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George Briscoe had one word to describe Isaiah's UK visit so far: "Wow."#NJhoops #BBN

That not good:-)
 
husky99 said:
George Briscoe had one word to describe Isaiah's UK visit so far: "Wow."#NJhoops #BBN That not good:-)
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I'd love to be a fly on the will so I could see what UK really has, says and does on these visits. What creates the "wow"? All I can think of is a really unique presentation or the player living facilities are just so outrageous comparatively. The new practice facility should be up to par with theirs.
 
He is going to UK - no need to get worked up over the word game.
 
Zionn said:
He is going to UK - no need to get worked up over the word game.
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After reading his father's excitement after having met with Calipari for 2 hours at home I'll have to agree. I mean the guy sounded like he was in love.
 
Zionn said:
He is going to UK - no need to get worked up over the word game.
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I hope I am wrong because I like Briscoe game. But the word is his camp is pushing uk big time (heard it was a done deal) before the visit.
 
Gotta ask but how many people can UK bring in... sounds like they have a scholarship offer into 20 guys and they all can't play there. Someone is going to get left or some poor kid on the team is going to be kicked off for the next best guy.
 
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Limbo Land said:
Gotta ask but how many people can UK bring in... sounds like they have a scholarship offer into 20 guys and they all can't play there. Someone is going to get left or some poor kid on the team is going to be kicked off for the next best guy.
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They only have 1 player on scholarship so far and probably will put a few kids in the upcoming draft. They have some space to work with.
 
Hoophound said:
I'd love to be a fly on the will so I could see what UK really has, says and does on these visits. What creates the "wow"? All I can think of is a really unique presentation or the player living facilities are just so outrageous comparatively. The new practice facility should be up to par with theirs.
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Interestingly Tubby Smith was ousted because he was unable to bring in the best recruits. Certainly Calipari is much better than Smith at being able to tell recruits what they want to hear vs. what they need to hear. But it still doesn't account for the separation between him and other "smooth" coaches with successful programs.

I accept that Kentucky has a winning tradition and recent success. And that John let's the kids showcase themselves and gets them into the NBA! But he isn't the only coach that has had this success. I begin to get suspicious when I observe a gap between the really great coaches. Tom Izzo for instance. He continues to get great recruits, but I just don't understand the degree of separation between his program and Kentucky and Arizona or even between him and Thad Matta!

One part of me weighs and puts merit to all the valid arguments supporting John Calipari's success. And one part of me is skeptical. He has the history behind him in which NCAA championships were taken away from the universities he coached. @upstater has demonstrated the ties in the past between members of the NCAA and the sleaze that exists in the recruiting world. Is it at play currently?

It's a murky world. I remember asking some buddies of mine in the 90's why was Walmart so good relative to Kmart. They stated what they read about Walmart's best attributes - better distribution centers, better stocking, better arrangement of the wares. Not being a shopper I decided to go into the stores myself and I observed basically the same items in both stores presented in a similar fashion. And then I noticed the real difference. That difference was where the items were being made for each store. Walmart was far ahead of the other retailers in having their items made in China. To me it was a no brainer. The primary factor in Walmart's success was that their goods cost them less and they were able to pass this savings onto the consumer. All the other explanations were covers to this fundamental underlying truth. Although this in not cheating, the point I'm making is something major causes imbalances and it isn't always the things that we see on the surface.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Interestingly Tubby Smith was ousted because he was unable to bring in the best recruits. Certainly Calipari is much better than Smith at being able to tell recruits what they want to hear vs. what they need to hear. But it still doesn't account for the separation between him and other "smooth" coaches with successful programs.

I accept that Kentucky has a winning tradition and recent success. And that John let's the kids showcase themselves and gets them into the NBA! But he isn't the only coach that has had this success. I begin to get suspicious when I observe a gap between the really great coaches. Tom Izzo for instance. He continues to get great recruits, but I just don't understand the degree of separation between his program and Kentucky and Arizona or even between him and Thad Matta!

One part of me weighs and puts merit to all the valid arguments supporting John Calipari's success. And one part of me is skeptical. He has the history behind him in which NCAA championships were taken away from the universities he coached. @upstater has demonstrated the ties in the past between members of the NCAA and the sleaze that exists in the recruiting world. Is it at play currently?

It's a murky world. I remember asking some buddies of mine in the 90's why was Walmart so good relative to Kmart. They stated what they read about Walmart's best attributes - better distribution centers, better stocking, better arrangement of the wares. Not being a shopper I decided to go into the stores myself and I observed basically the same items in both stores presented in a similar fashion. And then I noticed the real difference. That difference was where the items were being made for each store. Walmart was far ahead of the other retailers in having their items made in China. To me it was a no brainer. The primary factor in Walmart's success was that their goods cost them less and they were able to pass this savings onto the consumer. All the other explanations were covers to this fundamental underlying truth. Although this in not cheating, the point I'm making is something major causes imbalances and it isn't always the things that we see on the surface.
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Walmart is a retailer and therefore doesn't manufacture anything (except maybe store label stuff). It was their supply chain in addition to in store stocking and inventory management that set them apart. A stick of Old Spice deodorant sold in Wal Mart and K Mart was most likely manufactured in the same place. P & G doesn't make it in China for Wal Mart and Cincinatti for K Mart.

Overall a pretty strange analogy. KY is all about flash and wow factor. Wouldn't say the same about Wal Mart. ...
 
Should Briscoe commit to KY, then Newman might just eliminate KY and it'll be down to us and Kansas.
 
Yonick said:
Should Briscoe commit to KY, then Newman might just eliminate KY and it'll be down to us and Kansas.
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UConn does not seem to be listed as a school being considered for Newman on most of the recruiting sites...makes you wonder if we are really a serious contender for him.
 
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HuskiesAllDay said:
Walmart is a retailer and therefore doesn't manufacture anything (except maybe store label stuff). It was their supply chain in addition to in store stocking and inventory management that set them apart. A stick of Old Spice deodorant sold in Wal Mart and K Mart was most likely manufactured in the same place. P & G doesn't make it in China for Wal Mart and Cincinatti for K Mart.

Overall a pretty strange analogy. KY is all about flash and wow factor. Wouldn't say the same about Wal Mart. ...
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The analogy isn't perfect and I stated that. I also stated that both are retailers. What I observed was that the labels indicating where the various items were manufactured were different. This was at the time when Walmart was rapidly expanding stores nationally. At that time the origination of the suppliers for Walmart was primarily from China. The other retailers were still utilizing markets in which labor costs were greater. That was the primary economic advantage Wal Mart had over it's competitors, imo, although not the exclusive factor. Since that time other retailers have followed suit. But by then Wal Mart had catapulted itself into the lead. All the retailers continue to move to the cheapest labor markets for their suppliers pretty much in sync now. They've learned their lesson. But Walmart was the primary moving force in that particular drive to find the cheapest suppliers. I'll hand it to them. They had the guts to move to a 3rd world country, in which there were no guarantees of stability, to get their supplies. It could have backfired on them completely. That's about as far as my admiration goes for Wal Mart.

This is nothing new. Businesses always try to find an advantage over their competitors. I'm not implying that Wal Mart reinvented the wheel when it took advantage of the Chinese opportunity. What I'm stating is that the information we, who are not directly related to a particular matter, receive isn't always balanced and complete. There was no mention originally of the manufacturing advantage Wal Mart had over it's competitors. At least I didn't see any in Baron's or WSJ. That's a big oversight imo. It may sound like I'm bragging or arrogant or like Chief00, but I was ahead of the curve concerning the negative repercussions this advantage was going to bring to the U.S. I warned my friends that any advantages we as consumers would gain as a result of inexpensive items would ultimately result in disadvantages with our trade gap, never mind the labor consequences. We only had to go back to the 60's to observe our economic "fall" relative to Japan. Unfortunately I was too far ahead of the curve. The critical information wasn't discussed by the talking heads of the time. Furthermore there were enough important differences between the 90's and the 60's which gave ammo to anyone who wanted to refute the argument that this movement into China would result in similar negative consequences as took place in the 60s. And of course there was the seduction of cheap goods which was an inertia dampener to any of us attempting to begin any discussions regarding this issue.

How does all this relate to Kentucky? Some things are obvious, some are not. We all suspect Duke has a recruiting advantage. We all feel it even if it can't be quatified. Dukie V assured them of that. Having a significant media personality constantly extolling the virtues of one university and coach (which ends up being at the expense of all other coaches and institutions) is a valuable advantage for that coach when it comes to recruiting. That is obvious and visceral to many of us and the reason why so many fans of other schools love to hate Duke. The situation at Kentucky is more obtuse, more opaque. You have to read between the lines to be even suspicious because there are so many positive legitimate factors with Kentucky (Just as there were a multitude of factors that could be pointed to about Wal Mart that it was easy for us to overlook the salient anti U.S factor that lead to Wal Mart's success ).

All I'm doing is being suspicious. If it smells like a skunk and waddles like a skunk it could still be a mink. But then again it might very well be a skunk. If this was a critically important issue, such as the U.S. economy, I might continue to be vigilant about the situation. But alas this is just sports and KO has Calipari's number. So all is good.
 
I am not really impressed with a camp that can be "WOW'd" that easily not already knowing the history surrounding UK and the new coach.

Sign already please if that's the case - NEXT

"Wow, my son can play here with this snake oil salesman and come in 2nd place again with all of this talent? I'm all in!" :eek:
 
Am I the only one who isn't completely in love with his game? Really slow first step, not the best athlete, not overly impressive size, lazy on defense.. with that said I would love to land him seems like the kid can ball out. Just not sold he's a top 20 type player . He's certainly not the type of player UK has recruited during the cal era.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
The analogy isn't perfect and I stated that. I also stated that both are retailers. What I observed was that the labels indicating where the various items were manufactured were different. This was at the time when Walmart was rapidly expanding stores nationally. At that time the origination of the suppliers for Walmart was primarily from China. The other retailers were still utilizing markets in which labor costs were greater. That was the primary economic advantage Wal Mart had over it's competitors, imo, although not the exclusive factor. Since that time other retailers have followed suit. But by then Wal Mart had catapulted itself into the lead. All the retailers continue to move to the cheapest labor markets for their suppliers pretty much in sync now. They've learned their lesson. But Walmart was the primary moving force in that particular drive to find the cheapest suppliers. I'll hand it to them. They had the guts to move to a 3rd world country, in which there were no guarantees of stability, to get their supplies. It could have backfired on them completely. That's about as far as my admiration goes for Wal Mart.

This is nothing new. Businesses always try to find an advantage over their competitors. I'm not implying that Wal Mart reinvented the wheel when it took advantage of the Chinese opportunity. What I'm stating is that the information we, who are not directly related to a particular matter, receive isn't always balanced and complete. There was no mention originally of the manufacturing advantage Wal Mart had over it's competitors. At least I didn't see any in Baron's or WSJ. That's a big oversight imo. It may sound like I'm bragging or arrogant or like Chief00, but I was ahead of the curve concerning the negative repercussions this advantage was going to bring to the U.S. I warned my friends that any advantages we as consumers would gain as a result of inexpensive items would ultimately result in disadvantages with our trade gap, never mind the labor consequences. We only had to go back to the 60's to observe our economic "fall" relative to Japan. Unfortunately I was too far ahead of the curve. The critical information wasn't discussed by the talking heads of the time. Furthermore there were enough important differences between the 90's and the 60's which gave ammo to anyone who wanted to refute the argument that this movement into China would result in similar negative consequences as took place in the 60s. And of course there was the seduction of cheap goods which was an inertia dampener to any of us attempting to begin any discussions regarding this issue.

How does all this relate to Kentucky? Some things are obvious, some are not. We all suspect Duke has a recruiting advantage. We all feel it even if it can't be quatified. Dukie V assured them of that. Having a significant media personality constantly extolling the virtues of one university and coach (which ends up being at the expense of all other coaches and institutions) is a valuable advantage for that coach when it comes to recruiting. That is obvious and visceral to many of us and the reason why so many fans of other schools love to hate Duke. The situation at Kentucky is more obtuse, more opaque. You have to read between the lines to be even suspicious because there are so many positive legitimate factors with Kentucky (Just as there were a multitude of factors that could be pointed to about Wal Mart that it was easy for us to overlook the salient anti U.S factor that lead to Wal Mart's success ).

All I'm doing is being suspicious. If it smells like a skunk and waddles like a skunk it could still be a mink. But then again it might very well be a skunk. If this was a critically important issue, such as the U.S. economy, I might continue to be vigilant about the situation. But alas this is just sports and KO has Calipari's number. So all is good.
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I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I feel the need to respond. Wal Mart and K Mart basically sell the same crap, which is for the most part manufactured in the same place.

Wal Mart has been able to get it into and out of its stores faster and for cheaper and managed this process better limiting wasted product or unsold inventory. This allows them to continue to order more, and over time it becomes a snowball effect, where their prices become cheaper and cheaper as their volumes improve, and as they continue to buy more their power over the supplier continues to increase, which even further lowers their purchasing price.

Stop pointing to third world manufacturing. P&G, Kraft, Hanes, Unilever, they all make the same crap in the same manufacturing centers whether its sold in Wal Mart or K Mart. That wasn't Wal Mart's advantage.

As far as KY is concerned, there is certainly reason to be suspicious. But at the same time they sent two or three kids to the lottery every year, have been to the final 4 in 3 of the last 4 years. They have Rupp, a rabid fanbase, world class facilities, AND they don't have to play Tulsa, Tulane, Eastern Carolina (oh my god this sucksssss). Oh and they have the best salesman in the game selling it all. It should be no surprise KY is getting any kid they want every year.

As soon as KO can continue to establish his track record and fingers crossed we finally get into a new conference, then we will be in a similar spot soon, but with no questions about our tactics.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I feel the need to respond. Wal Mart and K Mart basically sell the same crap, which is for the most part manufactured in the same place.

Wal Mart has been able to get it into and out of its stores faster and for cheaper and managed this process better limiting wasted product or unsold inventory. This allows them to continue to order more, and over time it becomes a snowball effect, where their prices become cheaper and cheaper as their volumes improve, and as they continue to buy more their power over the supplier continues to increase, which even further lowers their purchasing price.
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Don't disagree with the efficiencies known to Wal Mart in the current time frame. But I looked at over 50 items store to store sometime in the early 90's and more than half of Wal Mart's items were manufactured in China. Less than 5% of K Mart items were manufactured in China. The things you mentioned are important. But before Sears and K Mart were overtaken by Wal Mart I maintain the primary advantage was getting the cheaper knock offs from China. It allowed Wal Mart to expand rapidly, much more so than those efficiencies you point out allowed. Once the other stores were overtaken, Wal Mart used its buying potential to get favorable deals relative to its competitors.

Our conference has some real duds without a doubt. But the SEC is not a bb conference by a long shot. So it shouldn't be factored in as an advantage relative to the other P5 conferences. It is on par with the A10 and the AAC basket ball wise imo. Football on the other hand the AAC is really struggling.
 
UcannUconn said:
Am I the only one who isn't completely in love with his game? Really slow first step, not the best athlete, not overly impressive size, lazy on defense.. with that said I would love to land him seems like the kid can ball out. Just not sold he's a top 20 type player . He's certainly not the type of player UK has recruited during the cal era.
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I'm with you on that assessment, though based on seeing just one of his games on TV, which is often not a good or fair way to draw conclusions on a recruit. With that said, reminded me a lot of a stronger and bigger Marcus Williams. He's a point that seems to be a pass first PG, but can turn on the scoring switch when needed. He's very strong and has a tight handle. He seems to use his strong frame to ward off defenders. I can't remember if his first step was quick or not. One thing is for sure, his 2nd, 3rd, etc, didn't look to be blow-by capable. He has a nice quick trigger deep J. As for his defense I have no idea. Hard to glean that from any player unless you get to see them play often for their high school team, assuming defense is stressed.

Keep in mind, Bazz, wasn't exactly a blazer but he was sneaky quick and has big time handle, to get off his shot or drive the gaps. There's nothing in Briscoe's game that tells me he couldn't develop those type of skills at the next level.

It does seem that he and his family are in love with the Squid and UK. Regardless, there are other recruits that I think would fit our needs better, but I'd welcome him with open arms if he chooses us.

If he ends up choosing UK, he'll be the next big time PG that chose to go elsewhere who finds himself on the losing end of a late round NCAA tourney game to the likes of UConn led by some supposedly less heralded PG. That formula never gets old does it?!?! Mark it down right here, right now!!! If Briscoe ends up at UK, expect to see Adams and his teammates jumping around the court as the clock strikes 0:00 while Briscoe and his fellow Wildcats walk off the court dejected. Who says that sequels are never as good as the first one. :)
 
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DreamSeason said:
It seems he left UK without an offer. If that is true....why? Is he Calipari 's plan c. If he still chooses UK in the end.... they deserve each other.
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where did you read that?
 
Chris Fisher ‏@ChrisFisher247 3h
When I asked Isaiah Briscoe's dad about the UK scholarship situation: "I know he can go there if he wants" [VIP] http://kentucky.247sports.com/Article/Kentucky-set-the-bar-high-on-in-home-visit-with-Isaiah-Briscoe-31331612…
 
He's going to run point on UK's third pod in 2015. After Cal fails with his 2 platoon system this year, he'll bring in Paul Azinger to teach him the Ryder Cup pod system. Briscoe will only get 13 minutes a game, but UK's new statistician will make it look like he played 34. Most other schools can't offer 34 minutes of extrapolated playing time.
 
DreamSeason said:
It seems he left UK without an offer. If that is true....why? Is he Calipari 's plan c. If he still chooses UK in the end.... they deserve each other.
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I wondered how high Cal had him, considering he's on so many elite recruits. He is the highest rated PG in a few top # list, but that doesn't mean that he's what Cal wants most. It did sound like from a number of insiders that Cal wanted Briscoe, and Briscoe's camp was not shy in making it sound they were drooling all over the Wildcat logo.

I guess we'll have to see how this pans out. Maybe he the commitment took place and he's waiting to have one of those news conferences to announce his choice.

At this point we have two really nice pieces (Adams & Enoch) for our 2015 class. It seems we're all in for Stone if we're going to get a 5. Then the 4th ship is likely to go to the first from the list of guards and wings that are still considering UConn. I don't know if KO would take 5 this fall knowing they had to clear one additional shop come next spring. My guess he might if the right 5 pledge their allegiance. I still like the idea of adding Stone, Jones and am leaning towards Mack even if we land Stones or Clarke. We seem to have plenty of guards over the next few years, but are quite thin at the wing. Hamilton can easily be a one or two-and-done. Mack seems more like a Lamb/Rip type jump-shooting and mid-range scoring wing. While Jones and Clarke look more like the high-flying Clyde Drexler or Hakeem Warrick type wings. If either or both develop a reliable jump shot before or while in college, they'd not only be among the best wings out there, but a great fit for KO's balanced transition and half-court offense. But I digress!
 
aceboon said:
where did you read that?
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There's an entire thread on the UK site with multiple fans saying "just offer him already" and asking whether UK has offered yet. Not sure how accurate that is.
 
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