OT: Is the old way better?

[Jaydumo20]

The portion of the yard over age 35 (myself included) often shows their age when we fall into pleading for things to go back to the way the were. But sometimes we may be justified. Im thinking sports first, but there may be other areas of life where the new is just not as good (i.e. vacuum cleaners)

Was college bball better before NIL?
NFL better before the rule changes ( qb/wr protection)?
NBA better before 3 point revolution?
Golf better before LIV?

Music consumption better before streaming?
TV better before streaming?
Movies better before CGI?


Where are the old timers justified?
Is the new era better?

 

[Jaydumo20]

Maybe some of you think the BY was way better before I became an active contributor...

 

[Rocktheworld]

Music has absolutely been in decline since at least around 2015

 

[Jaydumo20]

Music has absolutely been in decline since at least around 2015

I agree. Not only the product coming out but also the experience. Now that we can listen to anything we want at the snap of a finger its tougher to get to know a new album really well.
My favorite albums of all time, and the ones that hold the most memories, are the ones that lived in my car cd/cassette player for months at a time.

 

[Tenspro2002]

White collar jobs were better before bosses could reasonably expect to reach us 24/7.

 

[bendm]

I’d guess ~90% of the yard is over 35. Seems like the portion that shows it’s age is more like 50+

 

[Deepster]

The portion of the yard over age 35 (myself included) often shows their age when we fall into pleading for things to go back to the way the were. But sometimes we may be justified. Im thinking sports first, but there may be other areas of life where the new is just not as good (i.e. vacuum cleaners)

Was college bball better before NIL?
NFL better before the rule changes ( qb/wr protection)?
NBA better before 3 point revolution?
Golf better before LIV?

Music consumption better before streaming?
TV better before streaming?
Movies better before CGI?


Where are the old timers justified?
Is the new era better?

This could be like 8 different threads.

1) College sports was dying. Players needed some form of compensation. That said, there was something about getting a freshman and watching him 4 years that you rarely ever get anymore.

2) Football was way better. But not healthy so some rules changed there. And when the money got so big, you needed to protect the investments.

3) The 3 pointer has killed the sport of basketball.

4) This is the one I'll sound like a boomer on. Getting your paycheck or allowance, riding your bike to a record store, looking through the stacks, coming home and listening to a classic album start to finish, reading the liner notes. That's something kids will never experience.

5) TV was definitely NOT better before streaming. Streaming, non-network services have given us Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones, etc. Nothing before streaming compares to that level of product.

 

[storrsroars]

White collar jobs were better before bosses could reasonably expect to reach us 24/7.

I delayed getting a cell phone until 1998. Then when my company got RealNetworks that year as a client, I was told to get one. Those people had zero respect for time. It's only 8pm in Seattle, why not call Stamford, I'm sure he's up. Even on Sundays.

There are still great movies. But they rarely last long in theatres. CGI has done that. Thankfully streaming services allow good story-driven cinema to have a home.

Golf before LIV was basically golf with Tiger. So if you were a huge Tiger fan, sure. The majors are still a good watch more often than not.

The 3 point shot killed hoops the same way the 3 outcome at-bat killed baseball (at least before the rule changes to speed up MLB). It wasn't really the 3 pointer itself, it was the reliance on data showing it to be a more efficient scoring method, which contributed to the decline of intermediate shots.

Creating playlists is great. But if you took an album like, say, Physical Graffiti, you'd probably miss a whole lot of songs you'd eventually learn to love in favor of repeated listenings of Kashmir and other Zep "hits".

 

[Chin Diesel]

White collar jobs were better before bosses could reasonably expect to reach us 24/7.

That isn't a universal truth. I don't send anything work related to my team outside normal working hours unless it's an emergency and my boss only reaches out to me outside normal hours if it's an emergency.

 

[HCCForever]

White collar jobs were better before bosses could reasonably expect to reach us 24/7.

I used to just unplug my phone and told people the next day that I was out the night before if they tried to call me when I was not on call. That was before I was given a pager for my IT job.

 

[HCCForever]

4) This is the one I'll sound like a boomer on. Getting your paycheck or allowance, riding your bike to a record store, looking through the stacks, coming home and listening to a classic album start to finish, reading the liner notes. That's something kids will never experience.

I used to go to Caldors to get the newest releases. I believe this was every Tuesday. Now most people are too impatient to listen to a new album/music if unfamiliar tunes come on. Some songs take a few listens to enjoy.

 

[Kathy]

The portion of the yard over age 35 (myself included) often shows their age when we fall into pleading for things to go back to the way the were. But sometimes we may be justified. Im thinking sports first, but there may be other areas of life where the new is just not as good (i.e. vacuum cleaners)

Was college bball better before NIL?
NFL better before the rule changes ( qb/wr protection)?
NBA better before 3 point revolution?
Golf better before LIV?

Music consumption better before streaming?
TV better before streaming?
Movies better before CGI?


Where are the old timers justified?
Is the new era better?

I dont think NIL is hurting CBB as I've always thought players deserved compensation. I think the unlimited transfers are hurting CBB - I dont like the rent-a-player. I was always willing to go through a down year or two to watch a player blossom.

The 3 pointer used to be something special - I miss those players with a good mid-range game and the defense that went with it.

Agree with @Chin Diesel on Music - I still like an LP or CD with the notes/booklets that go with them. And I definately dont like the rise of AI generated music.

TV is much better with streaming

 

[Jaydumo20]

This could be like 8 different threads.

1) College sports was dying. Players needed some form of compensation. That said, there was something about getting a freshman and watching him 4 years that you rarely ever get anymore.

2) Football was way better. But not healthy so some rules changed there. And when the money got so big, you needed to protect the investments.

3) The 3 pointer has killed the sport of basketball.

4) This is the one I'll sound like a boomer on. Getting your paycheck or allowance, riding your bike to a record store, looking through the stacks, coming home and listening to a classic album start to finish, reading the liner notes. That's something kids will never experience.

5) TV was definitely NOT better before streaming. Streaming, non-network services have given us Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones, etc. Nothing before streaming compares to that level of product.

The album thing is huge.
My 3 year old kid was watching Charlie brown great pumpkin and the producer (Mendelson?) was talking about how for the great pumpkin and Xmas special 50% of the US population watched them at the same time when they premiered.
We never get that anymore outside maybe the superbowl.

 

[Waquoit]

I still haven't picked up a replacement since dumping YouTubeTV. I ended up watching the FB game this afternoon using a TV antenna.

 

[HCCForever]

The album thing is huge.
My 3 year old kid was watching Charlie brown great pumpkin and the producer (Mendelson?) was talking about how for the great pumpkin and Xmas special 50% of the US population watched them at the same time when they premiered.
We never get that anymore outside maybe the superbowl.

After Rob Reiner’s death they talked about the way we used to watch TV. Watching a show like “All in the Family” was a shared experience with many when we had three networks and no streaming and before VCRs. Nothing like it except for live sporting events or other rare events.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Not much is better today than the 90s

 

[storrsroars]

Not much is better today than the 90s

UConn sports is better 😉

I think a lot of things are better, maybe not across an entire category, but certainly pockets in just about every category.

The only thing I can think of that is unequivocally worse across the board is air travel.

 

[Vuce]

A couple of you have referenced this but in SO many ways life was better without cell phones and younger people will never understand that

Also - college sports were ruined by football (because that’s what drove realignment). It was definitely better when you had true regional conferences. Not the ridiculous mish mash of conference affiliations you have now

 

[navery12]

The portion of the yard over age 35 (myself included) often shows their age when we fall into pleading for things to go back to the way the were. But sometimes we may be justified. Im thinking sports first, but there may be other areas of life where the new is just not as good (i.e. vacuum cleaners)

Was college bball better before NIL?
NFL better before the rule changes ( qb/wr protection)?
NBA better before 3 point revolution?
Golf better before LIV?

Music consumption better before streaming?
TV better before streaming?
Movies better before CGI?


Where are the old timers justified?
Is the new era better?

Was college bball better before NIL? - Hard 100% no

NFL better before the rule changes ( qb/wr protection)? - Mostly no, but also the old school football was not sustainable without half the league ending up dead by 35

NBA better before 3 point revolution? - Hard 100% no

Golf better before LIV? - Maybe, but golf is irrelevant

Music consumption better before streaming? - No, but also not sure what's truly changed with streaming

TV better before streaming? - Hard 100% no, there's been so many all time shows post streaming

Movies better before CGI? - Before CGI definitely not, want to argue when everything was in theaters sure.

And I'm 32 for reference

 

[Scottobot]

The portion of the yard over age 35 (myself included) often shows their age when we fall into pleading for things to go back to the way the were. But sometimes we may be justified. Im thinking sports first, but there may be other areas of life where the new is just not as good (i.e. vacuum cleaners)

Was college bball better before NIL?
NFL better before the rule changes ( qb/wr protection)?
NBA better before 3 point revolution?
Golf better before LIV?

Music consumption better before streaming?
TV better before streaming?
Movies better before CGI?


Where are the old timers justified?
Is the new era better?

It is definitely worse for coaches. They have to recruit a new team every year, and they rarely get a chance to really get a chance to help a player grow over multiple years, which is probably the most rewarding aspect of coaching othet than the money.

It is mostly better for the players because they are not trapped on n a bad situation which happened alot in the old system. Also they deserve to share in the wealth they create. However sometimes a player would have been better off with a longer relationship with a coach.

I don’t like the way its worked out or how pay works in the nba either. All the money comes from fans and the fans want to see a team win. I think a portion of the money should be distributed to all players. The more you win the more ncaa games you play the greater your share of revenue. For distribution on a team split based on minutes played.

 

[Kitaman]

Yeah old way . . . . . . . I remember not having to use an area code to make a call.

 

[Chin Diesel]

NBA- move 3pt line. I'm all for moving it back about 5'.

I just miss seeing movement on all three l3vels and shooting from all three levels and maybe, just maybe some legit, back to the basket post players.

 

[HCCForever]

UConn sports is better 😉

I think a lot of things are better, maybe not across an entire category, but certainly pockets in just about every category.

The only thing I can think of that is unequivocally worse across the board is air travel.

I agree about UConn sports and air travel. I have watching UConn sports for 50 years but the 90!’s brought them much success.

Back in the mid 80’s a buddy and I took pictures with two flight attendants in the cockpit on a trip to Florida. Stuff like that impossible after 9-11. I also miss the inflight meals.

But back then we didn’t have wheels on our luggage and had to carry them around. Of course, I don’t remember so many people cramming the overhead bins.

 

[storrsroars]

I agree about UConn sports and air travel. I have watching UConn sports for 50 years but the 90!’s brought them much success.

Back in the mid 80’s a buddy and I took pictures with two flight attendants in the cockpit on a trip to Florida. Stuff like that impossible after 9-11. I also miss the inflight meals.

But back then we didn’t have wheels on our luggage and had to carry them around. Of course, I don’t remember so many people cramming the overhead bins.

There were wheels on luggage. But it took YT to understand how to pack a suit in one of those w/o wrinkling. And you didn't have to pay to have the airlines take it. Likely nobody under 50 understands what it's like to park at White Plains 15 minutes before the flight and board on time. Or get dropped off at a larger airport 30 minutes before departure. Was also much easier to book awards travel if you had the miles. And you didn't pay for aisle seats or legroom.

I will add one way air travel is better - no smoking. But that's about it.

 

[Zanzman]

Yeah old way . . . . . . . I remember not having to use an area code to make a call.
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