ITM, Hawk continues to fly high

[runner11]

This is generous. Somewhere between Danny Ainge and Joe Johnson, IMHO.

I love an opportunity to nitpick. Iso Joe is regarded as one of the best handling wings of the era. I will throw out Desmond Bane as a comp.

 

[husky429]

I love an opportunity to nitpick. Iso Joe is regarded as one of the best handling wings of the era. I will throw out Desmond Bane as a comp.

Bane -20lbs

 

[Kenny11]

I think there's a good chance he could be in the all star weekend 3 point contest

 

[gmc1055]

Hawk seems to play pretty good positional defense even in the NBA. He obviously is shooting well but the offense Hurley runs also seems to have helped as he has been pretty good at making the extra pass to the open shooter. His biggest problem is still finishing at the rim, but oddly more so on his dunk attempts. I think I've seen him stuffed at the rim twice and back rim a dunk once.

He doesn't break anyone down off the dribble but he is good enough to take advantage of poor/rushed closeouts to attack.

PTSD from the dunk in the championship game.

 

[Rico444]

It was pretty obvious how much potential he had after freshman season though. I certainly wasn't disappointed. There's a reason why he was on mock draft boards and pre-season lists despite only averaging 7ppg as a freshman--it was clearly he was bursting with talent.

I see that same potential with Solo. He isn't there yet, but the pieces are apparent. Not to the same extent as Hawkins, but it's there.

The concern will be if Ross and/or Stewart don't show those pieces by the end of the season. Right now, they're basically just on the court existing. It's rare that a kid goes from 9th/10th man to a serious, starting caliber player.

To be fair, part of the equation is how good the players in front of you are. Alex Karaban isn't getting his minutes cut for Ross, no matter how good he looks. I agree with your overall point about the kids needing to show more.

 

[aceboon]

I love an opportunity to nitpick. Iso Joe is regarded as one of the best handling wings of the era. I will throw out Desmond Bane as a comp.

as far as play style the Bane comp is actually pretty good

 

[RichZ]

I don't know much about Donnie or Ollie--I was very young--but I do know that Andre and Niels don't apply here. Niels started a bunch of games and was one of the best 6th-men in the country by tourney time. Andre started games and averaged 16 mpg. He was another clearly high potential player.

Also, can we consider you named FOUR players--two of whom don't even apply--out of the past, what, 30 years of basketball? How many deep bench players have we had--30 40? 50? You're actually kind of proving my point.

As regards Niels, as a freshman, he averaged 2.2 points and 1.4 rebounds and as a sophomore, he went for 2.6 points and 1.5 rebounds a game. NO ONE was talking about his pro potential. Andre's first year is tough to judge -- covid. But it was still 2.7 points and 3 rebounds per game, at almost 3 times as many minutes per game as Niels played early on.

 

[Waquoit]

As regards Niels, as a freshman, he averaged 2.2 points and 1.4 rebounds and as a sophomore, he went for 2.6 points and 1.5 rebounds a game. NO ONE was talking about his pro potential. Andre's first year is tough to judge -- covid. But it was still 2.7 points and 3 rebounds per game, at almost 3 times as many minutes per game as Niels played early on.

Using averages misses the picture of Niels freshman year. He played a lot early and seemingly fell out of favor, barely playing until the title game where he played 24 minutes. He only played 24 minutes in the previous 5 tourney games combined.

 

[CL82]

I really think some of us were spoiled by how naturally the pieces fit together last year.

Or at least how well we remember them sitting in the afterglow of a national championship.

 

[Dooooooomed]

 

[husky429]

My bold claim: Jordan Hawkins will be on the top-5 career 3PM list by the time he retires from the league. I believe he will be known as one of the best pure shooters of all time by 2035.

 

[Tenspro2002]

So essentially you’re betting Wemby get hurt.

And Chet.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Hawk has arrived! FanDuel is cooking & limiting their bets on him tonight…

Capping max bets (his 3pts made you can only get at 4+ max). They also took off ability to bet on his rebounds and combos.

 

[aceboon]

impressed with his passing in the first half of this Nuggets game, Nuggets have been doing a good job of running him off the 3pt line and trying to take his space away but JH has been putting it on the floor and making the right reads

 

[caw]

impressed with his passing in the first half of this Nuggets game, Nuggets have been doing a good job of running him off the 3pt line and trying to take his space away but JH has been putting it on the floor and making the right reads

He makes a lot of nice swing passes. He clearly learned from Hurley's coaching.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

impressed with his passing in the first half of this Nuggets game, Nuggets have been doing a good job of running him off the 3pt line and trying to take his space away but JH has been putting it on the floor and making the right reads

I love this kid, man. I’ve sincerely never rooted harder for a player. The league is currently so tailored to the type of game be plays.

Kid is gonna be insane.

 

[elmcityboy]

hawk got some shine on the bill simmons podcast the other day.

in terms of comps, bill had kerry kittles.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Joker with video game numbers against Pels last night.

26 pts
14 boards
18 assists

 

[EZPass]

Joker with video game numbers against Pels last night.

26 pts
14 boards
18 assists

 

[auror]

Joker with video game numbers against Pels last night.

26 pts
14 boards
18 assists

I was looking at Hawk's statline and I saw he had 4 assists, and I was like nice! Then I looked at the Pels starters and they ALL had a bunch of assists. A really good sharing of the ball in a win over a really good team, I was impressed. Then I looked and the Nuggets had even more assists as a team. But I was looking through and it didn't seem to add up compared to the Pels. Jokic had 10 and the rest of the team didn't have that many. Then I realized the 0 was really an 8 and it was an 18 and I made the Pikachu meme face in real life.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

I was looking at Hawk's statline and I saw he had 4 assists, and I was like nice! Then I looked at the Pels starters and they ALL had a bunch of assists. A really good sharing of the ball in a win over a really good team, I was impressed. Then I looked and the Nuggets had even more assists as a team. But I was looking through and it didn't seem to add up compared to the Pels. Jokic had 10 and the rest of the team didn't have that many. Then I realized the 0 was really an 8 and it was an 18 and I made the Pikachu meme face in real life.

The Pels are a really good offensive team when they share the ball.
But they have this habit of going long stretches of 1v1 taking nothing but tough contested long 2's. Very annoying.

 

[husky429]

The Pels are a really good offensive team when they share the ball.
But they have this habit of going long stretches of 1v1 taking nothing but tough contested long 2's. Very annoying.

I think this is because of Zion. He doesn't seem to have an interest in winning, and it leaks to the rest of the team. You can see when he starts with his BS, everyone else just starts playing like crap too.

Ingram can be questionable too, but it doesn't feel as bad.

 

[Waquoit]

... Nuggets have been doing a good job of running him off the 3pt line and trying to take his space away but JH has been putting it on the floor and making the right reads

So opponents are game planning for Hawk already. Respect!

 

[Edward Sargent]

I think this is because of Zion. He doesn't seem to have an interest in winning, and it leaks to the rest of the team. You can see when he starts with his BS, everyone else just starts playing like crap too.

Ingram can be questionable too, but it doesn't feel as bad.

I wonder if Zion will play tonight. He hasn't played back to back yet. He certainly isn't my pick to build your team around.

 

[superjohn]

Jokic with 26/16/18 in the loss. He's taking on more of the scoring burden without Murray and his shooting pecentages are a little down. Tough sleding and Denver will need more depth if they want to repeat. He's just a ridiculously amazing player.

 

[superjohn]

I think this is because of Zion. He doesn't seem to have an interest in winning, and it leaks to the rest of the team. You can see when he starts with his BS, everyone else just starts playing like crap too.

Ingram can be questionable too, but it doesn't feel as bad.

I loved this guy his freshman year at Duke, he's made himself really hard to root for so far in the NBA. I haven't written him off yet but he needs to change his attitude.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Jokic with 26/16/18 in the loss. He's taking on more of the scoring burden without Murray and his shooting pecentages are a little down. Tough sleding and Denver will need more depth if they want to repeat. He's just a ridiculously amazing player.

Guy is insane. Also De’aaron fox has turned it up a level from last year, which is incredible. Him and Haliburton have been amazing.

 

[Hunt for 7]

The Pelicans would be a much better team if Zion and Ingram had any idea how to pass.

 

[HailUConn]

Starting to goth against TWolves without Zion, and they are up in 4th Q, and Hawk has 11pts/3assts/1rb. Consider the fact that he is going to get better, he pretty much locks up this record. I am salivating over the prospect what he can do after one season play and offseason S&C in NBA:

 

[husky429]

Another nice game tonight. 15/2/4 on 50% shooting.