't really matter in this offense it's wide open. You make the plays if you have the chance, they use the picks and either make a move or hand it off to another guard who has that same opportunity. The guy is a TO machine, careless with the ball this year. With Gilbert he's handling it less and turning it over at a higher rate so this is not the guy I want with the ball in his hands more, no way. I do want the guy who had his head screwed on right more often on teams who stunk but maybe that's the issue? He just was more comfortable on a team with less expectations in which he was the man. And please just a couple times a game get a little closer to your guy on D and pretend.

Whatever it is he needs to find his game I could care less if he's the 1 or 2 just make plays and be smarter with the ball. Obviously we need him to be that guy or 9-9 will be our season in the league.

Agreed. A lot of excuses are being made and some are pretending Jalen doesn't have the ball in his hands to create. Jalen always has the ball in his hands, Hurley has said over and over he wants Jalen to be selfish, shoot 30 shots, take over, have a Jimmer type senior year etc. Jalen has been given the keys to take over and to dominate games and he has failed to do so over and over. It's on Jalen.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Jalen's difficulty playing within Hurley's system is a headache now, but bodes well for the team's future.

Unlike the last two years where team's success was riding on the iso game of Jalen, he's forced to play more team ball. The returnees for next year will be better poised for life w/o Jalen and mesh more smoothly with our '19 class.

 

[selles]

There is way to much worry here about who's bringing the ball across half court. Antoine Anderson was the guy bringing it up and initiating the offense most of the time last year. They'd run Jalen off a few screens and get him the ball off a little motion then he'd go one on one which is exactly what they are running for him this year. This way he doesn't have to attack a stationary defense and can get his man off balance and out of position or force a switch and a mismatch before he gets the ball. The problem is his decision making once he has the ball. He's still getting the vast majority of possessions. He's just making worse decisions for whatever reason.

On the whole though other than turnovers this is still his most efficient year scoring wise. It just looks worse because he's had a couple of bad games in big spots. He's had games like this every year though. His strength is driving right and his counter is a mid range pull-up. When a good team stops him from driving and he's not hitting from mid range its going to look bad because he doesn't find other ways to score. He doesn't hit threes and he never gets to the foul line both of which would cover up low percentage shooting days. He's not perfect and is a victim of high expectations because of those who came before him. He's just not those guys and isn't going to suddenly become them but he will still be the team's leading scorer and one of the best players in the conference.

Thank you, I think you're exactly right. What we're seeing from Jalen this year is basically the same thing we've seen every other year.

People in this thread are remembering a few games against the Tulanes and ECUs of the world where he put us on his back and entirely forgetting the rest of his body of work.

He hasn't made the leap, and that's disappointing, but he hasn't regressed either.

 

[WhiteDressWes]

I'm trying to find time to watch last year's Oregon and MSU games, when Jalen and Al are playing together. Might be some clues about fixing our current problems.

 

[freescooter]

Time to move on and work with Viral and Gilbert as the primary guards. They aren’t unbelievable but at least they make an effort. And I think Gilbert might have a pretty high upside. It will take a year to get his game fully back

 

[blackbird]

Agreed. A lot of excuses are being made and some are pretending Jalen doesn't have the ball in his hands to create. Jalen always has the ball in his hands, Hurley has said over and over he wants Jalen to be selfish, shoot 30 shots, take over, have a Jimmer type senior year etc. Jalen has been given the keys to take over and to dominate games and he has failed to do so over and over. It's on Jalen.

That was also my point though.

Jalen doesn’t take over unless forced. Never has.

That’s a between the ears thing. And an unselfish player is not necessarily a bad thing, but if that is what it is..then at least put him in a position where he can play make...instead of making his role to clank jump shots. Granted, I’m not sure if it’s an unselfish player thing or a “just wants to be liked” thing.

It’s unfortunate that he didn’t become what he could have. Some of that is certainly on him. Some of it was just the nature of his personality. (He’s not a “killer”), but some of it is on Uconn. The Uconn coaching staff has repeatedly failed the kid, and I’m not sure the current staff has enough time to fix it.

People sometimes make this a Gil vs Jalen thing. Gil hasn’t been anything to write home about either. (With his own, perfectly valid reasons). And certainly doesn’t garner the attention Jalen gets on defense.

 

[mauconnfan]

That was also my point though.

Jalen doesn’t take over unless forced. Never has.

That’s a between the ears thing. And an unselfish player is not necessarily a bad thing, but if that is what it is..then at least put him in a position where he can play make...instead of making his role to clank jump shots. Granted, I’m not sure if it’s an unselfish player thing or a “just wants to be liked” thing.

It’s unfortunate that he didn’t become what he could have. Some of that is certainly on him. Some of it was just the nature of his personality. (He’s not a “killer”), but some of it is on Uconn. The Uconn coaching staff has repeatedly failed the kid, and I’m not sure the current staff has enough time to fix it.

People sometimes make this a Gil vs Jalen thing. Gil hasn’t been anything to write home about either. (With his own, perfectly valid reasons). And certainly doesn’t garner the attention Jalen gets on defense.

Explain to me how the coaching staff failed Jalen? Did they fail Bazz, Boat?

Jalen is failing Jalen and his teammates.

 

[AdamaNation]

Rico and Blackbird, nice analysis. Makes sense. The problem is Al is so small for a 2 guard, so it would be tough to swap positions.

Boat?

 

[CL82]

Explain to me how the coaching staff failed Jalen? Did they fail Bazz, Boat?

Jalen is failing Jalen and his teammates.

Boat and Bazz developed under Calhoun.

 

[mauconnfan]

Boat and Bazz developed under Calhoun.

Ok but they got better under KO. Bazz has a better freshman year than sophomore under JC. Do not deny he became the leader we needed under KO as did Boat who didn’t have a very good freshman year under JC.

 

[mauconnfan]

Ok but they got better under KO. Bazz has a better freshman year than sophomore under JC. Do not deny he became the leader we needed under KO as did Boat who didn’t have a very good freshman year under JC.

This by no means questions their coaching but just proves Jalen is his own enemy.

 

[InKembaITrust]

Jalen simply can't pull up for threes off the dribble like Bazz could. His game would DRASTICALLY improve if he polished his hideous looking three point shot.

I remember Kemba's three point shot improved significantly from soph - junior year. Why can't Jalen improve his half way through his senior year? Easy to assume his and Kemba's work ethics are night and day.

I can't remember a star UConn player with a three point shot as ugly as Jalens...

 

[CTBasketball]

Jalen simply can't pull up for threes off the dribble like Bazz could. His game would DRASTICALLY improve if he polished his hideous looking three point shot.

I remember Kemba's three point shot improved significantly from soph - junior year. Why can't Jalen improve his half way through his senior year? Easy to assume his and Kemba's work ethics are night and day.

I can't remember a star UConn player with a three point shot as ugly as Jalens...

Kemba, Bazz, and Boat all lived in the gym.

 

[CL82]

Ok but they got better under KO. Bazz has a better freshman year than sophomore under JC. Do not deny he became the leader we needed under KO as did Boat who didn’t have a very good freshman year under JC.

Bazz struggled to figure out how to lead in his Soph season. That process, including JC's coaching bore fruit his junior and senior seasons.

I've said this before Mau, and it is speculation on my part though there is anecdotal evidence to support it, I think KO's biggest weakness is that he expected his players to act like pro's and do things they needed to do to develop. I think he was frustrated that they didn't. No one held KO's hand as he went from contract to contract, he just got it done.

Again speculation on my part as I try to figure out what went so wrong after such a great start.

 

[jibsey]

Jalen simply can't pull up for threes off the dribble like Bazz could. His game would DRASTICALLY improve if he polished his hideous looking three point shot.

I remember Kemba's three point shot improved significantly from soph - junior year. Why can't Jalen improve his half way through his senior year? Easy to assume his and Kemba's work ethics are night and day.

I can't remember a star UConn player with a three point shot as ugly as Jalens...

This has been it in a nutshell. I question the work he put into it but you could also ask what the coaching staff did to help him. The other possibility is that both he and the staff worked on his shooting and it just didn’t happen. I mean I could be instructed and practice painting portraits from now till eternity and I will never be good at it. Jalen might not possess that shot no matter what.

 

[CL82]

This has been it in a nutshell. I question the work he put into it but you could also ask what the coaching staff did to help him. The other possibility is that both he and the staff worked on his shooting and it just didn’t happen. I mean I could be instructed and practice painting portraits from now till eternity and I will never be good at it. Jalen might not possess that shot no matter what.

File this under almost sort of barely related:

My father-in-law decided in his late 60's to take up painting, and not landscapes but portraits. He never had a lesson or any experience. He just buys some canvas, brushes and oil paints goes down into the basement and paints a stunning portrait of mother-in-law without a sitting or using a picture. Just a really lovingly beautiful portrayal of her. If I had tried to do that it have would out come more like this:

And the thing is his version is perfectly accurate, but enhanced, like the dream version of her. You know that is just how he sees her. He's painted other portraits since then and they are very good, but none quite as nice as his portrait of her.

 

[casual-yardin]

Bazz struggled to figure out how to lead in his Soph season. That process, including JC's coaching bore fruit his junior and senior seasons.

I've said this before Mau, and it is speculation on my part though there is anecdotal evidence to support it, I think KO's biggest weakness is that he expected his players to act like pro's and do things they needed to do to develop. I think he was frustrated that they didn't. No one held KO's hand as he went from contract to contract, he just got it done.

Again speculation on my part as I try to figure out what went so wrong after such a great start.

I'm not sure if it was you but someone else mentioned this same type of thing in a thread several months ago. It's something that I also believe was an issue with his mindset. / approach.

 

[Waquoit]

I've said this before Mau, and it is speculation on my part though there is anecdotal evidence to support it, I think KO's biggest weakness is that he expected his players to act like pro's and do things they needed to do to develop. I think he was frustrated that they didn't. No one held KO's hand as he went from contract to contract, he just got it done.

That's quite an indictment. Ollie was frustrated because he actually needed to coach his players? As if he was fully formed when he came to Storrs. JC didn't need to coach him at all and his staff never gave him guidance to aid his improvement?

 

[jayteeman]

Let's pull back and take a look at the difference the past few years vs this year
JA was the person who had the ball in his hands 70% of the time in past few years - he was essentially the PG
This year he is not the PG, he is the 2
If you haven't played either position you can't understand the difference
To say KO tainted his development, IMHO, is crap. KO developed him as the 1, not the 2
JA had some absolutely amazing games the past 2 years and if memory serves me correctly, he was 1st team AAC and 2nd team AAC the past two years - if tainted then I'll take that everyday
Yes, JA is not the JA we have seen in the past BUT that is due, to a large percentage, he is adjusting his role and position. JA has always been a PG, in HS, AAU, international comp and in his UConn career prior to this year
I know many will disagree but I think he is most effective when he is running the show.
He could have been more assertive today and in a few other games this year but I don't think he deserves all the comments saying he sucks, etc.
Can he be better? yes

100% agree with this.

You also need to throw in the defensive intensity that has been turned up a few notches which has it's own side effects, and at times playing with 3 other guards on the court which can really effect your traditional positioning on the court and shot/pass selection. It is night and day transition from his previous years and he is really the only one who's career has spanned it as "the man".

Just have to hope the adjustments work out and he gets back to being comfortable with his role, whatever it is.

 

[ctchamps]

Lets not deceive ourselves, Jalen has obvious holes that separate him from the Kemba's & Shabazz' of the world.. The inconsistent shooting is clear, as are his turnovers. Year to year there has not been a progressive improvement. It isn't a shame or anything like that, he will still have a career in basketball, but coming out as a 5 star player we expected so much more... That is on us, not him. We believed the hype and highlight reel to be truth and set expectations based off of those things. When you actually watch him play you can clearly see that there is a difference between his highlight reel and his game through 48 minutes. He is a freak athlete, has an insane ability to drive right, plays great transition Defense with 'Top10 plays' blocks regularly, but he isn't Kemba Walker or Shabazz Napier. We need to stop wishing he were.

For the most part I agree with this. I don't agree he plays great transition defense. It's good with some high lights.

The major issue is your accusation that posters in The Boneyard can be wrong. It's why you haven't received likes for an otherwise sensible post. We are a bunch of opinionated morons that can find fault in others but never in ourselves.