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auror said:
I thought they had had 2 days rest, but it was only 1 after the back to back, so you're probably right.
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He’s a rookie he doesn’t need rest he needs to play a lot of minutes.
 
caw said:
East Coast teams with the East Coast timeslot. They will be front and center soon anyway.

The Pelicans team actually has a ton of solid NBA players. They are just missing something. Leadership, a solid game plan, a thinner Zion?
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I think all three are missing. Shaq and Barkley are hammering Zion for being fat and lazy, descriptors once used early in both their careers.
 
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Losing minutes to Daniels and Naji is kinda strange. I know his defense was kinda rough, but he’s got more upside than those guys.
 
We’re all homers but Pels fans are also unanimous in their confusion as to wtf Green is doing. I know they are meaningless lists for clicks but Hawk had risen to 3rd in the rookie ladder and 2 weeks later is out of the rotation. Green answered a question on Hawk last night and seemed to imply he is the 11th or 12th man.
 
It must be tough for any player to come in, do everything that was asked of you, exceed all expectations, and be on a pace to break records (most 3PM by a rookie) and then get glued to the bench overnight

Hopefully this doesn’t rattle Hawkins’ confidence. Coach said he’ll get his opportunity again. I’ll choose to trust him there
 
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I don't watch much NBA, but was starting to follow it more due to Hawkins and Jackson. From my observations, and I could be wrong, it seems that the NBA works almost opposite the NFL. Most 1-2nd round picks in the NFL get their opportunity to succeed (until they don't) but seems like outside of the top 5 or so picks in the NBA, a lot of rookies get glued to the bench behind veterans who seemingly don't have as much potential, especially with the start he had. If a roookie receiver in the NFL lit it up like Hawk for a few weeks, he wouldn't be benched just because some others got healthy. Idk, I could be totally wrong, but just my 2 cents.
 
crazyUCfan23 said:
I don't watch much NBA, but was starting to follow it more due to Hawkins and Jackson. From my observations, and I could be wrong, it seems that the NBA works almost opposite the NFL. Most 1-2nd round picks in the NFL get their opportunity to succeed (until they don't) but seems like outside of the top 5 or so picks in the NBA, a lot of rookies get glued to the bench behind veterans who seemingly don't have as much potential, especially with the start he had. If a roookie receiver in the NFL lit it up like Hawk for a few weeks, he wouldn't be benched just because some others got healthy. Idk, I could be totally wrong, but just my 2 cents.
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It does seem that way.
 
REB1094 said:
It must be tough for any player to come in, do everything that was asked of you, exceed all expectations, and be on a pace to break records (most 3PM by a rookie) and then get glued to the bench overnight

Hopefully this doesn’t rattle Hawkins’ confidence. Coach said he’ll get his opportunity again. I’ll choose to trust him there
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Wow, Willie Green is basically saying the only way Hawkins is going to play is if there's multiple injuries again. What a joke.

 
Green is trying to keep his job, and coaches always think that the best way to do that is to play the vets over the rookies (N Marshall especially in this case).

However, usually what gets the fans (and then the owner/front office) to start calling for a coaches head is that the young guys aren't developing. Of course this only matters if the team is lousy....which the pels have been forever.

Aside: Bucks fans are similarly irritated with their coach playing Beasley, Payne and Connaughton over Andre, and that's even more flattering to him because they have legit championship aspirations.
 
Hawk will get more opportunities. The Pels are always injured. Its rare to have so many guys come back off of IR for them. He should avoid the rookie wall.
 
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crazyUCfan23 said:
I don't watch much NBA, but was starting to follow it more due to Hawkins and Jackson. From my observations, and I could be wrong, it seems that the NBA works almost opposite the NFL. Most 1-2nd round picks in the NFL get their opportunity to succeed (until they don't) but seems like outside of the top 5 or so picks in the NBA, a lot of rookies get glued to the bench behind veterans who seemingly don't have as much potential, especially with the start he had. If a roookie receiver in the NFL lit it up like Hawk for a few weeks, he wouldn't be benched just because some others got healthy. Idk, I could be totally wrong, but just my 2 cents.
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It would be like if the Titans were waiting to make Tannehill their starter again the first second he was back healthy instead of using their eyeballs and brain and keeping Levis as their starter.
 
I actually don’t mind Willie Green as a coach. I think he’s done a pretty good job with the teams that he’s had … a weird group of players for sure. The fact that Trey Murphy, McCollum and Alvarado were all injured at some point has given Hawk way more opportunity that he probably might have had if the team were healthy. I think the fact that he took that opportunity and showed out makes it even more difficult to swallow the past few games. I think the real question is why he’s behind Dyson Daniels. I can somewhat understand Naji Marshall since he’s a more physical forward.
 
Unrelated a little bit, but it’s insane how poor of a rebounder Zion is. With his jumping ability, quickness, strength, hands etc he should be pulling down a lot of rebounds. Most times I see a Pels game or box score he has like 4 or 5. If anything besides the eye test proves he’s out of shape, that’s it.
 
Kenny11 said:
Unrelated a little bit, but it’s insane how poor of a rebounder Zion is. With his jumping ability, quickness, strength, hands etc he should be pulling down a lot of rebounds. Most times I see a Pels game or box score he has like 4 or 5. If anything besides the eye test proves he’s out of shape, that’s it.
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Zion is a cancer just like Kyrie. Coincidence they both went to Duke. I would get rid of Zion as soon as I can before he injures himself enough were he won't play for the rest of the season. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
 
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Kenny11 said:
Unrelated a little bit, but it’s insane how poor of a rebounder Zion is. With his jumping ability, quickness, strength, hands etc he should be pulling down a lot of rebounds. Most times I see a Pels game or box score he has like 4 or 5. If anything besides the eye test proves he’s out of shape, that’s it.
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It’s crazy to think that Hawk got the same number of rebounds or more with less minutes played. NOPs even allowed Zion to play every other game to rest him up, but not play the 3rd ranked rookie? SMH…
 
3rdbass said:
Zion is a cancer just like Kyrie. Coincidence they both went to Duke. I would get rid of Zion as soon as I can before he injures himself enough were he won't play for the rest of the season. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
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I hate using the word cancer. It's an ugly word for people that have lost someone to it (and most probably have). So, I'd reserve that word for people who ruin the whole team. Not just as a player, but a person. I do think Kyrie might have earned the term by alienating franchises from fans and hurting his team with randomly sitting out and a weird (if not nasty) attitude. I met Kyrie in a small setting. He was unpleasant. The guy I was with just said "he's not always like that, but he's moody." I hate being around people like that.

I don't consider Zion a cancer, but he will most likely never be a franchise player. He's out of shape. He's constantly conserving energy, so he doesn't make cuts, help on defense, rebound, etc. Even if he were in shape, his body type is not conducive to his playing style. His injuries will most likely continue. If I were the New Orleans GM, I'd trade Zion. I'm not sure if the Knicks have the assets, but I can see them totally overpaying.
 
Waquoit said:
When is the trade deadline? If they got guys better than Hawkins, then they have surplus to requirements and should move somebody for an asset.
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That was my first thought too
 
I think there's a lot of overreacting here. hawk will get another chance soon enough, rotations are always changing in the nba. pelicans just had two guys come back from injury and marshall is playing really well. hawkins can't really do what alvarado does (which i think is not much but) and daniels was also a high lottery pick who needs his looks. it will all sort itself out. i'd be way more upset if hawkins was lighting it up, but he's shooting kinda meh lately (below avg fg and ts% and efg%). maybe a breather is needed.

i think zion is sacrificing some effort for availability. obviously needs to be in better shape, but being able to play every game is the best way to do that.
 
Kels Dayton of the Courant obviously reads the Boneyard. I think he gets all his ideas on what to write from here.

Pelicans head coach Willie Green told reporters on Monday that the reduction in playing time wasn’t Hawkins’ fault.

“Those are some of the tough decisions that I have to make. I’ve had some talks with Hawk, and he’s been fantastic. It’s nothing he’s done. It’s more about can I play 11 guys, can I play 12 guys, and that’s tough to do sometimes,” Green said.

“My message to him is stay working. Your opportunity is going to come around again, and we can all see that he has a bright future with us, and that’s just the deal. It’s a long season, I’m sure we’ll have some guys in and out and he’ll get another opportunity to come in and impact this team.”

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Why has former UConn star Jordan Hawkins been benched with New Orleans Pelicans?

After a terrific start to his NBA career, former UConn star and New Orleans Pelicans rookie Jordan Hawkins has been benched over the last several games. Pelicans head coach Willie Green explained w…
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Beowulf said:
I think there's a lot of overreacting here. hawk will get another chance soon enough, rotations are always changing in the nba. pelicans just had two guys come back from injury and marshall is playing really well. hawkins can't really do what alvarado does (which i think is not much but) and daniels was also a high lottery pick who needs his looks. it will all sort itself out. i'd be way more upset if hawkins was lighting it up, but he's shooting kinda meh lately (below avg fg and ts% and efg%). maybe a breather is needed.

i think zion is sacrificing some effort for availability. obviously needs to be in better shape, but being able to play every game is the best way to do that.
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A breather? He’s a rookie. He needs to be given a chance to work through his off shooting games. The Pelicans have not earned the benefit of the doubt, their a trash franchise until they prove otherwise.
 
3rdbass said:
Zion is a cancer just like Kyrie. Coincidence they both went to Duke. I would get rid of Zion as soon as I can before he injures himself enough were he won't play for the rest of the season. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
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Totally agree. I know this is extremely harsh but Zion has trash character. It shows in his personal life and it shows on the floor. His quote about “trying to buy in” to the Pelicans was comical. He doesn’t take his job seriously and he is going to Oliver Miller himself.
 
Not a big Stephen A guy and generally don’t like to poke fun at peoples’ appearances…but he went to Duke and his parents got a free house which the NCAA swept under the rug so :

 
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Scoe said:
A breather? He’s a rookie. He needs to be given a chance to work through his off shooting games. The Pelicans have not earned the benefit of the doubt, their a trash franchise until they prove otherwise.
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i dont mean breather in the literal sense. i mean it's not the worst thing in the world for a rookie to have a reduced role every now and then. i love hawk, think he should be playing, and think he will be in the rotation for their eventual playin/playoff series. but this is a professional team with playoff aspirations, not the new orleans jordan hawkins showcase. you can't design every single game's rotations around your 14th overall pick.

they are better (by a lot) when he's off the court: Jordan Hawkins 2023-24 On Off Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

he's gonna get plenty of chances. this is not the end of the world. this team is in a win-now era because zion is a ticking time bomb. im sure they'll push some chips in to consolidate at some point, which will open up more minutes for hawk. but right now this is nothing.
 
StllH8L8ner said:
Not a big Stephen A guy and generally don’t like to poke fun at peoples’ appearances…but he went to Duke and his parents got a free house which the NCAA swept under the rug so :

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I can’t stand Stephen A, but that clip was hilarious.
 
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