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I'm More Convinced Than Ever: UConn & UVA to the B1G

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Just don't ask McCants turns out Algebra is tough.
 
Sorry if I offended anyone. I doubt that NC will turn blue unless the idiots in DC give illegals amnesty. If that happens, we will not be the same nation that the founding fathers wanted.
 
None the less KylesLamb was on the money and a founder of the ACC....nice grab by the B1G sweeping the eastcoast top markets from DC to NYC/NJ/LI eyeball's. Grab UConn and the B1G will clean up NYC north clear to Maine for the upcoming TV rights negotiation's!! The largest richest market stretch in the country!

I never said he wasn't right.

Simply put, you cannot underestimate the dire financial straits that the Maryland athletic department was in playing a part in their decision to join the B1G.
 
Eh.

It was a real estate acquisition.

With two invites, the Big Ten took the entire Mid-Atlantic region from New York to Washington DC - if you want to know where the ACC Network started to flat-line, that's where you start.

Eh, the ACC and the B1G currently share the DC market. They have not shut the ACC out of there. Not at all.
 
Perhaps, but I think what needs to be emphasized though is that as petty as it sounds, the Big Ten didn't want to be perceived as jumping into regions and stealing teams from different territories. They wanted to gradually expand outward, if possible.

I do not think that the B1G stole Maryland from the ACC. UMD were having hard time financially within their AD, and, they felt that the ACC's payout was not going to help them going forward. While it sucks that they wanted to leave, if they did not want to be here anymore, going to the B1G was their best move.

The Big Ten also really, really wanted those TV markets (that cannot be emphasized enough).

Agreed. The B1G has been absolutely consistent with their moves.

And, to be frank, I also think the Big Ten knew that by adding Maryland, it would have a better shot at Virginia and UNC later on.

Only time will tell about this one.
 
At the time, the ACC as a conference was also the lowest hanging fruit. So, make what you will of Maryland's financial issues, if the conference had been stronger it might not have happened.

Its kind of funny, neither UNC nor UVA were having any financial problems within their ADs, with the exact same media contract payouts that Maryland was receiving. So, I don't believe that the whole ACC was any kind of low-hanging fruit. But, thats the ACC homer in me. :)

And when there was talk of Clemson, Florida State and possibly UNC looking around, if any any other ACC school not named Duke would have gotten the call, they would have listened.

I never got any sense of real panic from any ACC school. FSU's nervousness was driven by a completely uninformed BOT member, who commented on the league media deal, when he knew jack spit about it.
 
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I thought it was when John Swofford sold all those "Tier 3" TV rights to Raycom and ESPN?

John Swofford cannot act unilaterally on something like that. He had to have consensus from the members to do such a thing.
 
If you're asking ESPN to start a conference network for you, which you were, do you think losing every television set between Washington, DC and Manhattan might have been a bad thing?

We've lost EVERY TV set between DC and Manhattan? When did that occur?
 
We've lost EVERY TV set between DC and Manhattan? When did that occur?

This isn't rocket science.

Get out a map. Put one finger on DC and one finger on Manhattan.

Everything between those two fingers is off limits in terms of any proposed ACC Network.
 
This isn't rocket science.

Get out a map. Put one finger on DC and one finger on Manhattan.

Everything between those two fingers is off limits in terms of any proposed ACC Network.

No, its not rocket science, but, to say that if ESPN wanted it on the air in that region bad enough, it wouldn't happen?
 
John Swofford cannot act unilaterally on something like that. He had to have consensus from the members to do such a thing.

I am clearly in the camp the ACC is much safer than the Big 12 - but the Swofford/Swofford/Raycom deal is a joke.
 
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It's hard to see the ACC shut of Manhattan to DC when the most popular basketball team in New Jersey is Duke.
 
I don't buy Virginia and north Carolina to the b1g the ACC is a lot more stable than the big 12 the b1g expands with UConn and Kansas . The big needs college basketball bluebloods for the b1g network and honestly UConn and Kansas are b1g like minded schools . UConn has stepped it up on the academic end and they will be rewarded and Kansas is aau so they fit. The b1g knows that Rutgers cant hold the NYC market by themselves enter UConn. The b1g grabs UConn at number 15 and then looks at Kansas if the gor can be beat they take them in time for the next tv deal. If not they wait till the gor is a couple years from being renewed and grab them the b1g don't mind playing with uneven numbers ask Penn St. You guys will be just fine no way your left out.
 
Only time will tell about this one.

I don't think we need to wait for time to tell us. The Big Ten with Maryland has a better chance of landing UVA and UNC than without. That doesn't mean it will happen, it just means the chances with Maryland now are greater than they were before without UMD.
 
No doubt Virginia will be a tough sell but once it becomes obvious that, together, the SEC and the B1G will carve up the ACC to get to 16 teams each, the Cavaliers will crack like a Louisville Slugger hit on its trademark.

I think UVa and the North Carolina universities are misunderstood by many B1G followers. UVa is not an original ACC charter member, but they are the last flagship school that has joined the ACC. After UVa came Georgia Tech, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, partially ND and Louisville. None of which are flagship schools for their States (although Syracuse may as well be the athletic flagship school of NY even though they are private). UVa carries a lot of weight in the ACC for a non-charter member and non-Carolinian school. And in many ways, UVa acts like the Carolina schools, barring NCSU. That tells me that UVa will go the way of UNC... and UNC is still the face of the ACC, much the way Texas is the face of the Big XII.

The idea of the B1G stealing UVa is as realistic as FSU & Clemson going to the Big XII. It could happen one day, but not in the next 12 or 14 years. The GORs is going to hold the ACC together until 2026. I think sometime around 2024, things may get interesting with the ACC. But I think the ACC, B1G and SEC are going to realize how cumbersome and unmanageable a 14+ league conference is. The SEC is already struggling with the numbers and losing tradition fast.

If the big dogs can make more than 14 schools work logistically (or the NCAA comes up with a way to keep traditions in the major conferences viable through a NFL-style playoff system), then maybe there will be more growth. IMO, the only expansion I foresee in the near future is UConn moving into the ACC or the B1G and 2 teams joining the Big XII (maybe BYU and Cincinnati or Houston) if the NCAA forces a 12 team league on them.

Not trying to be a suck-up to you Huskies, but UConn is the prize school that both the ACC and B1G whiffed on. UConn has more National Titles than the majority of B1G or ACC schools in multiple sports. UConn is a school that learns how to win and wants to win. UConn is ranked very well in the USNWR (much much higher than Louisville and higher than a bunch of ACC schools). UConn has the #30 TV market and lies smack in between NYC and Boston. UConn is a real university (flagship and land grant)... not some little private school or city commuter school.

How both the ACC and B1G missed on this, I'll never know. Personally, I think BC has some hang-up (or is threatened by) with UConn and the B1G is trying disparately to hang on to their contiguous State and AAU status rule (although UConn may be AAU already or is on the cusp I think).

So as for UVa and UConn to the B1G, I'm not sold. The NCAA may require even numbered divisions, so the ACC is stuck until ND makes a move (which will never happen). And the B1G needs one other partner along with UConn to get to 16... and their ACC and Big XII options are all tied up in GORs. So UConn may be stuck in limbo for a while unless the NCAA allows for a 15 team league. I for one really wished the ACC would have invited WVU and UConn instead of Pitt and Syracuse back in 2011. Then when Maryland left, the ACC could have added Pitt or Syracuse (although Syracuse would have been locked into the B1G at that point IMO).
 
Ain't nothing happening for a while.....in 10 years, as the GOR winds down, maybe...maybe not.

I, myself, think that the the ACC will be much the same...

After several years of reading earnest blathering....FSU and Clemson to the Big 12, Miami to the Big 12, Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten, Penn State to the ACC, UCF and USF to the Big 12, Texas to the ACC......I have come to realize that the Dude Virus has infected many of us.
 
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I don't think we need to wait for time to tell us. The Big Ten with Maryland has a better chance of landing UVA and UNC than without. That doesn't mean it will happen, it just means the chances with Maryland now are greater than they were before without UMD.
Those were my initial thoughts, especially before the GOR. Grab Maryland and suddenly UNC is thinking "wtf, the B1G took Maryland?! If anyone is getting a golden parachute, it's UNC!!" But the ACC does appear to be more stable now. When will the GOR lawsuit be settled?
 
Ain't nothing happening for a while.....in 10 years, as the GOR winds down, maybe...maybe not.

I, myself, think that the the ACC will be much the same...

After several years of reading earnest blathering....FSU and Clemson to the Big 12, Miami to the Big 12, Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten, Penn State to the ACC, UCF and USF to the Big 12, Texas to the ACC.I have come to realize that the Dude Virus has infected many of us.
while there is a ton of excessive noise and wild speculation on the cr board, the idea that nothing will happen for 10 years is the craziest of them all. sounds more like wishful thinking to me.
 
Well...Delaney even stated that he thought that the ACC GOR pretty much ended B1G expansion.


"The ACC’s new grant of rights television deal—tying all 14 teams and Notre Dame into a long-term revenue sharing contract—has leveled off further realignment. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, whose conference presidents have been “evaluating” the conference landscape, said Tuesday further Big Ten expansion is unlikely.

“Given everything that has gone on, yes,” Delany said when asked about the ACC’s deal cementing the current five major conferences to their respective lineups.
 
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I know the drill...to keep to the board narrative there will be a myriad of posts opining that Delaney didn't mean what he said but was only obfuscating his intent.
 
Well...Delaney even stated that he thought that the ACC GOR pretty much ended B1G expansion.


"The ACC’s new grant of rights television deal—tying all 14 teams and Notre Dame into a long-term revenue sharing contract—has leveled off further realignment. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, whose conference presidents have been “evaluating” the conference landscape, said Tuesday further Big Ten expansion is unlikely.

“Given everything that has gone on, yes,” Delany said when asked about the ACC’s deal cementing the current five major conferences to their respective lineups.
I understand quoting Delaney, but can you believe ANYTHING in print? If he wants to expand, what would he say? "Sure, we are considering expansion, and we hope to make an offer but we really don't want Swofford to know about it, so I'm hoping he doesn't read this."
 
Please remind me again why the ACC is far more stable than the Big 12? I mean, the Big 12 hosts 2 of the probably the top 5(in terms of power) football programs while the ACC has an inferior payout with no tv network. With time, the gap between the haves and have nots of the P5 will also widen with the ACC being a have not. If anyone gets restless over the next ten years, my guess is that it will be the FSUs and Clemsons of the world. Not Texas and Oklahoma.
 
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Well...Delaney even stated that he thought that the ACC GOR pretty much ended B1G expansion.


"The ACC’s new grant of rights television deal—tying all 14 teams and Notre Dame into a long-term revenue sharing contract—has leveled off further realignment. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, whose conference presidents have been “evaluating” the conference landscape, said Tuesday further Big Ten expansion is unlikely.

“Given everything that has gone on, yes,” Delany said when asked about the ACC’s deal cementing the current five major conferences to their respective lineups.

Hahaha. I guess I was a fool thinking that Delany was simply playing Swofford. Guess he played you as well. Delany sounds threatened to me. NOT.
 
Lol. It is indeed "1". Which is exactly what I mean for my nom de guerre to be. Hence, "tightening up" is unnecessary.


Just don't ask McCants turns out Algebra is tough.[/QUOTE]
and, at UNC anyway, irrelevant.
 
Please remind me again why the ACC is far more stable than the Big 12? I mean, the Big 12 hosts 2 of the probably the top 5(in terms of power) football programs while the ACC has an inferior payout with no tv network. With time, the gap between the haves and have nots of the P5 will also widen with the ACC being a have not. If anyone gets restless over the next ten years, my guess is that it will be the FSUs and Clemsons of the world. Not Texas and Oklahoma.

If indeed true that TV’s rule conference realignment, it’s clear why the ACC is stronger than the XII. While the ACC has 7 and the XII has 6 markets in the top 50 US TV markets, The ACC has 3 in the top 10 (NYC w/ Syracuse, Boston w/ BC, and DC w/ UVA while the XII only has 2 (Dallas and Houston w/ U Texas). The XII has no other markets in the Top 25 while the ACC has 3 more (Miami w/ U, Pitt w/ Pitt and RDU w/ Duke, UNC, NC St, Wake). The rest of the XII’s TV markets are Kanas City (#31), San Antonio (#36, assuming that U Texas is there), #41 Oklahoma City and #45 Austin. Both conferences also have 1 national brand in ND and Texas respectively, so I call that a wash (or a poison pill). Thus, based on potential TV revenue, the ACC is stronger.
 
If indeed true that TV’s rule conference realignment, it’s clear why the ACC is stronger than the XII. While the ACC has 7 and the XII has 6 markets in the top 50 US TV markets, The ACC has 3 in the top 10 (NYC w/ Syracuse, Boston w/ BC, and DC w/ UVA while the XII only has 2 (Dallas and Houston w/ U Texas). The XII has no other markets in the Top 25 while the ACC has 3 more (Miami w/ U, Pitt w/ Pitt and RDU w/ Duke, UNC, NC St, Wake). The rest of the XII’s TV markets are Kanas City (#31), San Antonio (#36, assuming that U Texas is there), #41 Oklahoma City and #45 Austin. Both conferences also have 1 national brand in ND and Texas respectively, so I call that a wash (or a poison pill). Thus, based on potential TV revenue, the ACC is stronger.
Yes Coney but in most of the ACC there in the SEC's shadow(footprint) whereas in the Big12 they really dominate within there admittedly narrower footprint!But like you said it looks like a wash all things considered ! Outside of NC/Va I'm not sure the ACC dominates much in terms of markets !?!
 
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