I'm not down. UConn fans should look forward to a good conference...

[Whale22]

Have you taken a look at Boise St's regular season schedule?

Boise State created that brand by getting access to the big game and beating Oklahoma in arguably one of the most exciting bowl games ever. That access will no longer exist. We are used as an excuse for why that system no longer exists. Call it fate or whatever you want but they took advantage of that access, for whatever the reason it backfired on us.

 

[upstater]

Boise State created that brand by getting access to the big game and beating Oklahoma in arguably one of the most exciting bowl games ever. That access will no longer exist. We are used as an excuse for why that system no longer exists. Call it fate or whatever you want but they took advantage of that access, for whatever the reason it backfired on us.

That access will exist. You just have to win your games. One team from MWC, BE, CUSA will be in the playoff if they win. But you didn't address the other point. All these schools were making$400k and less, and they had a lot of fans show up to watch truly atrocious teams, like Cal-Poly or whatever.

 

[Pudge]

In my opinion, as a football conference its ok. As a basketball conference it is freaking terrible. It has the ability to become excellent as a technicality. It will not.

It is a horrific basketball conference. UCF is going through crippling sanctions. Houston is terrible. Temple is a hit or miss program, not nearly as good as VCU or Butler in national recognition or playing ability.

Memphis, UConn and Cincy. That's it. That's the foundation of the bb conference. The rest of it is a total unmitigated disaster.

I would invite VCU.

Why? We have far more in common with the mission of VCU than the Catholic 7 do. Our Olympic sports will fit nicely. (and I might consider another Hoop school too). We have nearly $90m to throw around. We should be able to outbid those damn Catholics.

And YOU are way undervaluing Temple. Fran Dunphy is a fabulous coach & develops a solid program. I expect them to be regularly in the top 40 considering their location. You can't say that about most of the C-7.

 

[Pudge]

Upstater, I like your enthusiasm but the NBC deal is telling you what your new conf is worth.

No it's NOT.

You are selling nothing. Several of your prime Schools are still antsy to leave (includes us). That number, I believe, is a reflection that you can't build a Brand NOR a regular viewing experience while this realignment is so messy. I don't know the answer; but, I can tell you that there has to be another way. We call that an "exogenous variable."

 

[whaler11]

That access will exist. You just have to win your games. One team from MWC, BE, CUSA will be in the playoff if they win. But you didn't address the other point. All these schools were making$400k and less, and they had a lot of fans show up to watch truly atrocious teams, like Cal-Poly or whatever.

Uh no they won't be in the playoff. One will get an invite to a decent bowl.

 

[Vuce]

I realize that. I also understand that when Utah, BYU, TCU were in the MWC, they were wroth $400k, and when Boise St. was in the WAC, they were worth two frozen packages of fishsticks. The point is, win and fans will come.

I think the difference is the gap between the 400K and the BCS conferences money was not that great. Pretty soon we will be making 2 mil for basketball AND football (geezus I still cant believe that) and Rutgers will be making 35 to 40 mil per season. The haves and the have nots will be even further separated. At some point when the financial gap is that large the "have nots" wont be able to keep up.

 

[upstater]

I think the difference is the gap between the 400K and the BCS conferences money was not that great. Pretty soon we will be making 2 mil for basketball AND football (geezus I still cant believe that) and Rutgers will be making 35 to 40 mil per season. The haves and the have nots will be even further separated. At some point when the financial gap is that large the "have nots" wont be able to keep up.

It was $400k versus $14k for the ACC and $20-25k for B1G and SEC. But Rutgers isn't getting $35-40m anytime soon.
Also, 5 or 6 years ago, UConn ws not making what it makes now in its tier 3 and licensing contract. You can see the rise there and it's pretty large. I wrote this in another thread, but UConn is now making $24.X million from that. That's over $14 million more than it used to make.

 

[upstater]

Uh no they won't be in the playoff. One will get an invite to a decent bowl.

The playoff selections will hew close to an RPI type index. If you look at the past decade, undefeated teams like Boise St. would have qualified in the top 4 of such an index. What you need then is a reason for excluding a team like Boise despite their ranking. But regardless, even if they're not in the playoff, they will still have the same opportunity Boise did, which is a big bowl game against top competition.

 

[metsfan2323]

Boise State created that brand by getting access to the big game and beating Oklahoma in arguably one of the most exciting bowl games ever. That access will no longer exist. We are used as an excuse for why that system no longer exists.

Boise didn't have an auto bid when they beat Oklahoma, they earned that appearance by having a great team with a great record. The Auto bid that got UCONN into the Fiesta bowl no longer exists, but the earned bid Boise got is still there and available for UCONN, we just need to earn it with a top 10 team, which is exactly the way it should be, the top Bowl's should go to the best teams, 8-4 teams need not apply.

 

[whaler11]

The playoff goes according to rankings. Not conference.

Clueless as always. It's not based on rankings. It's based on a selection committee. So you can forget those conferences being involved.

The new Big East couldn't put together a Top 4 SEC team nevermind one nationally anyway.

 

[upstater]

Clueless as always. It's not based on rankings. It's based on a selection committee. So you can forget those conferences being involved.

The new Big East couldn't put together a Top 4 SEC team nevermind one nationally anyway.

The selection committee will hew close to an RPI index. RPI is rankings. http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2012/12/new_college_football_playoff_w.html

 

[whaler11]

The selection committee will hew close to an RPI index. RPI is rankings. http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2012/12/new_college_football_playoff_w.html

It won't.

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8927686

If you think they are letting a computer put Boise in one of those games....

 

[whaler11]

The selection committee will hew close to an RPI index. RPI is rankings. http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/2012/12/new_college_football_playoff_w.html

LOL if you read your posted article and think that means an RPI like system is how the teams are selected.

 

[upstater]

It won't.

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8927686

If you think they are letting a computer put Boise in one of those games....

It's not a computer. It's a formula. Big difference. It's back of the napkin stuff.

But you're clueless about this discussion anyway since the real topic and my point all along has been that UConn will have the same opportunity Boise did, which is to play top competition in a bowl game. Don't forget that the Boise bowl in question WAS not for all the marbles. It was just one of 5 BCS games. That's it.

 

[upstater]

LOL if you read your posted article and think that means an RPI like system is how the teams are selected.

Apparently, you didn't read it. Your point is irrelevant anyway since the initial discussion was about having the same opportunity Boise did. UConn has that opportunity.

 

[whaler11]

It's not a computer. It's a formula. Big difference. It's back of the napkin stuff.

But you're clueless about this discussion anyway since the real topic and my point all along has been that UConn will have the same opportunity Boise did, which is to play top competition in a bowl game. Don't forget that the Boise bowl in question WAS not for all the marbles. It was just one of 5 BCS games. That's it.

One team from the conferences will play in a bowl game. Whooptie damn do.

Honestly I'm shocked that you could be so stupid to believe that a 'back of the napkin' formula is going to be used to give MWC, CUSA, NBE, SB or the MAC a payday worth tens of millions.

Yeah the big conferences spent years killing off those conferences and putting billions of dollars between them to let them back into a big playoff payday. That's what's going to happen.

 

[upstater]

It won't.

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8927686

If you think they are letting a computer put Boise in one of those games....

Your own link contradicts you: "In ranking the teams, the committee will consider strength of schedule, where the games were played, conference championships and whether teams lost games because of injuries to key players."

This is exactly what a bball selection committee does. That's RPI at the beginning (i.e. won/loss, SOS, home wins/away wins) and then external factors like injuries or late season streaks.

 

[upstater]

One team from the ty conferences will play in a bowl game. Whooptie damn do.

Honestly I'm shocked that you could be so stupid to believe that a 'back of the napkin' formula is going to be used to give MWC, CUSA, NBE, SB or the MAC a payday worth tens of millions.

Yeah the big conferences spent years killing off those conferences and putting billions of dollars between them to let them back into a big playoff payday. That's what's going to happen.

One team from the non-BCS conferences played in the Fiesta Bowl!!! That's what the original post was about. How dense can you be? Boise got that opportunity! And would still get that opportunity.

Your own link from ESPN showed the back of the napkin formula, so the New Orleans writer from a month ago was right; he made a good prediction. They are using RPI to weigh the teams before they select them. Your own link contradicts you.

 

[whaler11]

One team from the non-BCS conferences played in the Fiesta Bowl!!! That's what the original post was about. How dense can you be? Boise got that opportunity! And would still get that opportunity.

Your own link from ESPN showed the back of the napkin formula, so the New Orleans writer from a month ago was right; he made a good prediction. They are using RPI to weigh the teams before they select them. Your own link contradicts you.

First of all three times I've said a low conference team gets a bid to a bigger bowl. We all know that. The Group of 5 or whatever the hell they call it now.


Are you calling this RPI? You think this is going to end with a MWC or Big East team in a four team playoff? Have you lost your mind? Strength of schedule immediately disqualifies the Group of 5. No access.

The selection committee will receive a "jury charge" from the commissioners. In ranking the teams, the committee will consider strength of schedule, where the games were played, conference championships and whether teams lost games because of injuries to key players.

 

[upstater]

First of all three times I've said a low conference team gets a bid to a bigger bowl. We all know that. The Group of 5 or whatever the hell they call it now.

That's the original point! Halleluia. Someone wrote that UConn couldn't be Boise because they wouldn't get a chance to play Oklahoma in a big (but meaningless) bowl game. I said UConn would still get that opportunity. Beyond that, if there aren't enough 1 loss teams from the big conferences, an undefeated team from the small ones will almost certainly land in the playoffs.

Are you calling this RPI? You think this is going to end with a MWC or Big East team in a four team playoff? Have you lost your mind? Strength of schedule immediately disqualifies the Group of 5. No access.

The selection committee will receive a "jury charge" from the commissioners. In ranking the teams, the committee will consider strength of schedule, where the games were played, conference championships and whether teams lost games because of injuries to key players.

The article you linked to described a formula which is exactly RPI!! won/loss, SOS, away wins. That's RPI!

 

[Pudge]

This is simple.

As much as the Big Conferences would like to lock out everyone ... And eliminate the Boise or Northern Illinois ... There little game of starting a 4 team playoff is going to backfire. I predict it goes to 8 teams within 5 years. At that point, there will be a Boise every year. Maybe two.

 

[whaler11]

The article you linked to described a formula which is exactly RPI!! won/loss, SOS, away wins. That's RPI!

Except RPI is only one of those things and is a very specific mathematical equation. This is a bunch of guys sitting around picking teams from 4 conferences unless Florida State or Clemson goes undefeated.

You only think that is RPI because you don't know what RPI is.

 

[whaler11]

This is simple.

As much as the Big Conferences would like to lock out everyone ... And eliminate the Boise or Northern Illinois ... There little game of starting a 4 team playoff is going to backfire. I predict it goes to 8 teams within 5 years. At that point, there will be a Boise every year. Maybe two.

It is simple. There is no access for anyone but the power elite at 4 teams. Maybe there is access at 8 if 8 happens, but that's more wishcasting and has nothing to do with today's reality.

 

[formerlurker]

I hate to say it but I'm getting very discouraged.

It's like in "Lethal Weapon" when the General is telling Danny Glover that there are no heroes anymore.

I'm waiting for Mel Gibson to break the neck of the guy that is torturing him and busts into the room and gets Glover and his daughter free.

Someone please tell me that Mel Gibson is coming. Please?

When are we getting a dislike option?

 

[formerlurker]

When it comes to Mel Gibson, you need to be careful what you ask for.

Ha! Much better than my response!