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billybud said:
Am I the only one who believes that no current P5 teams will leave their conference in the next 10 years?

I do believe that any P5 expansion will involve the current G5 teams only....it looks like the Big 12 will end up adding at least two.

Whether the SEC or Big Ten will go to 16 is open and a possibility...but not with P5 programs, I don't think.
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Off topic but what a great move by Jimbo banning your underage players from bar hopping. That's the leadership UConn needs.
 
CTMike said:
Warde Haters are always going to set unattainable goals to use as "proof" of ineffectiveness. The B12 is a Hail Mary... How often do those work? But if your 1 in 20 shot doesn't work you should be fired! Heck why not fire him if the SEC or Pac12 don't take us? Maybe our odds would be better if we followed the Nelson Plan and cancelled football?
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Unattainable goals and Hail Mary's like Cuse and Pitt to the ACC? Like WVU to the Big12? Like Louisville Community College to the ACC? Like Rutgers to the B1G?
RUTGERS??? Stop making excuses. If Warde can't do it then hire Pernetti or Jurich or Luck and pay them whatever it takes.
 
There is only one chance of Uconn to the b12, if they go to 16 with Uconn, Cincy, plus two of Memphis, UCF, BYU.

Which is the only thing that makes it more probable than Uconn to the P12. I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on either happening.

You are better off hoping they can lure FSU. Which also won't happen unless Texas stops with the ND impersonation.
 
We got a shot if B12 goes to 14 like all other major conferences except for the PAC-12. I hope we are taken. It would be horrible if we get left behind again. Either ACC or the B12 has to make a move. Hopefully, B1G will do it before all others. Anything is more desirable than the AAC.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I posited in the original post in this thread that at some point Manuel should be held responsible for what happens at UConn. We have almost two pages of people disagreeing with me on that point, including you.
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You don't get to say that I think he's doing a "good job" because I conclude that the best AD ever is probably powerless to get us into the P5 at the moment. So please try to argue with what people are actually saying, instead of what you conclude they should be saying in order that you can pick it apart.

Or -- as an alternative -- you could STFU.
 
billybud said:
Am I the only one who believes that no current P5 teams will leave their conference in the next 10 years?

I do believe that any P5 expansion will involve the current G5 teams only....it looks like the Big 12 will end up adding at least two.

Whether the SEC or Big Ten will go to 16 is open and a possibility...but not with P5 programs, I don't think.
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I think you are HOPING this is what is going to be the rule.

FACT is - Econ 101 - Cartels cheat. And Florida State might be a prime mover. Texas. Oklahoma. Georgia Tech, Virginia, VaTech, a NC school. Why? The disparity of Revenue is huge; the Prestige is also desired - as the Ranking move the best to be far more attractive for future enrollments and grants; and Brand. With the growing SEC brand on their Network; and continuing advancement on the BTN ... do you really doubt what is coming?

If your answer is the GoR is going to keep teams in place, I am going to laugh in your face.
 
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Pudge said:
I think you are HOPING this is what is going to be the rule.

FACT is - Econ 101 - Cartels cheat. And Florida State might be a prime mover. Texas. Oklahoma. Georgia Tech, Virginia, VaTech, a NC school. Why? The disparity of Revenue is huge; the Prestige is also desired - as the Ranking move the best to be far more attractive for future enrollments and grants; and Brand. With the growing SEC brand on their Network; and continuing advancement on the BTN ... do you really doubt what is coming?

If your answer is the GoR is going to keep teams in place, I am going to laugh in your face.
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Why would FSU consider the Big XII? The money will not be close to the ACC. Maybe the SEC but the SEC Doesnt want them. The B1G grabbing UVA is a more realistic scenario than FSU.

The real hope for Uconn is a two loss SEC champ, B1G champ, or a 1 loss runner up that loses a conference CG being shut out of the 4 team playoff. That will move the playoff to 8 almost overnight and the rush to 16 team conferences accelerates.

The Big 12 is a pipe dream. And a bad dream at that. Uconn has already been a late to the party member of one death bed conference, dominated by a single school when it comes to conference decisions, why would they want to rush to another? I guess you can live on exit fees again.
 
06029 said:
Why would FSU consider the Big XII? The money will not be close to the ACC. Maybe the SEC but the SEC Doesnt want them. The B1G grabbing UVA is a more realistic scenario than FSU.

The real hope for Uconn is a two loss SEC champ, B1G champ, or a 1 loss runner up that loses a conference CG being shut out of the 4 team playoff. That will move the playoff to 8 almost overnight and the rush to 16 team conferences accelerates.

The Big 12 is a pipe dream. And a bad dream at that. Uconn has already been a late to the party member of one death bed conference, dominated by a single school when it comes to conference decisions, why would they want to rush to another? I guess you can live on exit fees again.
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I see no scenario where Florida State goes to the B12. Zero.

B12 may find itself with both UCF & USF before the Seminoles.
 
06029 said:
Why would FSU consider the Big XII? The money will not be close to the ACC. Maybe the SEC but the SEC Doesnt want them. The B1G grabbing UVA is a more realistic scenario than FSU.
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With things as they are, they wouldn't.

The Big 12 is worth more financially, but obviously, it exists so long as Texas wants it to and that is a bad place to put your athletic department.

If the Big Ten or SEC did start grabbing ACC teams, then who knows.

As for UConn - they go with whoever offers whenever they offer. No choice.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Either you are deliberately misrepresenting my position or are too stupid to understand it. Which is it?
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Everyone has read your posts, and you've repeated many times that UConn should drop football and beg for entry in to the league formerly known as the Big East for hoops - as small minded as it gets. If you feel otherwise, that's on you to try and convince others - not me.
 
1husky said:
Unattainable goals and Hail Mary's like Cuse and Pitt to the ACC? Like WVU to the Big12? Like Louisville Community College to the ACC? Like Rutgers to the B1G?
RUTGERS??? Stop making excuses. If Warde can't do it then hire Pernetti or Jurich or Luck and pay them whatever it takes.
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I'm not against accountability for things he can control. If you think all those things were in his control, then we are just not going to agree on that.
 
Nelson's mind is like a bad neighborhood, you don't go in there alone. But hey, everyone is talking about him for a day, he gets to fabricate more strawmen and gets to add some posters to his "disdain" list so it's all good.
 
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What I heard today:

The Big 12 wants to expand, not disband.

Their targets?

BYU
Louisville.

No, I wasn't at a car wash.
 
J187Money said:
What I heard today:

The Big 12 wants to expand, not disband.

Their targets?

BYU
Louisville.

No, I wasn't at a car wash.
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Taking it at face value, Louisville out kicked its coverage when getting into the ACC. No way the B12 looks good to it now.
 
J187Money said:
What I heard today:

The Big 12 wants to expand, not disband.

Their targets?

BYU
Louisville.

No, I wasn't at a car wash.
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If we can parlay that in to the ACC... Then win win all around.
 
billybud said:
Am I the only one who believes that no current P5 teams will leave their conference in the next 10 years?
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Yes.

It is merely a matter of when, not if, that the SEC decides to plant their flag in the states of Virginia and North Carolina, locking up the southern half of the east coast and landing the only states that were once in the confederacy that are not currently in the SEC.
 
CTMike said:
If we can parlay that in to the ACC... Then win win all around.
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That's what I said. Understand that might be what the Big 12 wants. Not what LV wants.
 
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CTMike said:
If we can parlay that in to the ACC... Then win win all around.
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Or they add Cincy to pick up Ohio for cable boxes....and because BC, Clemson and FL St won't take us.
 
J187Money said:
That's what I said. Understand that might be what the Big 12 wants. Not what LV wants.
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If it's something that's actually being floated (no way for me to know obviously)... Then I would hope that UConn takes a few minutes to consider : how can we help incentivize/ alleviate any fears to make this happen? Money? Here's a check. Etc.

Really, same with any potential moves : what are the roadblocks and how do we mitigate them for all players.
 
Exit 4 said:
Or they add Cincy to pick up Ohio for cable boxes....and because BC, Clemson and FL St won't take us.
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IF ONLY WARDE PUT DOWN THE DONUT THEY WOULD LIKE US!

That's certainly possible too - plan for how to counter.
 
CTMike said:
IF ONLY WARDE PUT DOWN THE DONUT THEY WOULD LIKE US!

That's certainly possible too - plan for how to counter.
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Taking this a different direction, I'm just looking forward to the new super AAC conference when we fold in Kanas St, Ok St, Iowa St, Texas Tech and WV!
 
J187Money said:
What I heard today:

The Big 12 wants to expand, not disband.

Their targets?

BYU
Louisville.

No, I wasn't at a car wash.
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Texas basically told the B-12 members who are their toads (BU, TCU, TT, KSU & ISU) that they could publicly favor expansion but only if it were for a school that has already turned the conference down (BYU) and one that would never leave the new home they are thrilled to be part of (UL). This is B-12 expansion Longhorn style.
 
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Money, you seem to be a reasonable poster. But are you sure you weren't drinking some fine Onyx moonshine with some hillbillies from WV?
 
wethyhusky said:
Money, you seem to be a reasonable poster. But are you sure you weren't drinking some fine Onyx moonshine with some hillbillies from WV?
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It sounds like sane plan. But maybe its a plan to buy time and placate. I wouldn't confuse such a plan with true commitment by Texas to stay for the long run themselves. As the SEC, B1G and ACC bolster their revenues in the coming years with better network deals, look for Texas & OU to pull strings for an exit.
 
wethyhusky said:
Money, you seem to be a reasonable poster. But are you sure you weren't drinking some fine Onyx moonshine with some hillbillies from WV?
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No. I was golfing with an ex-pro football player who went to a SEC school and works in sports media. I asked him what his thoughts were. That's what he told me. Just a data point.
 
Interesting theory. Never considered it. Could Louisville really pull a TCU? When you consider that they've been a member of 4 conferences over the past decade, what's one more. Of course, we are moments away from hearing about the ACC's Ironclad GOR. (In truth, Ironclad contracts are about as rare as unicorns, especially when stacks of money can be thrown at it.) So, could talk of a Louisville exit give impetus to Florida State and possibly Clemson to bolt the ACC for the Big 12? The B1G and SEC would certainly facilitate. The idea of Louisville as a target could be ingenious or totally off-base. . .
 
itgoeslike said:
Interesting theory. Never considered it. Could Louisville really pull a TCU? When you consider that they've been a member of 4 conferences over the past decade, what's one more. Of course, we are moments away from hearing about the ACC's Ironclad GOR. (In truth, Ironclad contracts are about as rare as unicorns, especially when stacks of money can be thrown at it.) So, could talk of a Louisville exit give impetus to Florida State and possibly Clemson to bolt the ACC for the Big 12? The B1G and SEC would certainly facilitate. The idea of Louisville as a target could be ingenious or totally off-base. . .
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Louisville is not leaving 1 potentially doomed P5 for another potentially doomed P5 and the ACC looks to be the safer bet of the two. Now, say Missouri gets invited to the B1G and accepts (guess their President would jump at that, AD less so) and the SEC invites Louisville to fill that slot, then the Cards jump.
 
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