OT: It's Done. The ACC votes to accept Stanford, Cal and SMU. (Merged)

[Bigboote]

You know things are bad when Pitino is making the most sense.

 

[Centerstream]

They bring in a huge television audience from the Dallas and surrounding areas. Also, they are foregoing their tv money. Their boosters have very deep pockets. My question is why a conference that prides itself on academics and ethics would bring in a school that has been heavily penalized twice and one of them being the so called "death penalty."

You answered your own question

 

[sun]

This CBS Sports article describes how scheduling will work for ACC basketball.
Teams that travel west will play 2 CA games on the same trip.
The western teams will play 2 games against teams in close proximity on the same trip.
SMU, Cal & Stanford will play each other 2X per year.

ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU means the conference's days of being an elite basketball league are over​

ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU means the conference's days of being an elite basketball league are over

Cal, Stanford and SMU will make the ACC bigger, but with 18 teams it will definitely not be better

www.cbssports.com

 

[The deacon]

This CBS Sports article describes how scheduling will work for ACC basketball.
Teams that travel west will play 2 CA games on the same trip.
The western teams will play 2 games against teams in close proximity on the same trip.
SMU, Cal & Stanford will play each other 2X per year.

ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU means the conference's days of being an elite basketball league are over​

ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU means the conference's days of being an elite basketball league are over

Cal, Stanford and SMU will make the ACC bigger, but with 18 teams it will definitely not be better

www.cbssports.com

And what about all the other sports teams? It's a sad joke how the purse strings rule college athletes' lives.

 

[Zarathustra]

Of course the BIG EAST already has CROATIA and Portugal and
a future IRELAND. == Both coasts of the Atlantic!!

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

The #ACC is changing its name to the Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Conference (A&P). They already have a logo.

 

[sun]

And what about all the other sports teams? It's a sad joke how the purse strings rule college athletes' lives.

I'd guess that each ACC school will alternate & only need to travel cross country once every other year.

 

[mcs333]

ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU means the conference's days of being an elite basketball league are over — CBS Sports

Adding three teams will hurt ACC in basketball

apple.news

This is about ACC men BB but many of these issues apply to women’s BB.

 

[Centerstream]

ACC adding Stanford, Cal and SMU means the conference's days of being an elite basketball league are over — CBS Sports

Adding three teams will hurt ACC in basketball

apple.news

This is about ACC men BB but many of these issues apply to women’s BB.

I'm excited to see how many WBB seasons there are when Stanford and Notre Dame only play each other once during the regularseason...

 

[Kat]

This, and the other realignments, are a complete mess.

 

[Plebe]

At this point I have more respect for the kingpins who run the international drug trade than I do for the cartels that run the college sports racket. More venal, less principled.

 

[HuskyNan]

 

[Steelerone]

Someone once said that if you want to know the future, look at the past. I think that many of us growing up bought most of our items from places like Murphy's five and ten, Woolworth's, Sear's and Roebuck and the A&P. There were the businesses that ended most of the "Mom and Pop" stores. Then along came the Malls and there went Murphys and Woolworth. Now we have Amazon and Wal Mart and poof, there go the malls. My point is this - right now we are looking at a Power 4 world but within a very short period of time we are going to be watching a group of cannibals and the only thing they will be feeding on is themselves. Schools like Vanderbuilt, Indiana, and the other second class football factories will be told they will have to start taking a smaller share of the revenue. Think it won't happen? When was the last time you went to a 5 & 10? Uconn is in a solid conference with a group of very good schools who arn't arguing about who should get a bigger share. Let's keep it that way.
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[Goodgood]

Someone once said that if you want to know the future, look at the past. I think that many of us growing up bought most of our items from places like Murphy's five and ten, Woolworth's, Sear's and Roebuck and the A&P. There were the businesses that ended most of the "Mom and Pop" stores. Then along came the Malls and there went Murphys and Woolworth. Now we have Amazon and Wal Mart and poof, there go the malls. My point is this - right now we are looking at a Power 4 world but within a very short period of time we are going to be watching a group of cannibals and the only thing they will be feeding on is themselves. Schools like Vanderbuilt, Indiana, and the other second class football factories will be told they will have to start taking a smaller share of the revenue. Think it won't happen? When was the last time you went to a 5 & 10? Uconn is in a solid conference with a group of very good schools who arn't arguing about who should get a bigger share. Let's keep it that way.
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Sounds great....but it is no longer a choice, it is survival...the balance sheet $$$$$$

 

[sun]

Uconn is in a solid conference with a group of very good schools who arn't arguing about who should get a bigger share. Let's keep it that way.

It's not very entertaining or exciting to watch UConn WBB play so many blow games against other Big East teams.
In 2022 - 23 UConn lost 2 games against BE teams, & in 2021 -22 they lost 1 game which can be attributed to injuries & a short bench.
But UConn usually blows out the other BE teams by 30 - 40 points.
IMO it's not the best way to generate maximum interest in UConn WBB & may even hinder recruiting in the NIL age.
For now UConn relies on Geno's reputation for recruiting, but a change of conference could help elevate UConn's recruitment, brand & following to a whole new level in the future.

 

[Fairfield Fan]

Sounds absolutely horrible for the West Coast student-athletes. Jet lag, long hours in airplanes. And what happens to classes? Just insane.

It's as if the Big Bucks have accumulated in such a way that the entire pile comes crashing down of its own weight.

 

[CL82]

When was the last time you went to a 5 & 10? Uconn is in a solid conference with a group of very good schools who arn't arguing about who should get a bigger share. Let's keep it that way.

So, wouldn't the conference that only makes 4 million per school in media distributions, rather than the 70 million of the big 2 (or the 45 million of the little 2) be considered the five and dime in that analogy?

Essentially, your post points out the need to continue to evolve, because, otherwise over time you will be eliminated by competitors. That is precisely what we are seeing with the Big East.

 

[Steelerone]

It's not very entertaining or exciting to watch UConn WBB play so many blow games against other Big East teams.
In 2022 - 23 UConn lost 2 games against BE teams, & in 2021 -22 they lost 1 game which can be attributed to injuries & a short bench.
But UConn usually blows out the other BE teams by 30 - 40 points.
IMO it's not the best way to generate maximum interest in UConn WBB & may even hinder recruiting in the NIL age.
For now UConn relies on Geno's reputation for recruiting, but a change of conference could help elevate UConn's recruitment, brand & following to a whole new level in the future.

As I recall Geno has always scheduled the top women's teams in the country during the regular season and our record against them has been pretty good. As for a brand, I think Uconn has the trademark for women's basketball.

 

[sun]

As I recall Geno has always scheduled the top women's teams in the country during the regular season and our record against them has been pretty good. As for a brand, I think Uconn has the trademark for women's basketball.

I'd like to expound on the subject because it's not only me.
Recent poll results show that a whopping 83.3% would prefer that UConn belong to another conference.
Most of the people that responded are UConn WBB fans.

Poll - Which Conference Do You Favor for UConn?

I haven't seen any official Big 12 announcement of a vote taken for or against UConn being invited to join it, only a Tweet saying that it was denied. However if given a choice, which conference do you favor the most for UConn to join?

the-boneyard.com

There has been some notable BE players like Morrow, Park Lane & others that have transferred out of the conference which can lead to a decline in the level of conference play.
UConn is so much larger compared to the other BE schools, even their BB arenas seem to have a way smaller capacity than the number of fans that UConn should be able to draw on the road.

Frankly, I doubt that UConn WBB has had conference rivals that were very good since they belonged to the old Big East when they would play Notre Dame & Syracuse.

UConn is drawing fans but it seems that they could be better off in another conference.
There's still a matter of almost 20 or more blow out conference games for a long stretch of the season including the BE Tourney romps.

Every team & conference has a ranking, and it generally seems that UConn WBB outclasses their conference opponents by so much that it makes most all the BE teams look weak & not very competitive.
They can't compete for enough of the blue chip players that can give them a chance to win games against UConn except under the direst of circumstances.
So many WBB teams have parity but usually not the ones in the Big East.
Someday UConn will benefit by moving up into a more competitive WBB conference.

 

[cancontent]

I'd like to expound on the subject because it's not only me.
Recent poll results show that a whopping 83.3% would prefer that UConn belong to another conference.
Most of the people that responded are UConn WBB fans.

Poll - Which Conference Do You Favor for UConn?

I haven't seen any official Big 12 announcement of a vote taken for or against UConn being invited to join it, only a Tweet saying that it was denied. However if given a choice, which conference do you favor the most for UConn to join?

the-boneyard.com

There has been some notable BE players like Morrow, Park Lane & others that have transferred out of the conference which can lead to a decline in the level of conference play.
UConn is so much larger compared to the other BE schools, even their BB arenas seem to have a way smaller capacity than the number of fans that UConn should be able to draw on the road.

Frankly, I doubt that UConn WBB has had conference rivals that were very good since they belonged to the old Big East when they would play Notre Dame & Syracuse.

UConn is drawing fans but it seems that they could be better off in another conference.
There's still a matter of almost 20 or more blow out conference games for a long stretch of the season including the BE Tourney romps.

Every team & conference has a ranking, and it generally seems that UConn WBB outclasses their conference opponents by so much that it makes most all the BE teams look weak & not very competitive.
They can't compete for enough of the blue chip players that can give them a chance to win games against UConn except under the direst of circumstances.
So many WBB teams have parity but usually not the ones in the Big East.
Someday UConn will benefit by moving up into a more competitive WBB conference.

Was the AAC any different? Personally, I think that conference was worse for them compared to the Big East. Currently, there isn't a conference that would be a good fit. However, we're looking at this from a WBB perspective. These moves aren't being made for WBB.

 

[sun]

Was the AAC any different? Personally, I think that conference was worse for them compared to the Big East. Currently, there isn't a conference that would be a good fit. However, we're looking at this from a WBB perspective. These moves aren't being made for WBB.

You're absolutely right!
The ACC wasn't any different & realignment isn't being made for WBB.
However, the decision should be stirred by WBB because UConn is the diamond of all UConn sports.
We all know it & should become proactive to do something about it, especially considering this season's NC drive.
The fans on this forum should make a public effort demanding that the ACC invite UConn into the conference.
The effort should be directed to all of the ACC schools & particularly to the commissioner of the ACC.
It needs to become a movement that states loud & clear that we want UConn to be in the ACC.
Imagine a national online petition with tens of thousands of UConn fans & others from around the country joining together to get their attention.
Of course football drives the bus, but it's extremely unfair that UConn WBB is not in a power conference. with other powerful WBB programs.
It makes UConn look like a shrinking violet to be stuck with the dregs in the Big East.
That's not good for the UConn brand in the long run.
Or else other schools in more competitive conferences will eventually get more attention from the top notch recruits.

 

[Ozimoto]

We may not like it, but college sports currently doesn't work that way. Demanding that the ACC take UConn into their conference will have almost no impact on decisions made. Unfortunately, the value added that UConn could bring to these conferences from basketball (both men's and women's) has very little influence on media rights negotiations for the Power 4 (eventually 2) conferences. It has nothing to do with fairness, or history. It's all about the conferences negotiating media rights for football. At present UConn football, though improving, offers little in perceived value to increase market share for the major conferences. That may change, but it's going to take several years of consistent success on the gridiron.

 

[uconnfan68]

We may not like it, but college sports currently doesn't work that way. Demanding that the ACC take UConn into their conference will have almost no impact on decisions made. Unfortunately, the value added that UConn could bring to these conferences from basketball (both men's and women's) has very little influence on media rights negotiations for the Power 4 (eventually 2) conferences. It has nothing to do with fairness, or history. It's all about the conferences negotiating media rights for football. At present UConn football, though improving, offers little in perceived value to increase market share for the major conferences. That may change, but it's going to take several years of consistent success on the gridiron.

There are a bunch of teams that also don't add much value to their conferences, but they still benefit. They're just patsies for the top teams.

 

[sun]

We may not like it, but college sports currently doesn't work that way. Demanding that the ACC take UConn into their conference will have almost no impact on decisions made. Unfortunately, the value added that UConn could bring to these conferences from basketball (both men's and women's) has very little influence on media rights negotiations for the Power 4 (eventually 2) conferences. It has nothing to do with fairness, or history. It's all about the conferences negotiating media rights for football. At present UConn football, though improving, offers little in perceived value to increase market share for the major conferences. That may change, but it's going to take several years of consistent success on the gridiron.

That may be true.
But something persuaded North Carolina to vote to admit the new ACC schools.
What we don't know is how many or which schools that UConn would need to persuade to get invited.
The ACC commissioner can have some sway if provided with the proper ammunition.
That's how Rutgers got admitted to the Big 10.
There must be potential media studies to determine whether UConn can deliver TV viewership.
Who knows what UConn has done to try to sell itself & lobby.

Somehow enough exciting college BB match ups should be able to add to the ACC bottom line.
It must be more than only about UConn football being winners since some of the realignment expansion teams of both growing conferences are not winning football programs.
There must be more to it going on behind the scenes.
Perhaps the ACC will really want UConn to bite the bullet & sacrifice a lot of TV revenue before they'll be invited, resulting in long term suffering.

Even Notre Dame has most all of its sports in the ACC except for football.
Maybe a similar route by UConn would produce more revenue than the Big East does.
I don't really that to happen but just saying that Notre Dame sports was given preference by the ACC without including football.
Meanwhile the UConn WBB schedule suffers in the Big East & the fans can only grumble about it.
Maybe we should blame the UConn AD for chosing the BE instead of exploring other options.
They keep the info. about their options a secret while the rest of the UConn nation only pays for it.

 

[triaddukefan]

That may be true.
But something persuaded North Carolina to vote to admit the new ACC schools.
What we don't know is how many or which schools that UConn would need to persuade to get invited.
The ACC commissioner can have some sway if provided with the proper ammunition.
That's how Rutgers got admitted to the Big 10.
There must be potential media studies to determine whether UConn can deliver TV viewership.
Who knows what UConn has done to try to sell itself & lobby.

Somehow enough exciting college BB match ups should be able to add to the ACC bottom line.
It must be more than only about UConn football being winners since some of the realignment expansion teams of both growing conferences are not winning football programs.
There must be more to it going on behind the scenes.
Perhaps the ACC will really want UConn to bite the bullet & sacrifice a lot of TV revenue before they'll be invited, resulting in long term suffering.

Even Notre Dame has most all of its sports in the ACC except for football.
Maybe a similar route by UConn would produce more revenue than the Big East does.
I don't really that to happen but just saying that Notre Dame sports was given preference by the ACC without including football.
Meanwhile the UConn WBB schedule suffers in the Big East & the fans can only grumble about it.
Maybe we should blame the UConn AD for chosing the BE instead of exploring other options.
They keep the info. about their options a secret while the rest of the UConn nation only pays for it.

Give it up, it's over.