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It has to be time right??

auror said:
Which ones?
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How about any one not under NCAA investigation for starters??

It looks like MSU will be on the market but thats a reach for Hurley

Lets see what schools have vacancies at the end of the year. MSU is one obvious one right now.
 
djct1999 said:
I guess you ignored the Tennessee search after the Schiano fiasco. Good coaches with options certainly do care. UConn is not the same job it was 5 years ago and I strongly feel the next hire will be underwhelming. Especially if Benedict fired him mid season.
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Yeah I “ignored” the TN search. I also ignored the dismissal of Gordon Chiesa at Providence and Jeff Skilling at Enron. On what planet is the TN football search fiasco remotely comparable to KO being fired before the season ends? Tennessee’s AD got fired for that. Benedict would be justified and applauded.
 
Whether Hurley would come is one thing, but the idea he wouldn't come to UConn because its not a place you can go to a final 4 at, is kind of absurd.
 
Sonova said:
Yeah I “ignored” the TN search. I also ignored the dismissal of Gordon Chiesa at Providence and Jeff Skilling at Enron. On what planet is the TN football search fiasco remotely comparable to KO being fired before the season ends?
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We are talking about the coaching fraternity and how other coaches react to the mistreatment of one of their own. The Tennessee fiasco and how many coaches after the fact turned them down is quite relevant to what might happen at UConn if the firing is mishandled. If UConn lands their fourth or fifth option.......welll, good night.
 
Captbluefin said:
Several schools in better positions thsn we are will be going after Hurley. And we are going to be a big rebuild.

My point is we need a proven battle tested Coach. Not somebody who has had a few good seasons at R.I.

Nobody is prepared for 2 or 3 bad seasons to rebuild.

And whoever it is they better be able to recruit cause what little useful talent we have now will not be staying. Unless of course we get a big time Coach..
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your posts make no sense. So Hurley isn't good enough for us but we also wouldn't be able to get him to coach here? that's basically what you've said all day
 
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djct1999 said:
We are talking about the coaching fraternity and how other coaches react to the mistreatment of one of their own. The Tennessee fiasco and how many coaches after the fact turned them down is quite relevant to what might happen at UConn if the firing is mishandled. If UConn lands their fourth or fifth option..welll, good night.
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I don’t know a better way to explain this to you. It’s apples and oranges. Firing Kevin Ollie tomorrow wouldn't be viewed at mistreatment by anyone whose last name isn’t Ollie. Every single coach in America would “get it.” Whether they thought that UConn could have waited until the season ended, it wouldn’t turn one single guy off to Dave Benedict or to the job itself. There may be other reasons, but a mid/late season firing given all that’s going on is not remotely one of them. In comparison, you are talking about a biblical level of incompetence from an AD that resulted in the University of Tennessee being a late night show punch line and ended up costing the AD his job within the week.
 
Sonova said:
I don’t know a better way to explain this to you. It’s apples and oranges. Firing Kevin Ollie tomorrow wouldn't be viewed at mistreatment by anyone whose last name isn’t Ollie. Every single coach in America would “get it.” Whether they thought that UConn could have waited until the season ended, it wouldn’t turn one single guy off to Dave Benedict or to the job itself. There may be other reasons, but a mid/late season firing given all that’s going on is not remotely one of them. In comparison, you are talking about a biblical level of incompetence from an AD that resulted in the University of Tennessee being a late night show punch line and ended up costing the AD his job within the week.
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Congrats for acknowledging the situations are different, however, the reaction by coaches would be quite similar. Multiple coaches would turn UConn down over this. A mid season firing would certainly cause hesitation for many to come here. Your dismissal of this is idiotic.
 
djct1999 said:
Congrats for acknowledging the situations are different, however, the reaction by coaches would be quite similar. Multiple coaches would turn UConn down over this.
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Knock yourself out sport. There isn’t a single coach who would otherwise take the UConn job, that would do that. Not one. But keep telling yourself whatever you’d like. I’m done with this conversation.
 
Captbluefin said:
Several schools in better positions thsn we are will be going after Hurley. And we are going to be a big rebuild.

My point is we need a proven battle tested Coach. Not somebody who has had a few good seasons at R.I.

Nobody is prepared for 2 or 3 bad seasons to rebuild.

And whoever it is they better be able to recruit cause what little useful talent we have now will not be staying. Unless of course we get a big time Coach..
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What 'battle tested' (you'll have to define that) coach would leave their current high major job to come to UCONN?

And no matter who comes, there's going to be a rebuild.

So, what we need is a young, up and coming coach, who's shown he can resurrect lower (preferably multiple) programs.
 
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JMick said:
your posts make no sense. So Hurley isn't good enough for us but we also wouldn't be able to get him to coach here? that's basically what you've said all day
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All you can do is laugh. It is comical.
 
Sonova said:
I don’t know a better way to explain this to you. It’s apples and oranges. Firing Kevin Ollie tomorrow wouldn't be viewed at mistreatment by anyone whose last name isn’t Ollie. Every single coach in America would “get it.” Whether they thought that UConn could have waited until the season ended, it wouldn’t turn one single guy off to Dave Benedict or to the job itself. There may be other reasons, but a mid/late season firing given all that’s going on is not remotely one of them. In comparison, you are talking about a biblical level of incompetence from an AD that resulted in the University of Tennessee being a late night show punch line and ended up costing the AD his job within the week.
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You think it's inconceivable that a coach of the caliber you would want (i.e. has options) might think twice about a job where the last guy was an alum, won a national championship 4 years ago, made it to the second round 2 years ago and they kick him to the curb mid-season? People have different risk tolerances and value job security differently than you might. Come to think of it you might be right about a mid-season or post-season firing being no different, it might be really hard to find a worthy candidate who wants this cutthroat job in either scenario.
 
Tuna said:
You think it's inconceivable that a coach of the caliber you would want (i.e. has options) might think twice about a job where the last guy was an alum, won a national championship 4 years ago, made it to the second round 2 years ago and they kick him to the curb mid-season? People have different risk tolerances and value job security differently than you might. Come to think of it you might be right about a mid-season or post-season firing being no different, it might be really hard to find a worthy candidate who wants this cutthroat job in either scenario.
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He will have missed the tournament 3 out of the last 4 years -- if Hurley wants to go to a place where he can "compete for 4 & 5 star recruits and make it to Final 4s" I don't think he's worried about getting blown out by 20+ points 6 times in a season for the first time in program history or having 3 starters transfer and a top recruit decommit.
 
Tuna said:
You think it's inconceivable that a coach of the caliber you would want (i.e. has options) might think twice about a job where the last guy was an alum, won a national championship 4 years ago, made it to the second round 2 years ago and they kick him to the curb mid-season? People have different risk tolerances and value job security differently than you might. Come to think of it you might be right about a mid-season or post-season firing being no different, it might be really hard to find a worthy candidate who wants this cutthroat job in either scenario.
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You’re now arguing that firing Kevin Ollie after this season is evidence of some sort of mistreatment or unrealistic expectations in major college athletics? At 3 million per year? I’m good. I prefer to engage with the somewhat rational and sane portion of the Yard. Have a nice time in your universe.
 
Storrs South said:
He will have missed the tournament 3 out of the last 4 years -- if Hurley wants to go to a place where he can "compete for 4 & 5 star recruits and make it to Final 4s" I don't think he's worried about getting blown out by 20+ points 6 times in a season for the first time in program history or having 3 starters transfer and a top recruit decommit.
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Good post. No idea why so many are scared of change. Without it, we have what we have and that's pretty gloomy.
 
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Tuna said:
You think it's inconceivable that a coach of the caliber you would want (i.e. has options) might think twice about a job where the last guy was an alum, won a national championship 4 years ago, made it to the second round 2 years ago and they kick him to the curb mid-season? People have different risk tolerances and value job security differently than you might. Come to think of it you might be right about a mid-season or post-season firing being no different, it might be really hard to find a worthy candidate who wants this cutthroat job in either scenario.
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You make it sound like making it to the second round once is some sort of accomplishment. That means they have won one tourney game in 4 seasons assuming this season doesn't miraculously turn around. Be honest, that just doesn't cut it.
 
Sonova said:
You’re now arguing that firing Kevin Ollie after this season is evidence of some sort of mistreatment or unrealistic expectations in major college athletics? At 3 million per year? I’m good. I prefer to engage with the somewhat rational and sane portion of the Yard. Have a nice time in your universe.
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Has a coach ever been fired 4 years out from a championship in history? And I'm sure you'll ask has any championship winning coach ever had a losing record and/or been blown out as many times as this team has this year within four years of a championship. Probably not. But at this point the chances of immediate success for a new coach are astronimcally slim. I think it's very plausible that this job would not be a top candidate's first choice seeing how quickly the fanbase and administration turned on Ollie despite winning a ship. But then again I'm totally irrational and insane so what do I know?
 
Storrs South said:
He will have missed the tournament 3 out of the last 4 years -- if Hurley wants to go to a place where he can "compete for 4 & 5 star recruits and make it to Final 4s" I don't think he's worried about getting blown out by 20+ points 6 times in a season for the first time in program history or having 3 starters transfer and a top recruit decommit.
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Danny Hurley has been to the NCAA tournament one time in his entire career. If he's not considering the fact that he might miss the tournament his first few hypotheical years at UCONN well then he sure as hell ought to be.
 
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Tuna said:
I think it's very plausible that this job would not be a top candidate's first choice seeing how quickly the fanbase and administration turned on Ollie despite winning a ship. But then again I'm totally irrational and insane so what do I know?
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Although not a "ship" I am pretty sure Indiana fans turned on Davis pretty darn quickly after he made the championship game vs Maryland in 2002. Also, I think within 1 to 2 years of his 27-6 sweet 16 season, UNC fans turned on MD pretty rapidly. Granted those are cases of bluebloods, but I would think that, if not a blueblood, Uconn is at least in the next tier. And, having said that, certain expectations come with certain jobs where winning has been part of a teams history for at least two decades. This is not Rutgers or BC where we will be jumping for joy just getting into the 2nd round in March.
 
Captbluefin said:
Lets see what schools have vacancies at the end of the year. MSU is one obvious one right now.
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Izzo isn't going anywhere. The backlash to the backlash has already begun.

So you're just assuming that a school with a larger budget, better facilities, greater resources, and more potential than UConn and a vacancy will emerge, but also not a blue blood who are too strong and Hurley won't be qualified for, and he will have a desire to go there over UConn. And you're presenting this as a certainty, not a chance.

Got it.
 
Tuna said:
Has a coach ever been fired 4 years out from a championship in history? And I'm sure you'll ask has any championship winning coach ever had a losing record and/or been blown out as many times as this team has this year within four years of a championship. Probably not. But at this point the chances of immediate success for a new coach are astronimcally slim. I think it's very plausible that this job would not be a top candidate's first choice seeing how quickly the fanbase and administration turned on Ollie despite winning a ship. But then again I'm totally irrational and insane so what do I know?
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Gene Chizik was, different sport but he had the same high expectations.
 
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auror said:
Izzo isn't going anywhere. The backlash to the backlash has already begun.

So you're just assuming that a school with a larger budget, better facilities, greater resources, and more potential than UConn and a vacancy will emerge, but also not a blue blood who are too strong and Hurley won't be qualified for, and he will have a desire to go there over UConn. And you're presenting this as a certainty, not a chance.

Got it.
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No....I am saying our program is way more of a dumpster fire than MSU that will be plug and play for Hurley. Team wise thats a 10x easier situation to step into.

He would have to raise us from the ashes and meet the extremely high expectations that many would expect from him or anyone taking the job. And he is no dummy. He knows in 2 years many be calling for his head..
 
Captbluefin said:
No....I am saying our program is way more of a dumpster fire than MSU that will be plug and play for Hurley. Team wise thats a 10x easier situation to step into.

He would have to raise us from the ashes and meet the extremely high expectations that many would expect from him or anyone taking the job. And he is no dummy. He knows in 2 years many be calling for his head..
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Well their President, Athletic Director, at least one Board member all resigned and their two high profile coaches might do the same. Other than that things are great.
 
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Tuna said:
Has a coach ever been fired 4 years out from a championship in history?
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Well, if we view firing and forced resignations as similar, you get Gene Chizik, Rick Pitino, Jim Harrick, Frank McGuire, Jerry Tarkanian. Gene Stallings and Barry Switzer left in a cloud of smoke and innuendo. Others went as well, though a bit outside your 4-year window (Coker was year 5), most famously Woody Hayes.
 
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Travelman32 said:
There already is a gofundme....

The ncaa really has it out for uconn Imo.
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The NCAA does seem to have it in for UConn and Calhoun thumbing his nose at them after the Miles issue is probably the reason.
 
JeepCSC said:
Well, if we view firing and forced resignations as similar, you get Gene Chizik, Rick Pitino, Jim Harrick, Frank McGuire, Jerry Tarkanian. Gene Stallings and Barry Switzer left in a cloud of smoke and innuendo. Other legends went as well, though a bit outside your 4-year window (Coker was year 5), most famously Woody Hayes.
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selles said:
Harrick and Slick Rick.
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I meant for on-court performance issues (and was talking hoops). But then again, there is unfortunately an investigation ongoing...
 
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