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If Delaney wants to be evil he will invite an acc team and uconn and force them to add cincy. If the big 10 takes 2 acc teams, they can just stay at 12, unless the big 12 moves in, which they probably would.

Too many variables folks, just let it play out.
 
There have been quotes posted on this board of people that don't believe the B1G will ever be a 14 team league. Who does the B1G add? We saw with Texas remaining in the B-12 that schools would prefer to be in a conference that they essentially run over more money, so this leads me to believe that UNC will not leave the ACC for the B1G. Also I know that UNC considers themselves a southern culture so if they were to go anywhere they would prefer SEC. We also know that Notre Dame doesnt plan on leaving independence anytime soon.

So if the B1G were to go to 16 maybe they add UVA who else do they add? I don't buy Georgia Tech as a realistic option as because I don't believe the the B1G wants to add a team that is so far second second in their state to an SEC school. Also assuming UNC doesn't bite GT would be quite an outlier in the B1G but I don't think that would be a deal breaker.

FSU? Maybe They would be an extreme outlier in the B1G but I don't believe they are as high on the B-12 as most here. I think that they add enough to the B-12 that if they really had interest in the B-12 they would probably be there by now. The B1G played with 11 for several years so FSU wouldn't need someone else to go with them. Not sold that the B1G would want FSU but I could see it as a possibility.

If the B1G were to add FSU I think UVA makes less sense much like UCONN, UVA adds another mouth to feed in a market the B1G already has access to.

See how some posters can desire a B1G invite? None of the options for B1G expansion are perfect. Not trying to antagonize what is your opinion besides the B1G won't add UCONN?

I agree with most of this but:
- UNC would prefer the SEC but politically they can't leave NC State an orphan. UNC to B1G and NC State to SEC gets both to safe harbors. UNC to SEC and NC State to B1G may not be available.
- What this shows is that B1G and SEC moves into North Carolina have to happen simultaneously.
- The B1G probably won't go to Georgia Tech or points south (FSU) unless they have a contiguous footprint, ie UNC. So UNC to B1G could open up Ga Tech and FSU to B1G, maybe Duke and Clemson too.
- If B1G doesn't cover the southeast seaboard, the B12 will.
- So every part of the endgame, except the Virginia schools' decisions, depends on what UNC does. But UNC is the most loyal to the ACC and the least likely to break it up.
- So to crack the ACC, the B1G and/or SEC have to break into Virginia first.

The easy move at this point is UVa to B1G and Va Tech to SEC. That weakens the ACC further and motivates the remaining teams to negotiate moves. If the B1G feels they need to bring in 2 schools to get to 16, UConn could be #16.
 
I know people more in the know, and more powerful, than you do. You can keep going at the masses to improve your 'like' count, or you can talk to reporters and administrators who actually make decisions.

Maryland added tangible value. Rutgers added tangible value. Connecticut is a total redundancy. Adds little more than another mouth to feed. That is reality.

When you decide to start talking to real people and not West Virginia message board morons, get back to me. I'm sure you think the WVU guys are all over it.

Go get your frigging shine box.

How about you go F.uc.k. yourself, cool?
 
- UNC would prefer the SEC but politically they can't leave NC State an orphan. UNC to B1G and NC State to SEC gets both to safe harbors. UNC to SEC and NC State to B1G may not be available.
Wouldn't you think that if protecting NCState was a factor pushing UNC to the B1G there would be more pressure to just keep them where they are and keep the ACC together as it seems like they will be the domino that would lead to the ACC being torn apart?
 
Still waiting for the compelling case for a B1G interest in UNC now. Nothing against the Tar Heels, just an illogical next target. Even the professional leagues don't attempt to carry New York with just one team. Each of the four major leagues has at least two teams situated in greater New York. But the B1G is going to do it with just Rutgers? Beyond New York, you're saying the B1G is going to carry the Boston-Washington region with just 3 teams? The NFL thinks they need six. So does baseball...so does hockey. The NBA is soldiering on with just five. That's how big the region and New York are. Nine teams in New York and 23 in the northeast and the B1G's plan is to tackle all that with just Rutgers, UMD, and UVA? Why? So they can (possibly) fall on their swords in North Carolina? Baseball doesn't consider North Carolina worth a team. And football and hockey need both states as a package deal (Carolina Panthers and Hurricanes) in order to find the region worthy of a franchise.

100% disagree. I've been following Big Ten expansion for years and years at this point. There is ZERO doubt that the Big Ten would take UNC within 2 seconds if the Tar Heels were willing. ZERO doubt. Can I repeat that again? ZERO DOUBT. I can't emphasize that enough. Outside of Texas and Notre Dame, UNC is next on the desired list for the Big Ten. Now, the issue is whether UNC is willing to move (which is MUCH easier said than done, as they're not as swayed by TV money). That's an entirely different matter. However, the Big Ten 100% *wants* UNC. Period. It's not even a debate. The logic that you're trying to use to twist it into the Big Ten somehow not looking at UNC or even being less desirable than other Northeastern options simply doesn't apply. The items that you noted about pro sports in North Carolina is *exactly* why UNC is so desirable - it's a massive and growing state where UNC is the single most popular team, whether college or pro, without question. This is compared to the Northeast, where college sports teams rank far below the corresponding pro options.

You also believe that the Big Ten is focused on getting further into the Northeast. I have very heavy doubts about that. Sure, it's an option in the event that Notre Dame changes its mind and joins the Big Ten. Then, you can viably double down on NYC and Boston. However, barring a decision by ND in that manner, Maryland and Rutgers provided three things: (1) very large public research institutions *directly* located in the DC and NYC metro areas, (2) states that are growing faster than the national average and (3) places that actually produce a critical mass of football recruits. (Delany doesn't like saying too much publicly about #3, but don't be so naive to think that this is just an exercise about collecting TV markets and research institutions. This money train that's coming in will only last long-term if the conference is positioned to continue to play football at the highest level. When he says "demographics", that's a code word for "places where we can get great athletes, particularly football players".) The thing that so much of the East Coast-based media neglects to mention when talking about Census figures is that much of the Northeast outside of NYC and DC specifically is facing the exact same demographic challenges as the Midwest. Sure, it's not as bad as Detroit (nothing is), but it's pretty much in line with places like Ohio, Illinois and Wisconsin (and actually worse than places like Indiana and Minnesota that are growing at a decent clip). So, you have to realize that demographically, New England *isn't* a big growth area and when it comes to football recruiting, it's literally the worst region on a per capita basis (and even bad on an absolute basis compared to places with much smaller populations like Hawaii) in the country.

Beyond football, there are a decent number of Big Ten grads that move to New England simply because Boston has a large metro area, but you have to realize that it's also one of the weakest destinations for Big Ten alums to move to on a per capita basis, as well. So, the network effects are very low for the Big Ten in Boston compared to NYC and DC and *especially* compared to North Carolina, Georgia and Florida. Those 3 states plus Texas are where Big Ten grads (and Midwesterners in general) are moving to the most right now. Hmmm... who is being rumored to be the Big Ten's top targets again? Do you see how it makes sense?

There are many reasons why the Big Ten can't pull off adding UVA, UNC and Georgia Tech. In fact, I'm an on-the-record skeptic of that occurring. However, it is *definitely* not because the Big Ten isn't targeting them for some reason. They definitely are doing so and they are at the top of the list. Make no mistake about that. This is what Jim Delany is specifically talking about when talking about demographics. It also isn't recent, as I can tell you with complete certainty that when Delany spoke with his ADs back in 2010 about expansion (before they added Nebraska), the rumors that you're hearing now were what they were talking about for long-term plans for the conference. It's been in the works for a loooong time. Whether those schools will actually bite is a different story.
 
There are many reasons why the Big Ten can't pull off adding UVA, UNC and Georgia Tech. In fact, I'm an on-the-record skeptic of that occurring. However, it is *definitely* not because the Big Ten isn't targeting them for some reason. They definitely are doing so and they are at the top of the list. Make no mistake about that. This is what Jim Delany is specifically talking about when talking about demographics. It also isn't recent, as I can tell you with complete certainty that when Delany spoke with his ADs back in 2010 about expansion (before they added Nebraska), the rumors that you're hearing now were what they were talking about for long-term plans for the conference. It's been in the works for a loooong time. Whether those schools will actually bite is a different story.

You really think B1G really like Gtech or only works with adding UNC? I understand they have some value and there a a lot of B1G grads in Georgia but Gtech is the little brother in their own town and the B1G will always be second to SEC in ATL. I have heard Gtech as a rumor for a target for a long time I just think the B1G is too smart/has too much pride to add them.
 
If Herbst's moves on the academic side are to try and get in the Big Ten, other than to try and improve the academic side, then she's insane.

They're moves to help the university academically. That's it. That's all it is.

And that's all it should be. If it happens to help their case with the Big Ten, great. But that has never been, nor should ever be, the goal, especially since THE BIG TEN HAS NO INTEREST IN UCONN.
I'd go a step further and say if she's doing this just to make UConn appealing to the Big 10, she's not just insane. She's incompetent. I agree with you that UConn isn't on the BIG's radar. Well maybe on its radar but only a spec. If they go to 20 maybe something happens. Our hope for a soft landing is as it has always been to end up in the ACC. It makes the most sense. it puts us with regional rivals, it puts us with like universities. Hockey East makes sense for hockey because it is the primary regional league for what is a regional sport. The Big 10 Hockey conference doesn't even play a game until next year and nobody can really say whether or not it will be successful. As of today, it would be a pretty sorry league. Only Minnesota and Wisconsin have winning records. If you look at the PWR (sort of like the RPI in hoops)only Minnesota is is in the Top 10. You have to go all the way to #20 before finding another future B-10 HC member.
 
I know people more in the know, and more powerful, than you do. You can keep going at the masses to improve your 'like' count, or you can talk to reporters and administrators who actually make decisions.

Maryland added tangible value. Rutgers added tangible value. Connecticut is a total redundancy. Adds little more than another mouth to feed. That is reality.

When you decide to start talking to real people and not West Virginia message board morons, get back to me. I'm sure you think the WVU guys are all over it.

Go get your frigging shine box.

You know that at both those schools, less than a handful of people knew, and even they didn't know until very close to the actual offer day. It was basically Delaney, their presidents, and their ADs. So the big bad powerful people that you know, wouldn't know even if it was happening.

Just wanted to clarify that. Not even going to get into all the other bogus crap you are spewing. Redundancy? Which B1G team is in New England again?
 
You really think B1G really like Gtech or only works with adding UNC? I understand they have some value and there a a lot of B1G grads in Georgia but Gtech is the little brother in their own town and the B1G will always be second to SEC in ATL. I have heard Gtech as a rumor for a target for a long time I just think the B1G is too smart/has too much pride to add them.

If I were running the Big Ten, I'd agree with you about Atlanta always being an SEC town and that's why I'm *personally* hesitant to add Georgia Tech. However, I've heard way too much about the league desiring GT to pass it off. It's pretty much following the same pattern as what I've heard about the Big Ten's interest in Maryland over the the years.

The caveat is that I very highly doubt that GT would be a lone outlier move. Instead, it would be in conjunction with a larger southward expansion (e.g. UVA, UNC, GT and maybe FSU). The Big Ten is still #2 in Atlanta at that point, but there's a critical mass of regional schools (plus the other Big Ten grads) that send enough people to that metro market where the conference is a legit contender there (much like the ACC itself is now) as opposed to simply a conference that happens to have a single outpost with no network effects. ACC-level interest in Atlanta for the Big Ten is absolutely worth it because that market specifically is arguably the single best college football TV market in the country when taking into account both size and ratings. (Nothing competes with Birmingham in terms of college football ratings just like nothing compared with Green Bay in terms of NFL ratings, but Atlanta is far larger and it beats places like NYC in terms of sheer college football viewers.) Combine that with owning all sides of the DC market (both Maryland and NOVA), the top school in North Carolina, and splitting up Florida, and the Big Ten trumps everyone in conference realignment by a wide margin.
 
I'd go a step further and say if she's doing this just to make UConn appealing to the Big 10, she's not just insane. She's incompetent. I agree with you that UConn isn't on the BIG's radar. Well maybe on its radar but only a spec. If they go to 20 maybe something happens. Our hope for a soft landing is as it has always been to end up in the ACC. It makes the most sense. it puts us with regional rivals, it puts us with like universities. Hockey East makes sense for hockey because it is the primary regional league for what is a regional sport. The Big 10 Hockey conference doesn't even play a game until next year and nobody can really say whether or not it will be successful. As of today, it would be a pretty sorry league. Only Minnesota and Wisconsin have winning records. If you look at the PWR (sort of like the RPI in hoops)only Minnesota is is in the Top 10. You have to go all the way to #20 before finding another future B-10 HC member.

If you can believe it, UConn is higher in the ice hockey RPI than half of the future B1G hockey conference.

I doubt this will be true from year to year. But it's true in this one.
 
Another thing no one is really talking about are cable companies. The other day on WFAN they were having an interesting conversation and I immediately thought about B1G Network.

The basis of the conversation was with media and online streaming and how internet cable is starting to come out and they are offering ala carte packaging which makes it more appealing to people since they can only pay for the channels they want and the channels they actually watch.

It moved to how cable companies are very, very against it but consumers are getting fed up with being forced to pay higher fees because channels get added to basic packages or part of other packages that people typically order. The baby boomers are getting older and they aren't going to want to be paying $100+ a month for cable subscriptions with 60% of the stations they are paying for channels they dont even want.

Basically the conclusion was that in the future, 5-10 years, down the road that cable companies are going to be forced to change to ala carte to keep up with online cable being offered. They were comparing it to Netflix and other streaming media that has exploded and given the consumer the ability to pick and choose what they want when they want it.

If this trend does hit regular cable then places the B1G is rumored of expanding, Georgia, Florida, other SEC states would make zero sense logistically. Not only would they be a 2nd rate product but who in those states is going to pick up the B1G Network in their ala carte packaging. The only way the B1G comes out favorably is having their network forced to customers by cable carriers.
 
You also believe that the Big Ten is focused on getting further into the Northeast. I have very heavy doubts about that. Sure, it's an option in the event that Notre Dame changes its mind and joins the Big Ten. Then, you can viably double down on NYC and Boston. However, barring a decision by ND in that manner, Maryland and Rutgers provided three things: (1) very large public research institutions *directly* located in the DC and NYC metro areas, (2) states that are growing faster than the national average and (3) places that actually produce a critical mass of football recruits. (Delany doesn't like saying too much publicly about #3, but don't be so naive to think that this is just an exercise about collecting TV markets and research institutions. This money train that's coming in will only last long-term if the conference is positioned to continue to play football at the highest level. When he says "demographics", that's a code word for "places where we can get great athletes, particularly football players".) The thing that so much of the East Coast-based media neglects to mention when talking about Census figures is that much of the Northeast outside of NYC and DC specifically is facing the exact same demographic challenges as the Midwest. Sure, it's not as bad as Detroit (nothing is), but it's pretty much in line with places like Ohio, Illinois and Wisconsin (and actually worse than places like Indiana and Minnesota that are growing at a decent clip). So, you have to realize that demographically, New England *isn't* a big growth area and when it comes to football recruiting, it's literally the worst region on a per capita basis (and even bad on an absolute basis compared to places with much smaller populations like Hawaii) in the country.

Connecticut appears to be a hotbed of pretty much nothing except Insurance and History and yet we have, arguably, if not the #1 basketball brand over the past 2 decades, then top 5, we have been invited to the best hockey conference, we have great ratings on SNY and are flying up the charts academically, and still rising. So how the heck were all those things pulled off as worthless as our state and market is? If Jim Delaney has completely dismissed UConn as some here want to believe, he is not as smart as everyone says he is.
 
I think Frank brings up some valid points... That said I (personally) still think there is a lot of value in the total number of people in our region and the density. Not that it won't change over time but it won't fall off a cliff, either. I think there is value (dollar, and less tangible value) in bringing B1G teams and competition to this region. It's not just the value that UConn adds in a vacuum. UConn is unique in that it is New England's team as well as having a very solid NY/NJ draw. It ain't BC or Syracuse, that's for sure. The demand to have UConn on TV is high in CT, this we know. Adding B1G teams would broaden the region of TV interest. To me, I think there's a lot of bang for the buck that UConn can deliver.

Hopefully this is recognized by folks who make these decisions.
 
Another thing no one is really talking about are cable companies. The other day on WFAN they were having an interesting conversation and I immediately thought about B1G Network.

The basis of the conversation was with media and online streaming and how internet cable is starting to come out and they are offering ala carte packaging which makes it more appealing to people since they can only pay for the channels they want and the channels they actually watch.

It moved to how cable companies are very, very against it but consumers are getting fed up with being forced to pay higher fees because channels get added to basic packages or part of other packages that people typically order. The baby boomers are getting older and they aren't going to want to be paying $100+ a month for cable subscriptions with 60% of the stations they are paying for channels they dont even want.

Basically the conclusion was that in the future, 5-10 years, down the road that cable companies are going to be forced to change to ala carte to keep up with online cable being offered. They were comparing it to Netflix and other streaming media that has exploded and given the consumer the ability to pick and choose what they want when they want it.

If this trend does hit regular cable then places the B1G is rumored of expanding, Georgia, Florida, other SEC states would make zero sense logistically. Not only would they be a 2nd rate product but who in those states is going to pick up the B1G Network in their ala carte packaging. The only way the B1G comes out favorably is having their network forced to customers by cable carriers.

That's a popular view of the inevitability of a la carte, but it's not necessarily going to end up the way that people are thinking. One thing is that people mistakenly think is that a la carte means that they can choose from the 300-plus channels that they have now. The reality is that if you go to a la carte, basically the only cable channels that will survive are effectively the ones that existed back in 1990: ESPN, MTV, USA, TNT, TBS, etc. Those are the only ones that have enough viewers to continue providing the amount of content that they have and price them at $20-plus per month each. A lot of people have this romantic view that they'll just be able to pay for all of the niche channels that they like, but the reality is that the only reason why those niche channels could be created in the first place is because the much larger networks like ESPN and the Turner channels can allow for them to survive. Which gets to the other point: if anyone thinks that cable companies would somehow take in *less* money in an a la carte model, I don't know what to tell you. There might be a brief reprieve from high cable bills, but you'll invariably end up paying $100 per month for about 40 channels as you do today for a full complement of channels.

Now, let's say I'm completely wrong about the above and the cable pricing model actually will be turned upside down. The thing is that people have shown over and over again that they really don't want "a la carte". They don't want to have to go to separate sites for ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox to stream shows. All of the networks figured that out pretty quickly, which is why they joined together and created Hulu. Similarly, Netflix has never been a PPV model - it's an all-you-can-eat pricing model just like cable (only with the delivery system being the Internet instead of cable/satellite). Realistically, people only want to handle 2 or 3 bills per month for their entertainment, so maybe a handful of entities like Netflix and Hulu may replace cable, but you're not going to see hundreds of disparate entities replacing cable (which is what a lot of a la carte people are thinking).

Finally, with respect to the Big Ten specifically, the single biggest misnomer that I have to tell people in conference realignment is that the Big Ten Network does NOT just magically appear on cable in every single state that it expands to. That's complete misinformation. The states where it expands to need to have enough of a market to justify the BTN getting basic carriage there. At the same time, the BTN isn't *forced* anywhere. If that were the case, the MWC's channel would still be running and the Pac-12 wouldn't be having carriage issues. Instead, the fact of the matter is that the BTN is as essential within the Big Ten footprint as NESN would be in the Boston market - it's expensive and a lot of people may not even watch it, but there are enough people who (1) do watch it and (2) feel that it's important enough to switch cable providers entirely if it doesn't carry that specific channel. Do you actually think that Comcast actually *wants* to hand over $1.00 per month per subscriber to the Big Ten and Fox? Heck no! The reason why they do it because they lose a heck of a lot more money by not carrying the BTN than they do just carrying the network at that price.

Is anyone calling for a plummet in the values of the Yankees and Red Sox if a la carte cable comes to fruition? Those organizations are actually more dependent upon the current cable pricing model than the Big Ten is. The answer is no (or at least there's a belief that they can adjust) because they still have tons of fans that would pay up in an a la carte world. If you have enough leverage to get basic carriage at a high price, then you have enough fans that are willing to pay a lot for your content on an a la carte basis. That describes the Big Ten, as well. It's not the Big Ten that's going to get slammed in an a la carte world. Instead, it's the lesser conferences that are simply getting money as filler for cable channels that will get destroyed.

People are acting like the Big Ten isn't aware of this. Has anyone seen the Big Ten's online offerings? It blows every single conference's streaming capabilities away in terms of depth and breadth. They've already built the infrastructure to adjust to a new world and will be miles ahead of everyone else if/when that happens (just like they were with the BTN). The Big Ten was the richest conference long before the BTN, so let's not try to argue that this league is somehow being propped up by a TV network. The BTN became successful because of the strength of the Big Ten as opposed to the other way around.
 
All said and done UVA and UNC remain the most logical adds for the BiG. I posted demographics from those states a few weeks back. They will add Two CTs worth of population over 20 years. Factor in the Research Triangle and Pentagon and Langley Research enclave of NoRthern VA and DC market with MD/VA?

No state legislature will hold their institutions back.


I think they will digest Rutgers and Maryland first. Still work to do to deliver those markets and prove they are accretive.

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Connecticut appears to be a hotbed of pretty much nothing except Insurance and History and yet we have, arguably, if not the #1 basketball brand over the past 2 decades, then top 5, we have been invited to the best hockey conference, we have great ratings on SNY and are flying up the charts academically, and still rising. So how the heck were all those things pulled off as worthless as our state and market is? If Jim Delaney has completely dismissed UConn as some here want to believe, he is not as smart as everyone says he is.

It's not about dismissing UConn outright. In a vacuum, UConn has good value. However, we're not looking at a vacuum here. UConn has to show that it would be more valuable to the Big Ten than UVA, UNC, GT and/or FSU. That simply isn't the case.
 
Most likely positive outcome for UConn is that we end up as a backfill for another ACC school that decides to leave.

And even then....
 
As far as a la carte goes, some one has to provide high speed cable. Some cable companies are accepting that as their primary role backed up by a saturation of WiFi Hotspots in their territory -- enough to do 4G phone companies some damage. Making money by reselling internet subscription content through a box with DVR and XBox capability and taking 10% of the topline bill as the sales distributor? This is the new evolving model. There is huge money to be made.
 
Cable companies and internet companies need to provide faster internet that is price appropriate.

True 4g has faster download and streaming capabilities than most basic cable internet or DSL internet. Problem is there is not a true 4G network in place in the USA except for in the large affluent cities (and even those arent 100% covered)
 
Frank, there's a lot of merit to your views, but here are a few issues where your judgment seems a bit off:

1) Bundling: A la carte isn't going to happen unless legislators force it. Bundling is the revenue maximizing strategy; see, eg, http://people.stern.nyu.edu/bakos/big.pdf. As you say a la carte would reduce the number of channels from 300 to 60; but it would also substantially reduce revenue to all cable providers and content producers. Consumers would spend less and some would prefer that (those who only watch a few channels), but some consumers would be better off for having 300 channels at a higher price, which they could only have if those who like few channels are forced to buy a bundle.

That's true even for the B1G, the BTN gets more revenue as a channel in a cable bundle than they ever could as an a la carte offering.

2) UConn's market size: The audience for UConn extends beyond the state of Connecticut. It is the only prominent public university in New York-New England and has fans throughout the region. Whereas most of those southern schools not only don't draw much beyond their state borders, they split their own states with other major universities. Your discussions consistently underestimate UConn's audience and brand value, and overestimate the audience brought by the southern schools.

3) If size of the league is a restraining factor, ie the B1G has to stop at 18, then you're right UConn has to be one of the top 4 most attractive schools over and above two of UVa, UNC, Ga Tech, FSU, and Duke. It's not obvious how the B1G would rank order those schools if all 6 were available simultaneously. But:

a) If the league can grow to 20 or more -- and in fact they may be compelled to grow to at least 20 to generate enough attractive content to populate the BTN -- then UConn has a lower hurdle to jump over. If B1G size is unlimited, UConn only needs to be accretive / add positive value. Given the extra content it brings and the large market UConn serves, that should be an easy hurdle for UConn to jump. Just natural growth of the football program would probably give the university enough stature and national fans to be accretive.

b) If the B1G plans to get to 20 or more, then it has space to use UConn as a pairing for more attractive schools who are ready to enter without a partner. I.e., if UVa is ready to go B1G but UNC isn't, then UConn is likely to get an early invitation to be UVa's partner in the same way Rutgers was ready to go as UMd's partner. That wouldn't prevent the B1G from adding UNC/Duke/GaTech/FSU later to get to 20. By weakening the ACC one school at a time, the B1G has easier negotiations with the remaining ACC schools.

4) The ND wildcard. Which schools make the B1G most attractive to Notre Dame? UConn is not #1 here, but the Huskies are surely an attractive partner for ND. ND has intense interest in the northeast (NYC-Hartford-Boston) markets and has had extensive scheduling discussions with UConn in football, as well as a history of rivalry in multiple sports.

5) The SEC/B12 wildcards. The southern schools have options as to which conferences/networks they want to join. The SEC surely wants UNC as much as the B1G does. There is competition and it is not guaranteed that the B1G will get all the schools it desires. If so, they still need to grow to generate content for the BTN. If the B1G loses competition for some of the top southern schools, then UConn may quickly become the most attractive partner available. UConn >> NC State, Va Tech, or Clemson.

When you add in all these factors, I think UConn will end up in the B1G, either as #16, #18, or #20.
 
It's not about dismissing UConn outright. In a vacuum, UConn has good value. However, we're not looking at a vacuum here. UConn has to show that it would be more valuable to the Big Ten than UVA, UNC, GT and/or FSU. That simply isn't the case.
I understand your logic....right up to the moment you add FSU to the conversation. Not going to happen...they don't fit the BiG...also, UVA and UNC are perfect fits for the conference however, they don't need the money, it would take the ACC getting raided (at least 3 schools), then it's possible. Absent a raid, unlikely at best...both see themselves as charter members of the ACC and they will not be responsible for the demise of the league.
 
It's not about dismissing UConn outright. In a vacuum, UConn has good value. However, we're not looking at a vacuum here. UConn has to show that it would be more valuable to the Big Ten than UVA, UNC, GT and/or FSU. That simply isn't the case.
I agree with three out of the four. Clemson gets 1/3 of SC. Not sure GT gets 10% of Georgia. And SC is one of the fastest growing states in the southeast.
 
It's not about dismissing UConn outright. In a vacuum, UConn has good value. However, we're not looking at a vacuum here. UConn has to show that it would be more valuable to the Big Ten than UVA, UNC, GT and/or FSU. That simply isn't the case.

I understand what you're saying. Thanks for the response. I disagree on GT but that's just my amateur opinion. My only point was that I think UConn has shown it can break the mold of the typical expectations, preconceptions and criteria for expansion. It has proven it, even arguably in football.
 
It's not about dismissing UConn outright. In a vacuum, UConn has good value. However, we're not looking at a vacuum here. UConn has to show that it would be more valuable to the Big Ten than UVA, UNC, GT and/or FSU. That simply isn't the case.

I strongly disagree about FSU and GT. What are you basing that assessment on? Before Bowden got to FSU it was not on anyone's radar, and it still has trouble selling out guarantee games as the #2 school in a huge state. Florida and Georgia are SEC country, and the Big 10 adding GT or FSU is not going to change that at all. The cable carriers know this, and they won't pay full carriage fees for the BTN for the occasional GT/Iowa game.

GT is more valuable within the ACC than it would be to the Big 10 for that reason. Fans aren't going to care about a full schedule of GT vs. rust belt schools in the south. I think the border states are possible, but deep south states just don't carry a lot of value for a BTN. I don't think FSU and GT are even Top 5 on the BTN's list.

I think the list looks like this (talking about schools that may realistically join):

1) UVa
2) UNC
3) UConn
4) BCU
5) Syracuse

I have not seen a credible argument for why the Big 10 would add FSU or Georgia Tech.
 
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