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I'm hoping that some of these 1 and doners who are kentucky freshman this year will be so buried in their deep roster (with so many of their elite recruits actually staying for a second year) that they will not have a shot to go very high in the draft after one year. If this actually starts happening, then I think we might finally see the pushback from Calipari's system.

Hopefull the NBA drafters will see that a guy playing little minutes on a stacked Kentucky roster might not be a superstar who just hasnt had time to shine, a la Orton who is now a fringe bench player at best.

The bottom line is these kids are dumb to go to this NBADL Jr. "university" if they truly want to shine. I'd rather see them go to someplace like Cleveland State, really make yourself stand out rather than being a role player on a college team that barely plays as a 'team' even though you were the best player in your state a year ago
 
Kembacity said:
I'm hoping that some of these 1 and doners who are kentucky freshman this year will be so buried in their deep roster (with so many of their elite recruits actually staying for a second year) that they will not have a shot to go very high in the draft after one year. If this actually starts happening, then I think we might finally see the pushback from Calipari's system.

Hopefull the NBA drafters will see that a guy playing little minutes on a stacked Kentucky roster might not be a superstar who just hasnt had time to shine, a la Orton who is now a fringe bench player at best.

The bottom line is these kids are dumb to go to this NBADL Jr. "university" if they truly want to shine. I'd rather see them go to someplace like Cleveland State, really make yourself stand out rather than being a role player on a college team that barely plays as a 'team' even though you were the best player in your state a year ago
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I hear you but I also wonder if some of these kids think the quickest path to the NBA is through uk. Quickest path = milions. Remember we are talking about teenagers here, many enraptured with the goal of making a lot of money with their talent.

I don't think they are dumb just perhaps impatient and easily influenced by Cal's 'rap' (aa he is the best salesman in college basketball). The worst that can happen is their dream is delayed but gain a ton of exposure, press and face time on TV. The flip side is that many of those recruits are so good that if they went to another Div 1 school and perform as expected they would still realize their dream, maybe even in one year. However other coaches won't make the player the priority, focus or the 'star' above upperclassmen.

With that said I really don't believe winning Championships are a priority.
 
It's not the end of the world to go to UK and end up having to stay for 2-3 years before going to the draft. Worst case is you transfer or don't get much PT in 4 years. If you can't get PT by senior year, you aren't going to get drafted anyway.

It doesn't matter what UK does. We have Ollie, he can recruit, motivate, and coach. He's here to stay. It's only a matter of time until we are considered one of the top 3-5 programs of all time.
 
Briscoe is a legit top ten pick 1&done, he should go somewhere that offers maximum tick. if he goes to uk he in effect replaces either ulis or booker. he is way better than both. Booker is basically a doron lamb clone, could be there three years, while ulis is a 4 year guy. So that might not be an issue in the end for cal. That mathews kid is doomed though, should decommit and go to Illinois
 
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James said:
Briscoe is a legit top ten pick 1&done, he should go somewhere that offers maximum tick. if he goes to uk he in effect replaces either ulis or booker. he is way better than both. Booker is basically a doron lamb clone, could be there three years, while ulis is a 4 year guy. So that might not be an issue in the end for cal. That mathews kid is doomed though, should decommit and go to Illinois
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I must say watching him he could turn out to be a very good college player even without that burst of speed and ultra athleticism. He just looks like he knows how to score the ball, but next level isn't happening for him after 1 year, at least I highly doubt it. I see him rather a 3-4 year guy who needs to work on his first step and quickness to be able to get to the basket at the highest level. You could be right James but I don't see it, not even in 2 years.
 
mauconnfan said:
I must say watching him he could turn out to be a very good college player even without that burst of speed and ultra athleticism. He just looks like he knows how to score the ball, but next level isn't happening for him after 1 year, at least I highly doubt it. I see him rather a 3-4 year guy who needs to work on his first step and quickness to be able to get to the basket at the highest level. You could be right James but I don't see it, not even in 2 years.
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Think about him running pg though mau, he has all the goods to run point, more than newman at the moment. He plays very similar to his first cousin kyrie irving. playing as just a combo/ shooting guard i agree, he would need to follow more of the waiters path. but his impact will be visible from the jump. look out. Don't think we get him or newman though. As far as raw talent i'm eyeing stone, derrick jones, clarke, and mack as emergency. KO can wait for another talented guard in 2016

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
 
James said:
Think about him running pg though mau, he has all the goods to run point, more than newman at the moment. He plays very similar to his first cousin kyrie irving. playing as just a combo/ shooting guard i agree, he would need to follow more of the waiters path. but his impact will be visible from the jump. look out. Don't think we get him or newman though. As far as raw talent i'm eyeing stone, derrick jones, clarke, and mack as emergency. KO can wait for another talented guard in 2016

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
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Agree take him in a minute although a big or 2 is much more important......but I agree he's going to be a good college player just not ready for the NBA for a couple or few years. But he and Adams as additions to the backcourt would be really nice!;)
 
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I just don't get why these kids are infatuated with Calipari. Oh well, Ollie will continue to outcoach him and we will continue to kick his arse.
 
superjohn said:
I just don't get why these kids are infatuated with Calipari. Oh well, Ollie will continue to outcoach him and we will continue to kick his arse.
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Kids are easily impressed.

Witness Dave Rice's recruiting success at UNLV.

The man can't coach and he just took another top-30 type.
 
Zionn said:
For those of you that might have thought we had even a slim chance? http://zagsblog.com/articles/kentucky-offers-isaiah-briscoe/

Sorry to burst your bubble. Those comments will have a UK verbal by midnight.
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Love how zags drops an article like this and gets no quote on the uconn visit. Kemba walker is a better nba pg than brandon knight. The harrisons might be in lexington until they are juniors. Is cal riding Walls
coattails still? Marquis teague might be out of the league in 1-2 years.

Edit: also bledsoe give him cred there.
 
Fishy said:
Kids are easily impressed.

Witness Dave Rice's recruiting success at UNLV.

The man can't coach and he just took another top-30 type.
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The thing that's harder for me to understand is where all these kids think the playing time is going to come from. It seems like kids always talk about their position being crowded at UConn and other schools, when it comes to Kentucky they can bring in 4 players who play the same position in one class.
 
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Wow, yep, he's gone.

I love how that artice basically removes any type of "student" from the "student athlete" term at Kentucky. Cal is up front with them, give him credit I guess. He's only there to get them into the NBA. Period. End of discussion. And I'm sure kids out of high school absolutely love that the only thing he probably asks of them is to make sure they roll out of bed and sit in their seats in classes, even if they're sleeping through them.
there is certainly no misunderstanding of what their expectations are I'm sure.
 
His coaches and advisers are pushing uk big time. I said it last week and I will say it this week:-)
 
I also love how the article quotes Calipari via Briscoe that his job is to get people in the NBA. I thought his job is to help Kentucky reach the final four and win a national championship??? I guess his priorities are to get his players into the NBA first and then win some NCAA division I basketball games along the way. Oh, now I understand their program much better.

I am thankful everyday that I am a fan of the UCONN Huskies...

“[Calipari] said his job is to get people in the NBA, ultimately that’s everybody’s goal is to get to the NBA,” Briscoe said.
 
The whole system at Kentucky is predicated on kids leaving early. What happens when kids don't leave early and you get a large commitment class? Do you pressure the kids into leaving early? They will never be able to build team comradery or even a team leadership with turn over like this. They may win which I guess is really all that matters but it will never be organic. It will never be through good coaching, development on and off the court. Shit they don't even run any plays, remember the championship game? I don't know how cal takes credit for anything. other than selling them on coming to UK. Its the exact opposite of what college athletics is all about. They are our biggest rival right now bar none. Its what cbb should be vs what cbb shouldn't be.
 
Askgreek said:
“[Calipari] said his job is to get people in the NBA, ultimately that’s everybody’s goal is to get to the NBA,” Briscoe said.
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Yeah, because none of the kids who left UK for the NBA since he replaced Gillespie would have gotten a second look by an NBA team if it weren't for the few months that Calipari was their coach.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Yeah, because none of the kids who left UK for the NBA since he replaced Gillespie would have gotten a second look by an NBA team if it weren't for the few months that Calipari was their coach.
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Its the biggest lie in college basketball. They recruit nothing but top 15 kids. Even if these kids went to Seton Hall they'd be in the NBA.
 
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The Viking said:
Wow, yep, he's gone.

I love how that artice basically removes any type of "student" from the "student athlete" term at Kentucky. Cal is up front with them, give him credit I guess. He's only there to get them into the NBA. Period. End of discussion. And I'm sure kids out of high school absolutely love that the only thing he probably asks of them is to make sure they roll out of bed and sit in their seats in classes, even if they're sleeping through them.
there is certainly no misunderstanding of what their expectations are I'm sure.
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Online classes
 
Wait UK had six kids who were first rounders on last years team? I count two in Randle and Young. Who else is a guaranteed first rounder?

Not the twins. Not Johnson, or Poythues (SP). Not Lee. Maybe WCS.
 
It's easy to understand why recruits are so impressionable under the guise of Calipari. The pitch is simple: come play for the most passionate fan base in the country, where almost all of your games will be aired on national TV and you'll have a great shot at going to a final four for one year, then go pro. Whereas most coaches say that and it rings hollow, Cal can point to about a billion examples with whom it's worked. After a while, it becomes a self-perpetuating formula and it's hard to say it isn't a good one.
 
It's absolutely ridiculous. The hype machine perpetuated by ESPN and 5hitty writers like Zagoria are the only things that are getting these "waves" of kids into the NBA. Sure a number of them are actually deserving and would in all likelihood have been first round picks regardless of what school they went to, but just as many of these kids would be miles ahead of where they are had they gone to any of a number of schools where they could have actually developed into something or worked on real skills that are holding them back.

Wall, Cousins and Davis are guys that would have found success no matter where they went. (although I could argue separately that all three just have natural gifts that often allow them to succeed apart from whatever Calipari might have been able to teach them in their short time with him)

Most all of the rest of them are either finding no traction in the league, flaming out immediately, or bouncing around team to team for garbage minutes. Granted you could say that about most schools, but most schools also don't get the caliber of recruit that Calipari does (whether they should be rated that highly and what effect their commitment has to said ranking is also another discussion). Anyway, he does less with more, consistently.

More than anything I really hope that Calipari's big, brilliant idea of having a Kentucky combine backfires in the most embarrassing fashion possible. I hope every NBA scout comes out of there raving about these kid's athleticism and natural gifts while also bemoaning their lack of fundamentals and "taught" skills.

Anyway, I'm a believer in Briscoe's skills and think he and Jalen would make for a perfect complementary backcourt. It's disappointing how much Kentucky Kool-Aid he and his handlers have apparently drank but I can forgive that if he were to subsequently realize how much growth and opportunity awaits him if he were to consider UConn more seriously.
 
Rewatch the Uconn/ Kentucky Championship game. Now if you knew nothing else which one would you think was a better program. I'm not just talking the final results. Our guys look quicker ....our fundamentals better and on and on. If you want to reach your full potential you go to UConn....period!
 
Cal whined about "freshman" playing like freshman sometimes yet he gets kids who have played 10,000 games agains the best competition in the world before they even get there. He doesn't get freshman and we all know that. But kids don't because even at 19-20, which is old for a frosh, these are still kids who can be impressed easily. Part of the whole CAL thing is the media. ESPN can't get enough of him and drools at his sight as well as all of these college recruiting "guru's" who would never write anything bad about the guy because they want to stand in his shadows and have him call them by their first name. Even the media people are easily impressed and if there were any good one's anywhere someone would have the to tell everyone about the John Walls, Cousins, Davis', Randle's and such. As i've stated before the truth is if these guys went to Assumption College they were going in the same spot they were selected in the NBA draft out of UK. This isn't Cal coaching, hell Wall and Cousins were seen not even listening to him un huddles, these are really talented athletes biding their time.

Just the gushing over Cal by the Briscoe clan now makes me hope he goes there. No need for people who have no thought of reality in them.
 
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