Interesting thread on WVU board about Big East 6 to B12

[WestCoastHusky]

Just read a rumor on the TCU board that BYU is in. Assuming that either Mizzou or WVU is going to the SEC I think this is where we are right now if this rumor about Big 12 going to 16 has any merit.

Big 16

Connecticut
Rutgers
West Virginia/Missouri
South Florida
Louisville
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas St

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Kansas
BYU

This would make the most sense. Going to 16 into 2 divisions to minimize traveling. We still get to play most of the BE schools now. IOWA ST and KSU might complain but something has to give. You might want to swap KSU with TCU though. Maybe Baylor with ISU too?

 

[speedoo]

Not likely to happen Wishlist expanded: The new B16 Basketball Tournament could be held at the new arena in Brooklyn, if not MSG, after the Big East contract with MSG expires.

Atlantic 10 will have their tourney in the Brooklyn arena beginning in 2013.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

That's a concern. Not avoiding playing in a league that looks a lot like CUSA but having to play the most prestigious programs in the country at the Meadowlands or Gillette? I have an idea -- let's complain about any idea that isn't 100% of what anyone wants and just close the programs instead.

The name of the game is saving UConn sports. Quibbling about the details of a plan that does such is, frankly, idiotic.

No, I would much prefer this over the CUSA 2.0 scenario in just about any revenue structure. My concerns are beyond that, from the perspective of, if this scenario is on the table, it's absolutely worth serious consideration, and the revenue structure thing would be a negotiating point, not a walk away from the able point, unless it was so incredibly idiotic and stupid that we'd somehow make more money in CUSA 2.0.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

WVU board is now saying ND might be in as well. I really hope this thing has some legs. Could NBC be behind this? If ND came I would assume that either UConn, RU, USF, or TCU is not. The smart move would be to pass on TCU. I wouldn't mind them coming obviously but the Big 12 already has 3 other teams in Texas they really don't need TCU. I could see why ND would want to be in a conference with Texas, BYU and Oklahoma for football and UConn and Kansas in basketball.

 

[upstater]

I could see why ND would want to be in a conference with Texas, BYU and Oklahoma for football and UConn and Kansas in basketball.

You must have incredible vision.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

You must have incredible vision.

A blind man could see this. lol.

 

[Davidm]

Sign me up

 

[WestCoastHusky]

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/201...nt-rumors-of-a-big-east-mass-exodus#storyjump

There is rumor we could get left behind. If so, this could get ugly.

 

[ctchamps]

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/201...nt-rumors-of-a-big-east-mass-exodus#storyjump

There is rumor we could get left behind. If so, this could get ugly.

There is a rumor for everything including rumors. UConn will be fine.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

that rumor has been out for a while now.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/201...nt-rumors-of-a-big-east-mass-exodus#storyjump

There is rumor we could get left behind. If so, this could get ugly.

I keep telling myself we'll end up somewhere ok. I'm beginning to believe it less and less as this goes on. Just unbelievable.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

This is a rumor for everything including rumors. UConn will be fine.

How are you so confidence in all of this? Not trying to attack you, but it looks like a real storm is brewing out there.

 

[ctchamps]

that rumor has been out for a while now.

Basically everyone is repeating all the possibilities and now are targeting other boards for something new even though that news is old.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

How are you so confidence in all of this? Not trying to attack you, but it looks like a real storm is brewing out there.

"...looks like a real storm is brewing out there" suggests it hasn't been a cesspool for years. In another life, were you Rip Van Winkle?

 

[ctchamps]

How are you so confidence in all of this? Not trying to attack you, but it looks like a real storm is brewing out there.

Even if things head in the direction of only 64 teams in four super conferences, there are several teams in the ACC, B12 and BE with less likelihood than UConn of being targeted to be one of the 64. And I'm far from convinced this super conference model will take place for quite some time. Most likely the B!G will wait to see what happens to the other conferences that jump into the 16 team model and observe how contracts are upgraded. And the media may not be throwing out lots of significant increases in monies until they see how these conferences work out. For all the hype associated with this process, I expect the media powers to proceed cautiously. They can afford to. So we can be talking about years from now before this becomes a done deal. Or it can fail miserably.

Almost everything we're hearing are rumors and conjectures. With all the rumors of worst case scenarios, I prefer to believe things will work out for the best regarding UConn. After the dust settles, and IF things turn out the wrong way, then I'll deal with the problems. But since none of us really knows how things will turn out, I'm staying positive and upbeat.

Additionally I'm staying flexible with all the options being thrown out by various intelligent people in this forum. We can argue until we are blue in the face we know the best way to accomplish things, but that isn't true. We don't have a crystal ball into the future. So rather than insist a particular model comes to fruition I'm more interested in being ready to support whatever takes place.

My opinion is there is no sense in being in the grave before the burial, particularly since I'm not steering the ship or handling any other capacity of the ship's movements. I can't reassure you or anyone else about what develops. I've just learned that worrying about things not in my control and before they take place is fruitless and unhealthy.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Great post Fleudslipcon (what does your username mean anyway lol).

I should take some of your advice as this thing drives me crazy! I just have visions of UConn, Rutgers, USF then 5 C-USA and MAC teams and no BCS bid!

 

[coachcap]

Better to be guaranteed a seat at the big boy table than not having a seat. I'd take this conference in a heartbeat. Look at it this way. The 7 teams from the Big East & one from the Big -12 (Iowa State?) will be in one division. With a nine game conference schedule, this would allow for 3 OOC games to round out the 12 game regular season. UConn would play 2 teams from the opposite division Home & home on a rotation. (One rotation is 8 years). This could work.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Nothing will happen until the details are reached on the revenue sharing (and the ceding of television rights) but if this does get signed off on by the current (eight or nine, depending) members of the B-12, there could be worse homes than this.

1 - Yes, we will be bound (pretty much an indentured nservant) to that conference for six years but it is not out of the realm of possibility that the invitation to wherever would take effect (our actually joining) four or five years down the road. If it is the ACC we want as our final destination, there wouldn't be any pool of candidates for them to look into instead of former BE schools so there won't be any risk of losing a spot in that conference. If the B1G is to be our ultimate destination, we are likely a half dozen years away from being where they would consider us anyway.

2 - Yes, there is a large likelyhood that we would not receive the revenues that Texas does. We won't anyway regardless of where we play and if all tier 1 and tier 2 revenues go to the conference, we will end up making more in the B-12 than we would have in a reconstiuted BE 9and possibly in what the BE would have been). The biggest argument on remaining with the catholics is revenue potential (vs football memebrs starting a new con ference). If there is more money to be made here, it becomes a no brainer.

3 - What would we pay for a medium term set of home and home football games with Texas and Oklahoma? The intangible value of these games has to be iun the millions of dollars. Could we land a home and home series with schools like Texas Tech or Okie St? Would we turn down a medium term home and home series with Kansas or Kansas St? We had a home and home with both Iowa St and Baylor and I doubt that anyone with a realistic outlook would say we are beyond the point where we should do it again. We've played each of Kansas, Texas, and Oklahoma in home and home men's hoops games and from what I understand the only reason we didn't renew with Kansas (in the 90's) was that they didn't want to agree to equal home and road games. Baylor and K St (on on occasion Okie St) have all been quality teams in recent years as well. We also can fill our non conference schedule (in men's hoops) with former conference mates from the BE.

I doubt that this will move anywhere near as quickly as most want (we want an answer yesterday, we'll be lucky if the B-12 solves the ceding issue by Halloween) but we should know what's going on before the football season ends (which in reality isn't all that long).

 

[uconNYC]

If WVU, UL, UC and TCU go to the Big 12 - it will force Notre Dame's hand. If they decide to stay in the BE, ACC will take UConn and RU. If they decide to go to the ACC we will go with them. If they decide to go to the B1G Rutgers will join them and we would be screwed (unless ACC decides to take us and Villanova???)

 

[SAMCRO]

If WVU, UL, UC and TCU go to the Big 12 - it will force Notre Dame's hand. If they decide to stay in the BE, ACC will take UConn and RU. If they decide to go to the ACC we will go with them. If they decide to go to the B1G Rutgers will join them and ACC we would be screwed (unless ACC decides to take us and Villanova???)

If BC is blocking, or at the very least influencing others, to keep us out of the ACC, you don't think they'd get in ND's ear (who they've had a longstanding athletic relationship with) and lobby them to ask for Rutgers to join w/ them instead of UConn?

 

[husky10]

The big-12 allows schools to start their own network and thats what a few of those schools are doing if this happens I wonder if we see a regional network of the former big east football schools.
just an idea

 

[Excalibur]

Even if things head in the direction of only 64 teams in four super conferences, there are several teams in the ACC, B12 and BE with less likelihood than UConn of being targeted to be one of the 64.

If it is the Big East that doesn't survive, it will be Big East schools that get left out. Nobody is getting kicked out of the ACC or B12.

 

[ctchamps]

If it is the Big East that doesn't survive, it will be Big East schools that get left out. Nobody is getting kicked out of the ACC or B12.

As things appear today, I couldn't argue with you. But things sometimes evolve in ways that drastically change the landscape. People have proposed possibilities of the ACC and the B12 changing in a manner that could make those conferences vulnerable. A lot of things have yet to take place to say the process of conference configuration is complete. As someone pointed out this is like the game of risk. Sometimes the weak players in that game can negotiate truces until they become strong enough to come out victors.

 

[uconNYC]

If BC is blocking, or at the very least influencing others, to keep us out of the ACC, you don't think they'd get in ND's ear (who they've had a longstanding athletic relationship with) and lobby them to ask for Rutgers to join w/ them instead of UConn?

Between ND, Syracuse and UConn - you've captured the New York market. What does RU bring to the ACC? We are better in every sport than them (including dominant basketball, soccer, field hockey and baseball programs) and our Academic profile has surpassed theirs. What athletic relations does ND have with RU? In basketball and soccer we are one of their biggest rivals. If they want to play at the Meadowlands, I'm sure both SU and UConn would be accommodating.

 

[SAMCRO]

Between ND, Syracuse and UConn - you've captured the New York market. What does RU bring to the ACC? We are better in every sport than them (including dominant basketball, soccer, field hockey and baseball programs) and our Academic profile has surpassed theirs. What athletic relations does ND have with RU? In basketball and soccer we are one of their biggest rivals. If they want to play at the Meadowlands, I'm sure both SU and UConn would be accommodating.

It's more about ND's indifference b/w RU and UConn. If they could truly care less which team came with them (of UConn and RU), and their long time "friend" BC had a strong opinion, you could see how it could get there. I have no clue what will happen, just pointing something out.

As for UConn having better overall athletics and academics than RU, same could be said for UConn over SU and Pitt. That didn't seem to have any impact on the ACC's decision.

 

[uconNYC]

It's more about ND's indifference b/w RU and UConn. If they could truly care less which team came with them (of UConn and RU), and their long time "friend" BC had a strong opinion, you could see how it could get there. I have no clue what will happen, just pointing something out.

As for UConn having better overall athletics and academics than RU, same could be said for UConn over SU and Pitt. That didn't seem to have any impact on the ACC's decision.

SU and Pitt have strong basketball programs and tons of football tradition. They might have also been seen as bait for Notre Dame. I agree with you - I dont think Notre Dame will really outline a preference, so certainly BC could lead a charge to block us, but as long as UConn is around ACC will have a thorn in their side in terms of basketball dominance in the region, so that would be a big incentive to add us.

 

[Danzz]

I continue to think this makes sense for all involved.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=8011338

I still think the ACC makes the most sense but we have to get invited and that hasn't happened. If not, I like the Big 12 (16) as a second choice and the while the BE football schools pulling out together is appealing, things like this tend to be short lived satisfaction. Kansas, K-State and Texas would be great basketball opponents.

 

[uconnbill]

I think you are giving BC way to much credit with it's closeness with Notre Dame. I think Notre Dame see's BC as it's little brother and nothing more.

One last thing. If some school in a BCS conference now gets left out you can beat that this will some how become an issue in congress. If the government gets involved God only knows what will happen

It's more about ND's indifference b/w RU and UConn. If they could truly care less which team came with them (of UConn and RU), and their long time "friend" BC had a strong opinion, you could see how it could get there. I have no clue what will happen, just pointing something out.

As for UConn having better overall athletics and academics than RU, same could be said for UConn over SU and Pitt. That didn't seem to have any impact on the ACC's decision.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

It's more about ND's indifference b/w RU and UConn. If they could truly care less which team came with them (of UConn and RU), and their long time "friend" BC had a strong opinion, you could see how it could get there. I have no clue what will happen, just pointing something out.

As for UConn having better overall athletics and academics than RU, same could be said for UConn over SU and Pitt. That didn't seem to have any impact on the ACC's decision.

This is the scenario where K and Roy Williams would get pissed off about watering down the basketball side. The football schools would be more than appeased with ND, I doubt the brass at the basketball-first schools in NC would be happy about having to play Rutgers.