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Butch said:
People keep saying Temple has no hope but there's still talk of them going P5.
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They've shown this year (and along with the recent recruiting) that they can produce a more exciting brand of football (hint hint)
 
If UConn can't get Oliver Luck, here is another option. He is more of an administrator -- but has worked for the B12, Pac-10, and B10 in key roles. It is Kevin Weiberg, who was commissioner of the Big 12 Conference, was at the Pac-10 as deputy commissioner. Also was vice president of university planning and development for the Big Ten Network and also as the deputy commissioner of the conference under Jim Delany from 1989 to 1998. Weiberg was an assistant athletic director at WSU from 1980 to 1987. He clearly has the contacts to promote UConn in conference realignment and would be a great asset to any conference.
 
Butch said:
The NIU man knows Chicago. Chicago is the headquarters of the Big Ten. And was recommended by the Big Ten commish to Rutgers. Who thankfully passed over him. If Manuel goes, there is no better candidate than Frazier if we want to aim for the Big Ten. He knows his football coaches, too. And he is from Long Island.
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FDNY99 said:
He knows his hockey too: AD at both Clarkson (ECAC) and Merrimack (Hockey East), in charge of hockey at Wisconsin as Asst AD (also ran men's basketball and football just like Warde did at Michigan..until he was promoted by Alvarez and ran the day to day operations for the entire athletic department), Frazier also served as Chair of the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Committee in 2011.
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You had me at Delany recommended him. I've heard other names, but if the B1G is Susan's end goal (versus any port in the storm) then we should put our best B1G foot forward. If Delany likes him, that's a major plus for me. Shows UConn knows how to play ball and wants to be a willing partner with the B1G. Also Frazier being somewhat local has to be a plus. That could make us an attractive location for him. I'm all in on him should WM leave.
 
I want the guy who can do all the things necessary in the AD to best position UConn athletics to help Herbst get us in a P5. If that is fund raising, hire a fund raiser; if that is relationships in a certain conference, hire someone with the best relationships in that certain conference; if that is hiring successful coaches, hire someone with a track record of hiring successful coaches; if that is scheduling, hire someone who can schedule; if that is making tea and finger sandwiches with the crust cut off, hire someone who can make tea and cut crust.

I trust that Herbst knows the most important levers that need to be pulled in the AD to best enhance our stock in CR and she will bring in the person with that strength.
 
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Newman McMurray Delaney or James Chancellor Delaney come to mind...
 
Just make sure its no one tied to the old BE conference administration.

Its because of that "leadership" most of our rivalries jumped ship when they were able.

No one there ever understood, or wanted to understand the direction was college athletics was taking.

This can't be an on the job learning experience. We need some one who has proven they can jump high hurdles rather than crawl under them. I'd take Luck or Pernetti in a heartbeat.

How about other strong arm AD's......like our nemesis from Louisville.

Mr. Burton, where are you? We need some trickle down monies.
 
TDUConn is totally correct. So many of the names I am seeing are people who should be ADs for colleges like Eastern Connecticut, not a school like UConn that somehow has to make it into the B12 or better yet B10, or maybe even the ACC. That is a tough challenge to begin with and having a mediocre AD like Jeff Hathaway again is only going to make it more difficult. How on earth would an assistant AD or an AD at a mid-major have pull with the leadership of the B10? We need to be the most aggressive college in the nation to ensure we are in a P5 conference this year -- not 15 years from now. President Herbst needs to get someone who can take over the realignment tasks and can succeed. Her time is far better spent getting the endowment up to $1B by 2021 (by having the best fundraisers in the nation working for UConn), recruiting Nobel prize winners to the faculty (several of them) (by 2021), and getting UConn into the AAU (this year). She also needs to make sure that UConn is getting a good number of National Merit Scholars in its freshman class each year. Maybe we can even see a UConn graduate receive a Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford -- which, like being in the P5, has yet to happen.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
If Luck wants $1 million to $2 million a year -- go for it! If he gets UConn into B12 or Big10 or even ACC -- will not the extra money from being in that conference make his salary not matter? He doesn't have to stay forever. Just get UConn into P5, and then he can head back to NCAA or whatever he wants. Just think about his presence in a room filled with ADs from top football schools. They will take him a lot more seriously than some bureaucrat who never played football. UConn deserves the best and has to get into P5 ASAP.
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Are we still talking about Uconn? State Univ-- Uconn? And didn't know our pockets were that deep. Since it is, how about going to UT (Austin), Ala., perhaps D'Oh? A reverse raid- we are of course Uconn, we can pay!
 
LoyalFanCT said:
TDUConn is totally correct. So many of the names I am seeing are people who should be ADs for colleges like Eastern Connecticut, not a school like UConn that somehow has to make it into the B12 or better yet B10, or maybe even the ACC. That is a tough challenge to begin with and having a mediocre AD like Jeff Hathaway again is only going to make it more difficult. How on earth would an assistant AD or an AD at a mid-major have pull with the leadership of the B10? We need to be the most aggressive college in the nation to ensure we are in a P5 conference this year -- not 15 years from now. President Herbst needs to get someone who can take over the realignment tasks and can succeed. Her time is far better spent getting the endowment up to $1B by 2021 (by having the best fundraisers in the nation working for UConn), recruiting Nobel prize winners to the faculty (several of them) (by 2021), and getting UConn into the AAU (this year). She also needs to make sure that UConn is getting a good number of National Merit Scholars in its freshman class each year. Maybe we can even see a UConn graduate receive a Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford -- which, like being in the P5, has yet to happen.
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Thanks for your sanity. One thing, skip/drop the Rhodes thing I know a lot about it, and it is old fashion BS. Similar to AAU membership. The latter is a lot more like the House of Lords then Parliment-- but, it is a means for keeping out the many. No one thinks ND isn't a first class U, and the B10 would take them in a second. So much for membership there. Of course, if you can't beat them then join them- if you are allowed!
 
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hjoerring said:
Thanks for your sanity. One thing, skip/drop the Rhodes thing I know a lot about it, and it is old fashion BS. Similar to AAU membership. The latter is a lot more like the House of Lords then Parliment-- but, it is a means for keeping out the many. No one thinks ND isn't a first class U, and the B10 would take them in a second. So much for membership there. Of course, if you can't beat them then join them- if you are allowed!
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Normally, I would agree. Consider this estimate from online: UConn Average Effective Annual Salary for a professor is $187,536. That seems a rather large number. But the better question is what UConn is getting for it. If Oliver Luck came in for three to five years at $1 million a year and UConn gets into a P5 conference, its athletic revenue would skyrocket into the millions of dollars compared to the AAC. Similarly, if the university can attract world renowned scholars such as Nobel prize winners -- private donations and government funds tend to follow them around.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
TDUConn is totally correct. So many of the names I am seeing are people who should be ADs for colleges like Eastern Connecticut, not a school like UConn that somehow has to make it into the B12 or better yet B10, or maybe even the ACC. That is a tough challenge to begin with and having a mediocre AD like Jeff Hathaway again is only going to make it more difficult. How on earth would an assistant AD or an AD at a mid-major have pull with the leadership of the B10? We need to be the most aggressive college in the nation to ensure we are in a P5 conference this year -- not 15 years from now. President Herbst needs to get someone who can take over the realignment tasks and can succeed. Her time is far better spent getting the endowment up to $1B by 2021 (by having the best fundraisers in the nation working for UConn), recruiting Nobel prize winners to the faculty (several of them) (by 2021), and getting UConn into the AAU (this year). She also needs to make sure that UConn is getting a good number of National Merit Scholars in its freshman class each year. Maybe we can even see a UConn graduate receive a Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford -- which, like being in the P5, has yet to happen.
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Not to mention the joy of working with the Connecticut state legislators...
 
Think Mr Burton will be asked for his 2 cents on this?
 
LoyalFanCT said:
If Luck wants $1 million to $2 million a year -- go for it! If he gets UConn into B12 or Big10 or even ACC -- will not the extra money from being in that conference make his salary not matter? He doesn't have to stay forever. Just get UConn into P5, and then he can head back to NCAA or whatever he wants. Just think about his presence in a room filled with ADs from top football schools. They will take him a lot more seriously than some bureaucrat who never played football. UConn deserves the best and has to get into P5 ASAP.
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For the record Frazier played football at Alabama and won a sec title there. Also coached football before working in the AD office at Wisconsin, eventually overseeing football, B-ball and hockey before taking over the day to day operations of the athletic department. he has some great big time program experience.
 
ZOOCONN said:
For the record Frazier played football at Alabama and won a sec title there. Also coached football before working in the AD office at Wisconsin, eventually overseeing football, B-ball and hockey before taking over the day to day operations of the athletic department. he has some great big time program experience.
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And then there is this when Rutgers was looking for someone to replace Pernetti:

Still, multiple sources confirmed to The Record that Delany strongly supported Hermann’s fellow finalist Sean Frazier for the job, believing in Frazier’s work at current Big Ten member Wisconsin and his New York area ties as the perfect match to lead Rutgers’ transition into the biggest level of the big-time college sports world. Rutgers didn’t listen to him then, and they don’t want to listen to anyone now.

Here is link to article:
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/s...deserve-to-inherit-this-rutgers-mess-1.617484
 
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How about, find out which of the B1G presidents are on the fence with regards to UConn joining. Then, figuring out what AD candidate has connections to these schools, presidents or AD's. Because I figure there are presidents who are in favor and some who are not. Let's get the ones who are second guessing UConn and get them on board.
 
housekeys said:
How about, find out which of the B1G presidents are on the fence with regards to UConn joining. Then, figuring out what AD candidate has connections to these schools, presidents or AD's. Because I figure there are presidents who are in favor and some who are not. Let's get the ones who are second guessing UConn and get them on board.
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I would say yes, except substitute B12 ADs for B1G ADs. B12 may move first, although it sounds like Boren and Gee are the outliers and maybe there's too muchr esistance. Either way, B1G may wait until mid 2020's.

Actually if there is a candidate with ties to both B1G schools and Texas / B12 schools.... there's your man.
 
Question--what's Gavitt's background? I've heard a little bit of buzz about the possibility of him coming to UConn as AD, and my initial reaction was sort of pessimistic. He doesn't really have football experience, does he?
 
Sean Frazier might be the best candidate for AD at a Big10 school or even an SEC school. But here is the more basic question: Does he have the skillset to get UConn into a P5 conference? Those are not necessarily the same skillsets. The ACC told UConn to get lost a few years ago. Louisville -- which the older ACC schools considered little better than a community college academically -- took UConn's place, thanks in large part to its AD Tom Jurich. When the ACC told WV to get lost they made it into the B12. That is why Oliver Luck -- former WV AD now at the NCAA -- or even Kevin Weiberg -- former B12 commissioner now teaching sports management at Wichita State -- need to be considered for the UConn AD post. If Frazier so wants to come to UConn he could take the associate AD job until UConn lands in a conference it can tolerate for five to 10 years -- or forever (if its the B10.) Then Frazier could stay here for 25 years. UConn, not just in athletics, but in its academic recruitment of faculty and even fundraising has not been particularly aggressive or nationally prominent. Susan Herbst appears to be trying to change this. Hopefully, she will not let the AD's spot go to the seemingly right person at the wrong time. Anyone can walk into a room filled with ADs and pledge that UConn will be an asset to a conference. Not everyone knows how to convince these skeptics and be believed. Meanwhile, if the B12 lets UConn in before a new AD is hired in Storrs, it is a moot point. Frazier would likely be a top contender.

 
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uconnphil2016 said:
Question--what's Gavitt's background? I've heard a little bit of buzz about the possibility of him coming to UConn as AD, and my initial reaction was sort of pessimistic. He doesn't really have football experience, does he?
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Assuming he's a member of the Providence College mafia, no thanks.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
Sean Frazier might be the best candidate for AD at a Big10 school or even an SEC school. But here is the more basic question: Does he have the skillset to get UConn into a P5 conference? Those are not necessarily the same skillsets. The ACC told UConn to get lost a few years ago. Louisville -- which the older ACC schools considered little better than a community college academically -- took UConn's place, thanks in large part to its AD Tom Jurich. When the ACC told WV to get lost they made it into the B12. That is why Oliver Luck -- former WV AD now at the NCAA -- or even Kevin Weiberg -- former B12 commissioner now teaching sports management at Wichita State -- need to be considered for the UConn AD post. If Frazier so wants to come to UConn he could take the associate AD job until UConn lands in a conference it can tolerate for five to 10 years -- or forever (if its the B10.) Then Frazier could stay here for 25 years. UConn, not just in athletics, but in its academic recruitment of faculty and even fundraising has not been particularly aggressive or nationally prominent. Susan Herbst appears to be trying to change this. Hopefully, she will not let the AD's spot go to the seemingly right person at the wrong time. Anyone can walk into a room filled with ADs and pledge that UConn will be an asset to a conference. Not everyone knows how to convince these skeptics and be believed. Meanwhile, if the B12 lets UConn in before a new AD is hired in Storrs, it is a moot point. Frazier would likely be a top contender.
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Another guy who believes the Jurich PR machine. The only thing Jurich did at Louisville is build up his athletic Dept..unlike his peer and successor at Colorado St Jeff Hathaway!
If you are going to discount Frazier...then throw out every other name mentioned and just give the job to Tranghese...let him get us into a P-5 conference and be done with it. Why would a guy like Frazier take a demotion and come here as Asst AD when he can wait another 3-4 years and walk right into Madison when Alvarez retires. It says something about the Character and reputation of Sean Frazier when Jim Delany personally recommended him to Rutgers as Pernetti's replacement.
 
FDNY99 said:
Another guy who believes the Jurich PR machine. The only thing Jurich did at Louisville is build up his athletic Dept..unlike his peer and successor at Colorado St Jeff Hathaway!
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Couldn't agree more. I think it's well documented that Clemson and FSU put a stake in the ground and said they want a football school. Jurich had a longer FBS history on his side and a better performing team at that time. That and that only is why Louisville got in ahead of us, because they were perceived to be a better FB school.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
Couldn't agree more. I think it's well documented that Clemson and FSU put a stake in the ground and said they want a football school. Jurich had a longer FBS history on his side and a better performing team at that time. That and that only is why Louisville got in ahead of us, because they were perceived to be a better FB school.
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That's right -- and how did FSU and Clemson conclude that Louisville was not only good in football -- but had a commitment to expand resources to the sports program? It was Jurich. They bought his pitch. If the ACC was just looking for another decent football program they could have gone with Navy for football-only. Being able to convince a group of ADs of something doubtful is exactly the skill UConn needs in its next AD. Don't be angry with Louisville or Jurich -- see how they made it into the P5 and do likewise.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
That's right -- and how did FSU and Clemson conclude that Louisville was not only good in football -- but had a commitment to expand resources to the sports program? It was Jurich. They bought his pitch. If the ACC was just looking for another decent football program they could have gone with Navy for football-only. Being able to convince a group of ADs of something doubtful is exactly the skill UConn needs in its next AD. Don't be angry with Louisville or Jurich -- see how they made it into the P5 and do likewise.
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This narrative is overblown. More than anything, FSU and Clemson wanted a southern school with a southern football culture. There wasn't much we could do about it.

I'm not going to pretend to know who the right guy is, I'd be better at picking out who it isn't. I trust Susan to get it right. She knows the stakes and has the connections to other schools to find out who among the candidates would move the needle for us. It will take a little faith is all.
 
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