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If you make a little stretch for Kansas, it’s an all blue blood Final Four.

CL82 said:
Don’t disagree, except when you add Duke to the blueblood list using your definition. Their first Natty was in 1991.
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They made 8 Final Fours before that, though.

They had as many Final Fours before the tournament expanded in 1985 as Villanova has now in total. They had very good old history, great modern history (80s, 90s), and great present.
 
CL82 said:
Don’t disagree, except when you add Duke to the blueblood list using your definition. Their first Natty was in 1991.
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They are 4th in all time wins. They were pretty good for a long time.
 
auror said:
They made 8 Final Fours before that, though.

They had as many Final Fours before the tournament expanded in 1985 as Villanova has now in total. They had very good old history, great modern history (80s, 90s), and great present.
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Don’t disagree, but it all comes back to how you are defining Blue Bloods.
 
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auror said:
Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, and UNC have at least 16 final fours each.

Nobody else has more than 10. It's a real clear delineator. Those 5 have had the most total, the most consistent, and the longest success. Plus they're all blue uniforms.

Duke, UNC, and Kansas have each made a Final Four in every single decade since the 1960's, including the 2020's. 7 straight decades with at least 1 FF for each. Kentucky missed the '00s and hasn't gotten '20s yet, but made 4 in the decade in-between. UCLA missed the '10s and technically their 1 in the '80s was vacated, but they have the 2nid most in total.

Nova, for comparison, has 6 FF total. 10 less than all of the above. 4 since 2009 makes them a New Blood, not a Blue Blood.
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to:dr. Overvalue Final Fours, undervalue titles
 
CL82 said:
Don’t disagree, except when you add Duke to the blueblood list using your definition. Their first Natty was in 1991.
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Right. Duke’s first is in the 1990s. Hardly old money by the argument previously floated.

Nova 1985 title, long history of winning, and Final Fours in 1939 and 1971.

If New Money is an issue, Duke falls in behind Nova.
 
HuskyHawk said:
They are 4th in all time wins. They were pretty good for a long time.
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Yup, and we are fifth in all time wins and have been pretty good for a long time. The difference is, arguably, one more Natty, yet Duke is often included with the blue bloods in Connecticut is not. The distinction seems fairly arbitrary.

Since”Blue blood“ was a term that was already in play as basketball “old money“ before Duke won its first national championship, then they definitionally are not one. Now, if we want to re-define “blue blood“ to be the currently top five strongest programs, that’s fine we can do that, but then you leave out UCLA. Or I guess you could define it as any group of schools with at least three national championships, but all those are different things. The randomness of how the term is used is vaguely annoying to me.
 
Zissou said:
Right. Duke’s first is in the 1990s. Hardly old money by the argument previously floated.

Nova 1985 title, long history of winning, and Final Fours in 1939 and 1971.

If New Money is an issue, Duke falls in behind Nova.
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Lol, when you find yourself arguing that one school should be included and another not based upon the difference in first title date of 6 to 10 years, I think your argument is tortured. But, it’s essentially a meaningless term at this point.

For what it’s worth, I’m rooting for Villanova the rest of the way based upon the faint praise of you guys being the least objectionable program left. So… Go Wildcats?
 
CL82 said:
Yup, and we are fifth in all time wins and have been pretty good for a long time. The difference is, arguably, one more Natty, yet Duke is often included with the blue bloods in Connecticut is not. The distinction seems fairly arbitrary.

Since”Blue blood“ was a term that was already in play as basketball “old money“ before Duke won its first national championship, then they definitionally are not one. Now, if we want to re-define “blue blood“ to be the currently top five strongest programs, that’s fine we can do that, but then you leave out UCLA. Or I guess you could define it as any group of schools with at least three national championships, but all those are different things. The randomness of how the term is used is vaguely annoying to me.
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UConn is 28th all time in wins. Too much emphasis on "championships" and not enough on winning games, year after year.
 
HuskyHawk said:
UConn is 28th all time in wins. Too much emphasis on "championships" and not enough on winning games, year after year.
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Well, in our defense, there were four times that we would’ve been willing to play more games, but there was no one left to play.
 
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If you didn’t take out some Duke insurance via futures bet then I don’t know what to tell you.
 
To me the blue bloods are UCLA, Kentucky, UNC, Duke and Kansas. I think Indiana at one point was also considered with 5, but in my mind have dropped down into the next tier. Indiana, UConn, Ville, Nova, Mich St and Zona. Florida and Cuse just behind them.
 
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CL82 said:
Lol, when you find yourself arguing that one school should be included and another not based upon the difference in first title date of 6 to 10 years, I think your argument is tortured. But, it’s essentially a meaningless term at this point.

For what it’s worth, I’m rooting for Villanova the rest of the way based upon the faint praise of you guys being the least objectionable program left. So… Go Wildcats?
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No no - you have my list…. UNC, Duke, UConn, Ville, Kentucky, Nova. 3 or more titles in the modern era.

I’m just saying that Duke as old money is a flawed argument. First Title 1991, after Nova’s first title (and Nova was in the first Final Four). Duke and UConn are same tier.

Kansas has a ton of wins. But only 2 titles in the modern era. UCLA as well, plus all the Wooden titles. Arizona has one title all time. Indiana hasn’t been relevant since BK. They are all 2nd tier with the recency bias of modern era. IMHO
 
Kansas? Pretty sure we have to stretch Villanova a lot harder than the Jayhawks lol. Wow Howard Porters didn’t even count and he’s not Wilt Chamberlain by any stretch.
 
Zissou said:
No no - you have my list…. UNC, Duke, UConn, Ville, Kentucky, Nova. 3 or more titles in the modern era.

I’m just saying that Duke as old money is a flawed argument. First Title 1991, after Nova’s first title (and Nova was in the first Final Four). Duke and UConn are same tier.

Kansas has a ton of wins. But only 2 titles in the modern era. UCLA as well, plus all the Wooden titles. Arizona has one title all time. Indiana hasn’t been relevant since BK. They are all 2nd tier with the recency bias of modern era. IMHO
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Shhhh!

Don't tell the nation...that Duke isn't a Blue Bllod....they think that they are.

Duke is 7-3 over Nova...
 
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Need nova to win to win softball league bracket. Let’s go Nova.

Kansas is blue blood as anyone.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
At this point I mostly care about Duke not winning.

After that I guess I'm rooting for Nova, but Justin Moore's injury really takes the wind out of those sails.
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Uggh! I had a dream a couple weeks ago they won it all. I hope i jinxed them.
 
Cuse Socks said:
The 4 blue bloods are Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and UNC.
Villanova, UConn, MSU and Arizona are in my tier 2 blue bloods.
and the historical honorable mentions are UCLA and Indiana.
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John Wooden is HM? Oops, just saw the Cuse in your name. Surprised you didn’t include them too.
 
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As cringe-inducing as this year’s F4 is, it’s a pretty obvious UNC or bust this year. Nobody likes Duke and we want to keep that 1 title lead on Nova and Kansas.
 
tykurez said:
As cringe-inducing as this year’s F4 is, it’s a pretty obvious UNC or bust this year. Nobody likes Duke and we want to keep that 1 title lead on Nova and Kansas.
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See that’s an interesting take, and I agree. I also like UNC more than Duke and KU basically always. But this year I feel like KU or Nova are the teams I’d rather root for, and it’s tough to explain why.

I guess Nova overall would be my normal rooting interest, but 3 titles in like 6-7 years puts them in real “top program” status and that gets dangerous for UConn fans.
 
Cuse Socks said:
The 4 blue bloods are Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and UNC.
Villanova, UConn, MSU and Arizona are in my tier 2 blue bloods.
and the historical honorable mentions are UCLA and Indiana.
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What’s a blue blood if not tied directly to historical accomplishments?

It’s Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Indiana, UCLA, and Duke. Duke is the outlier having won all their titles under one coach, but they’ve been to the title game under 3 different coaches stretching 6 decades.
 

1. 2022: North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Villanova ​

Sure, having UCLA or Kentucky in the mix here could increase the group's collective total of national titles. But each of these four have cut down the nets at some point since 2008. In fact, no one outside this group won the national title between 2015 and 2018. Additionally, between 2008 and 2018, each of these four teams won at least one national championship, and collectively the group combined for seven titles over that span. The only program in this Final Four whose blue blood status is debatable is Villanova. While two of the Wildcats' three national titles have come under Jay Wright in recent years (2016 and 2018), they were no pushovers before his arrival. Villanova made three Final Four appearances before Wright's tenure and won it all under Rollie Massimino in 1985. As a No. 8 seed, that team is still the worst-seeded team to ever win it all. Wright has certainly taken the program to new heights in his 21 seasons, but Villanova is more than a one-coach wonder.

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Is Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and Villanova the best collection of blue-blood programs ever in a Final Four?

Here's the ranking of the most blue-blood heavy Final Fours of all-time
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Duke was 10th in the conference for 2020-21....

Quite a decent coaching job bringing the Blue Devils from 10th in the ACC to the Final Four..one season later
 
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