Irish fan on why UConn belongs in the ACC

[upstater]

The reason you've heard of Purdue but maybe not Bowling Green is athletics period. Their conference membership started solely for sports.

Here's my question though: why didn't the Ivy league's academic reputation suffer back when they were good at football?

Who hasn't heard of Bowling Green?

And, what era are you talking about when the Ivy's were good?

 

[noeynox]

Some fans of ACC schools, including ND, come here to say they feel UConn belongs in the ACC, and your attitude is 'screw the ACC' until we get in.

Not very friendly, is it? Especially when you are as defensive of the BeeOneGee and Rutgers as if you were in the former because the latter demanded you be admitted.

But UConn is not in the BeeOneGee, and only the naive think Rutgers has anyone involved with its sports who wants to share its NYC area status in the BeeOneGee with UConn, which would outshine poor pitiful Rutgers embarrassingly easily.

And why does such a common, for this UConn board anyway, pattern of openly despising the ACC bother those of who who have said we think UConn belongs in the ACC? Because one thing that conference commissioners and school ADs have learned from the past few years is that the opinions and attitudes of fans online matter. They matter so much that should the Big 12 come apart, and both the ACC and SEC expand to 16, WVU will get an invite from neither. The main reason is that WVU fans online have so befouled the reputation of the sports programs they love that nobody wants to get near them.

If UConn fans get a reputation for bitterness morphing into a WVU level of hatred for the ACC, then there may be little that UConn administrators can do to overcome the new bad reputation of UConn fans.

Now if UConn were absolutely certain of an invite from the BeeOneGee, and/or the Big 12, that might not be so bad. But any potential limiting of options in this climate is not the most wise path.

This is stupid. This sheet is all anonymous. Anyone can post here B/S, and claim they are UConn fans. Many UConn fans believe the ACC is our most natural fit. If you can make it happen, don't let us stop you.

 

[Adios]

Some fans of ACC schools, including ND, come here to say they feel UConn belongs in the ACC, and your attitude is 'screw the ACC' until we get in.

Not very friendly, is it? Especially when you are as defensive of the BeeOneGee and Rutgers as if you were in the former because the latter demanded you be admitted.

But UConn is not in the BeeOneGee, and only the naive think Rutgers has anyone involved with its sports who wants to share its NYC area status in the BeeOneGee with UConn, which would outshine poor pitiful Rutgers embarrassingly easily.

And why does such a common, for this UConn board anyway, pattern of openly despising the ACC bother those of who who have said we think UConn belongs in the ACC? Because one thing that conference commissioners and school ADs have learned from the past few years is that the opinions and attitudes of fans online matter. They matter so much that should the Big 12 come apart, and both the ACC and SEC expand to 16, WVU will get an invite from neither. The main reason is that WVU fans online have so befouled the reputation of the sports programs they love that nobody wants to get near them.

If UConn fans get a reputation for bitterness morphing into a WVU level of hatred for the ACC, then there may be little that UConn administrators can do to overcome the new bad reputation of UConn fans.

Now if UConn were absolutely certain of an invite from the BeeOneGee, and/or the Big 12, that might not be so bad. But any potential limiting of options in this climate is not the most wise path.

God Almighty. What a melodramatic person you are. Who gives a duckk. We have more championships in sports other than football than ND. As you've seen, we're gladly welcomed by many in your beloved Big 10 and many of us want to go there. Have fun with Louisville and Clemson. And Syracuse and Boston College. And Temple.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

Neil Armstrong and the 25 other Purdue grads that have flown in space beg to differ.

Are you arguing my point or did you mean to wiki up the famous alumni of Rose-Hulman?

 

[BlueHen]

Some fans of ACC schools, including ND, come here to say they feel UConn belongs in the ACC, and your attitude is 'screw the ACC' until we get in.

Not very friendly, is it? Especially when you are as defensive of the BeeOneGee and Rutgers as if you were in the former because the latter demanded you be admitted.

But UConn is not in the BeeOneGee, and only the naive think Rutgers has anyone involved with its sports who wants to share its NYC area status in the BeeOneGee with UConn, which would outshine poor pitiful Rutgers embarrassingly easily.

And why does such a common, for this UConn board anyway, pattern of openly despising the ACC bother those of who who have said we think UConn belongs in the ACC? Because one thing that conference commissioners and school ADs have learned from the past few years is that the opinions and attitudes of fans online matter. They matter so much that should the Big 12 come apart, and both the ACC and SEC expand to 16, WVU will get an invite from neither. The main reason is that WVU fans online have so befouled the reputation of the sports programs they love that nobody wants to get near them.

If UConn fans get a reputation for bitterness morphing into a WVU level of hatred for the ACC, then there may be little that UConn administrators can do to overcome the new bad reputation of UConn fans.

Now if UConn were absolutely certain of an invite from the BeeOneGee, and/or the Big 12, that might not be so bad. But any potential limiting of options in this climate is not the most wise path.

Until the AyeCeeCee adds UConn, screw 'em. They have passed on us multiple times, I'm not gonna kiss their ass just to appease some trolls that show up on this message board.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

And why does such a common, for this UConn board anyway, pattern of openly despising the ACC bother those of who who have said we think UConn belongs in the ACC? Because one thing that conference commissioners and school ADs have learned from the past few years is that the opinions and attitudes of fans online matter.

If UConn fans get a reputation for bitterness morphing into a WVU level of hatred for the ACC, then there may be little that UConn administrators can do to overcome the new bad reputation of UConn fans.

Now if UConn were absolutely certain of an invite from the BeeOneGee, and/or the Big 12, that might not be so bad. But any potential limiting of options in this climate is not the most wise path.

Let me get this straight...you're saying, without irony, that if we don't kiss your a on here, we could prevent UConn from getting an ACC invite?

Well excuse me, highness. I'll remember to genuflect next time.

Seriously, you've got some nerve. I suspect you really came here to cast pearls before swine. When you didn't get the adoration you expected, you post this drivel.

1) I don't need to apologize for my bitterness to anyone. It's warranted hate. It's justified. It's motivating. As a fan base we will not forget or forgive.

2) You deserve to be mocked mercilessly for these comments. They're preposterous. You have no credibility left.

Good day.

 

[Durks07]

Some fans of ACC schools, including ND, come here to say they feel UConn belongs in the ACC, and your attitude is 'screw the ACC' until we get in. Oh, well now I feel bad. I promise we will play nice from now on.

Not very friendly, is it? Especially when you are as defensive of the BeeOneGee and Rutgers as if you were in the former because the latter demanded you be admitted. Maybe it is "unfriendly," as you say, but it becomes warranted when you suggest that we should share your opinion. I think you mistake "defensive" of the B1G [oh no, I'm semi-illiterate now!] for preferring that conference to joining the ACC given an option. Defensive of Rutgers you say? Point out where our members are defending the addition of Rutgers. One source or one quote that shows that any UConn fan here thinks that Rutgers was a brilliant addition from an athletic standpoint. Is it possible that you are confusing understanding the financial purpose behind the decision as a tacit approval of the decision-making. That seems more likely, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you don't see the irony in you having the gall to intimate that anyone else is semi-literate. The latter demanded that we be admitted? When? Where? To who? In what context? Did it actually happen or are you trying to grasp any straw you can to rationalize why anyone would prefer a conference other than the ACC? I'll save you the trouble: That has not happened. If you want to throw your opinion around this board, then fine, but don't make things up.

But UConn is not in the BeeOneGee, and only the naive think Rutgers has anyone involved with its sports who wants to share its NYC area status in the BeeOneGee with UConn, which would outshine poor pitiful Rutgers embarrassingly easily. I'd love to see the quote from this board anywhere that suggests that Rutgers wants to "share NYC" with UConn from a UConn fan. By the way, there is an ACC member who feels exactly this way towards UConn with regards to New England.

And why does such a common, for this UConn board anyway, pattern of openly despising the ACC bother those of who who have said we think UConn belongs in the ACC? Because one thing that conference commissioners and school ADs have learned from the past few years is that the opinions and attitudes of fans online matter. They matter so much that should the Big 12 come apart, and both the ACC and SEC expand to 16, WVU will get an invite from neither. The main reason is that WVU fans online have so befouled the reputation of the sports programs they love that nobody wants to get near them. WVU befouled the reputation of its fans well before they were invited to the Big 12, and that didn't stop them from driving a Brinks truck through the meth labs and moonshine distilleries to pay them. Side note: If you are going to use a definite phrase such as "the main reason" to prove [sorry, state your opinion] a point, then provide a link to support it. Not one person who has brain cells reads this and believes it.

If UConn fans get a reputation for bitterness morphing into a WVU level of hatred for the ACC, then there may be little that UConn administrators can do to overcome the new bad reputation of UConn fans. What good did the "good reputation" of Uconn fans do for it over the past few years?

Now if UConn were absolutely certain of an invite from the BeeOneGee, and/or the Big 12, that might not be so bad. But any potential limiting of options in this climate is not the most wise path. I'll make sure to tell John Swofford next time I see him that we're just really passionate.

 

[TerryD]

Until the AyeCeeCee adds UConn, screw 'em. They have passed on us multiple times, I'm not gonna kiss their ass just to appease some trolls that show up on this message board.

I agree with you. Like I said, that is part of the reason ND wants nothing to do with the Big Ten. So, I understand the sentiment.

 

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[NotreDameJoe]

Back on topic. Would you rather your most distant road trips be in Miami or Minnesota?

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Back on topic. Would you rather your most distant road trips be in Miami or Minnesota?[/quot
In Sept or Nov?

 

[NotreDameJoe]

Reminds me, I don't seem to see BC hosting the Florida schools in November although they do host the mid Atlantic ones.

 

[CL82]

While the hate comes thru loud and clear, it does have to at least be based on some reality for the hate... and there's plenty to hitch your wagon too if thats your thing re. coming up with a reason to hate BC... but football fan interest comparison shouldn't be one to hitch your wagon too, it seems to me... not when BC had a larger home attendance at its football games last season than Uconn football did. If you're telling me that " no one in Mass cares about BC Football " then what does it say about Uconn football, when BC football attendence ( not where it tneeds to be by any stretch ) was still higher last season than for that for Uconn football. Look, I don't make the specious and ridiculous claim that " nobody cares about Uconn football in Connecticut " ( clearly untrue as well ), so lets not state an equally ridiculous claim re. BC football interest in a state I've lived in for a lot of years and would tend to know the level of football interest in the state pretty well,... good, bad, or indifferent regarding it.

Being a coward has it costs. Back in the day, BC had one of the premier sports programs in New England. Now it is, at best, the 3rd best basketball program in Massachusetts. Great programs play and defeat all comers. Hiding from people is a short term strategy and it has it costs. BCU fading into obscurity is one of those costs.

 

[BlueMAB]

Back on topic. Would you rather your most distant road trips be in Miami or Minnesota?

Pasadena

 

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[NotreDameJoe]

okay but its pretty tough to get UCLA ooc.

Happy Easter Huskies.

 

[huskypantz]

Back on topic. Would you rather your most distant road trips be in Miami or Minnesota?

If both conferences were equally stable, I would prefer the ACC. I'm not the only one on this board that feels that way. If we get an invite to either conference you can be assured two things - there will be 1000 posts talking about how excited we are to be in conference X and 1000 posts about why UConn should have held out for an invite to conference Y.

 

[Stray_Dog]

I agree with you. Like I said, that is part of the reason ND wants nothing to do with the Big Ten. So, I understand the sentiment.

Finally an ND fan gets it and is willing to admit to it. Now that being said, the difference between ND and UConn is their ability to go independent and our need to be a part of a P5 conference. So, if the ACC now asked us to join, I would be very cautious, I would want to know why up front. Therefore UConn would have to spin this in a very positive way for their fans. ...And I suspect many of us would like being in a P5 but unhappy at the level of stability. Either the ACC or the Big 12 or both will implode and either one of them survives or a new conference is created from the best of those pieces that are left. SO if we are invited, sure, I'll be happy to play those teams that supported and a win at all cost against those that went for our jugular - like BC!

 

[SouthronCross]

And what do they(admin's) have in common (NC/RU/NJ)?.JD. With the fans its a different story. I was under the impression NC was loaded with NY/NJ metro kids?

Nicky, just my own POV...

In spite of our academic screwups...which are too many for me to even fathom at this point...the Carolina administration see the University as similar to B1G schools in their commitment to balance athletics and acadmics. They see Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, etc, as peer institutions. Even though all of the B1G schools, save NW, are much larger schools, attendance-wise.

You can all now laugh at the academic part.

That is the same reasoning the TR schools, UVA, and, UMD used with regards to UConn. The balance between the two.

 

[SouthronCross]

Don't forget the pissing match between FSU and Tobacco Road before all this went down. A BOT member at FSU called out Tobacco Road for hoarding bball 3rd tier rights while selling football 3rd tier rights down the river.

And, that former FSU BOT member, Andy haggard, was shown to have been 100 percent incorrect when he spoke. TR had done nothing of the sort. He was too busy listening to message board nonsense, rather than taking the time to actually find out the truth of the matter.

FSU was in a public skirmish with Tobacco Road in the summer prior to Maryland announcing its intention to leave. And that was the backdrop when FSU sussed out that UConn was already "penned in" (to quote Louisville's AD) and decided to use some white-out and use its muscle.

That is spot on.

 

[SouthronCross]

I guess he is implying the B1G is and will be academically superior to the ACC.

Thats always been the implication. So what?

The ACC held its nose when it added UL. Again, so what? Nebraska, while probably more well-thought of than Louisville, is certainly not some academic bellwether of the great plains. Do not forget, the B1G decided to sidestep their so-called 'requirement' that any new member be an AAU institution, to bring them in.

Yet, the ACC is the one getting ripped for altering its membership requirements.

And, some fans keep banging on about how much more money the B1G will be making than the ACC. Thats always been the case, too. How much has it helped them on the gridiron and the hardwood?

 

[Ha Who]

Thats always been the implication. So what?

The ACC held its nose when it added UL. Again, so what? Nebraska, while probably more well-thought of than Louisville, is certainly not some academic bellwether of the great plains. Do not forget, the B1G decided to sidestep their so-called 'requirement' that any new member be an AAU institution, to bring them in.

Yet, the ACC is the one getting ripped for altering its membership requirements.

And, some fans keep banging on about how much more money the B1G will be making than the ACC. Thats always been the case, too. How much has it helped them on the gridiron and the hardwood?

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[NickyNewark]

Thats always been the implication. So what?

The ACC held its nose when it added UL. Again, so what? Nebraska, while probably more well-thought of than Louisville, is certainly not some academic bellwether of the great plains. Do not forget, the B1G decided to sidestep their so-called 'requirement' that any new member be an AAU institution, to bring them in.

Yet, the ACC is the one getting ripped for altering its membership requirements.

And, some fans keep banging on about how much more money the B1G will be making than the ACC. Thats always been the case, too. How much has it helped them on the gridiron and the hardwood?

not really SC Nebraska only lost it(AAU) after being in the B1G about 11 monthes IIR? UMich voted with 1 or 2 other B1G schools nay on UN even though they were now conference brothers i think?

 

[upstater]

not really SC Nebraska only lost it(AAU) after being in the B1G about 11 monthes IIR? UMich voted with 1 or 2 other B1G schools nay on UN even though they were now conference brothers i think?

Before Nebraska was added to the B1G, Michigan and Nebraska were at work rigging their ouster from the AAU.

 

[TerryD]

Finally an ND fan gets it and is willing to admit to it. Now that being said, the difference between ND and UConn is their ability to go independent and our need to be a part of a P5 conference. So, if the ACC now asked us to join, I would be very cautious, I would want to know why up front. Therefore UConn would have to spin this in a very positive way for their fans. ...And I suspect many of us would like being in a P5 but unhappy at the level of stability. Either the ACC or the Big 12 or both will implode and either one of them survives or a new conference is created from the best of those pieces that are left. SO if we are invited, sure, I'll be happy to play those teams that supported and a win at all cost against those that went for our jugular - like BC!

I have been saying this for a while now. Even though the Michigan/Big 10 slights were a while back, ND people will never forget them and will dislike the Big Ten forever.

If the anti-ACC animus of UConn fans is deep and real (and I believe it is), then UConn fans should understand the deep dislike by ND of the Big Ten.

Factor that in whenever you hear someone say "ND is a natural fit in the Big Ten". That conference is the last choice and worst case scenario for ND. It doesn't matter if "local rivals" are there, or reduced travel costs or even a lot more TV money were available there.

I say that even if full membership in the ACC or Big Ten were the only choices. I strongly believe that ND would choose the ACC, even for less cash. Not many ND fans, alumni or administrators want ND to join the Big Ten, no matter what.

ND turned down the Big Ten in 1999 and rejected Jim Delany's "overtures" after 2010 (full court press or alleged "checkmate"---read the sports "journalists" then anointing Jim Delany as the "smartest man in sports" because they thought he had "checkmated" ND into joining because of the BTN revenues).

ND has completely cast its lot with the ACC, including the exit fee, GOR and the contract that requires ND to join the ACC if it decides to join a football conference before 2027.

That was a complete, total and hopefully final rejection by ND of the Big Ten. I think the latter finally got the message and has since moved on, hopefully.

ND is not going to join the Big Ten.

It would be like the Americans surrendering to the Japanese at Bataan. It would be an ultimate defeat and a total surrender for ND, the last possible choice, a true gun to the head option for ND to ever agree to join that conference. No other options would have to exist for that to ever remotely happen.

So, I totally understand the reluctance and distaste of UConn fans who want nothing to do with the ACC.

(I still want UConn to join, but mainly because of my dislike for the Big Ten. I don't want them to expand).

But, I certainly get that the feeling of many UConn fans understandibly is "screw the ACC" and that they much prefer the Big Ten unless the ACC is the only way out of the AAC.

 

[huskypantz]

If the anti-ACC animus of UConn fans is deep and real (and I believe it is), then UConn fans should understand the deep dislike by ND of the Big Ten.

It comes and goes. We would conditionally love the ACC if they picked us over UL. Same went for the Cuse/Pitt round and BC, VT/UM before that. If they throw us a life raft, we'll love them again. Until that day, as far as we're concerned the teams in that conference want us to fail - we are highly successful and we are the enemy.

 

[MSNDfan]

Thats always been the implication. So what?

The ACC held its nose when it added UL. Again, so what? Nebraska, while probably more well-thought of than Louisville, is certainly not some academic bellwether of the great plains. Do not forget, the B1G decided to sidestep their so-called 'requirement' that any new member be an AAU institution, to bring them in.

Yet, the ACC is the one getting ripped for altering its membership requirements.

And, some fans keep banging on about how much more money the B1G will be making than the ACC. Thats always been the case, too. How much has it helped them on the gridiron and the hardwood?

Your last sentence is the most important in all this money talk. Not merely the typical idiot fan but sports journalists get all giddy talking about how rich the BeeOneGee will be, richer than anybody, and then we'll see it win all time.

The BeeOneGee has been the wealthiest conference in the country since it was founded. If you are the wealthiest conference for 100 consecutive years, and all that money has not made you the king of either revenue sport, all that money, decade after decade, has not kept your revenue sports from being high middling (basketball) or boringly bland middling (football), then why would extra TV money from NYC and DC cable rates suddenly make you king of the hill?

The BeeOneGee will remain the richest and most bloated, with strings of flops on the national stage.

 

[MSNDfan]

I have been saying this for a while now. Even though the Michigan/Big 10 slights were a while back, ND people will never forget them and will dislike the Big Ten forever.

If the anti-ACC animus of UConn fans is deep and real (and I believe it is), then UConn fans should understand the deep dislike by ND of the Big Ten.

Factor that in whenever you hear someone say "ND is a natural fit in the Big Ten". That conference is the last choice and worst case scenario for ND. It doesn't matter if "local rivals" are there, or reduced travel costs or even a lot more TV money were available there.

I say that even if full membership in the ACC or Big Ten were the only choices. I strongly believe that ND would choose the ACC, even for less cash. Not many ND fans, alumni or administrators want ND to join the Big Ten, no matter what.

ND turned down the Big Ten in 1999 and rejected Jim Delany's "overtures" after 2010 (full court press or alleged "checkmate"---read the sports "journalists" then anointing Jim Delany as the "smartest man in sports" because they thought he had "checkmated" ND into joining because of the BTN revenues).

ND has completely cast its lot with the ACC, including the exit fee, GOR and the contract that requires ND to join the ACC if it decides to join a football conference before 2027.

That was a complete, total and hopefully final rejection by ND of the Big Ten. I think the latter finally got the message and has since moved on, hopefully.

ND is not going to join the Big Ten.

It would be like the Americans surrendering to the Japanese at Bataan. It would be an ultimate defeat and a total surrender for ND, the last possible choice, a true gun to the head option for ND to ever agree to join that conference. No other options would have to exist for that to ever remotely happen.

So, I totally understand the reluctance and distaste of UConn fans who want nothing to do with the ACC.

(I still want UConn to join, but mainly because of my dislike for the Big Ten. I don't want them to expand).

But, I certainly get that the feeling of many UConn fans is "screw the ACC" and that they much prefer the Big Ten unless the ACC is the only way out of the AAC.

Everybody who thinks about where and with whom ND belongs should read this.

Out lot is with the ACC, permanently. And part of that is our confidence that the ACC is never going to try to force us to become a full member of ACC football.

The one thing I have trouble with is your basically equating our desire to remain free and clear of the BT with UConn fan hatred of the ACC. The most powerful AD in the BT led a powerful campaign to have BT teams boycott ND. It was so successful that our entire scheduling strategy had to change. The calls to boycott ND were open and common for decades, right into the Ara Parseghian era.

Nothing comparable has happened with the ACC and UConn. The closest is BC not wanting to play UConn, and that is because of the UConn lawsuits.

 

[itgoeslike]

There are certainly parallels. You've asserted that the Big Ten took action to shut out ND and undermine its growth in terms of stature and revenue. Many view ACC past actions as well as the P5 power grab as having the same impact.

 

[Yawkey Way]

Being a coward has it costs. Back in the day, BC had one of the premier sports programs in New England. Now it is, at best, the 3rd best basketball program in Massachusetts. Great programs play and defeat all comers. Hiding from people is a short term strategy and it has it costs. BCU fading into obscurity is one of those costs.

Maybe BC fades into " obscurity". in football in the future, and then again, maybe it won't. BC went to a Bowl Game last year while it was in transition under its its new 1st year head football coach.. and was even with eventual football National Champion FSU into the 4th quarter before FSU ultimately prevailed., and had its RB make the Heisman Finalist selection round for the national TV telecast Awards in NYC... and its 2013 football recruiting from all reports is up over anything seen from its last 5 years. So I'm quite not sure how you arrive at your assessment that BC football is " fading into obscurity". Thats an overblown assessment that has your hate clouding your thinking perhaps ,... but then again, everyone of course is entitled to their own assessments on what they observe as well.