IF there is Big 12 Expansion

[Dooley]

Louisville is not leaving 1 potentially doomed P5 for another potentially doomed P5 and the ACC looks to be the safer bet of the two. Now, say Missouri gets invited to the B1G and accepts (guess their President would jump at that, AD less so) and the SEC invites Louisville to fill that slot, then the Cards jump.

...and pay $52M in exit fee and fight/settle a GoR in court to do it. I can't see any school leaving the ACC to go to the B12. Leaving for the greener pastures of the B1G or SEC is one thing. But that seems like a helluva lot money to pay to go to a conference that could very well fold in 1-2 years should UT/OU/KU leave.

 

[itgoeslike]

Louisville is not leaving 1 potentially doomed P5 for another potentially doomed P5 and the ACC looks to be the safer bet of the two. Now, say Missouri gets invited to the B1G and accepts (guess their President would jump at that, AD less so) and the SEC invites Louisville to fill that slot, then the Cards jump.

I never said I bought in, but rather it was an interesting slant. It's either going to be the Big12 or ACC that unwinds if we go to 4 conferences. Today it looks like the Big12 has more dissension. Although, the Big 12 does have a more lucrative deal (more TV money [that's not front-loaded] + tier 3). And if the ACCN never materializes it's going to get worse. Not saying it's going to happen, but if the Big 12 could somehow convince Louisville, FSU, Clemson and GT to come over as a block it would be a coup. Fox would be for it and likely willing to reach into its pockets. Lastly, I think Missouri leaving the SEC would be equally surprising.

 

[itgoeslike]

...and pay $52M in exit fee and fight/settle a GoR in court to do it. I can't see any school leaving the ACC to go to the B12. Leaving for the greener pastures of the B1G or SEC is one thing. But that seems like a helluva lot money to pay to go to a conference that could very well fold in 1-2 years should UT/OU/KU leave.

Again, I'm not suggesting this is going to happen, just commenting at the suggestion that Louisville is a target. But, let's say this scenario gained enough traction so that the ACC looked like it could unwind, you might see UVA and UNC jump to the B1g and VT and NC State to SEC. At that point, the conference likely has a provision for dissolution that could render the GOR and exit fees meaningless. If you think about it, it's highly unlikely that Louisville would be invited to the B1g or SEC (see Kentucky), so they are stuck in one of two conferences that could dissolve. By joining the Big12 and undermining the ACC, Louisville could ensure itself a seat in one of the final P4 conferences. No more worries and more money to boot. Just thinking out loud. . .

 

[CL82]

What I heard today:

The Big 12 wants to expand, not disband.

Their targets?

BYU
Louisville.

No, I wasn't at a car wash.

Then you aren't credible. You had me until that last part.

 

[billybud]

I think you are HOPING this is what is going to be the rule.

FACT is - Econ 101 - Cartels cheat. And Florida State might be a prime mover. Texas. Oklahoma. Georgia Tech, Virginia, VaTech, a NC school. Why? The disparity of Revenue is huge; the Prestige is also desired - as the Ranking move the best to be far more attractive for future enrollments and grants; and Brand. With the growing SEC brand on their Network; and continuing advancement on the BTN ... do you really doubt what is coming?

If your answer is the GoR is going to keep teams in place, I am going to laugh in your face.

My answer is the GOR will keep current teams in the ACC for 10 years...and your bit about laughing in my face is just a bit of aggressive hoo ha (pun intended hoo).

Come back to me when a team challenges a GOR and I may stop chuckling. The ten years will go fast.

....time is slippin', slippin' slippin', Into the future.

 

[pj]

None of these P5 rearrangements will happen without consent of all the parties -- schools involved, conferences involved, TV networks involved. None of those parties want destructive lawsuits. You could have mutually agreed rearrangements like swapping Louisville for WVU, which might be a better fit for all sides.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

He's the phantom of the Big East.

He haunts the Providence Civic Center.

That's what I thought.

 

[SAMCRO]

None of these P5 rearrangements will happen without consent of all the parties -- schools involved, conferences involved, TV networks involved. None of those parties want destructive lawsuits. You could have mutually agreed rearrangements like swapping Louisville for WVU, which might be a better fit for all sides.

Swapping WVU and UL makes too much sense for both leagues, which means it will never happen. First, very doubtful UL would want to go that route, I am guessing they are very happy in the ACC for BB and FB purposes. WVU on the other hand would offer to pay for UL to change out logos on all their courts, fields, and uniforms if that ever happened, and maybe even pick up UL's travel bill for the inaugural season. The B12 could then add Memphis, Cinci, CSU, and BYU to go to 14, get back to an old state in Colorado, bring in a national program like BYU, and makes for easier travel for their eastern members, with established rivalries. The ACC would put WVU back in play with the likes of Pitt and VT, two long time rivals, as well as SU, BC, Miami, and a short trip for UVa. And, most importantly for the rest of the college sports world, it still meets the criteria of the first rule of conference realignment.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Swapping WVU and UL makes too much sense for both leagues, which means it will never happen. First, very doubtful UL would want to go that route, I am guessing they are very happy in the ACC for BB and FB purposes.

If Louisville went to the XII or SEC, they would have to also worry about some of their Olympic sports - primarily men's soccer and field hockey, both ranked teams at Louisville that neither conference sponsors. Its nothing money wise; but, it is an extra hassle.

That said, Kentucky does not have the power within the SEC of Florida or South Carolina and thus there is a slight chance that the SEC would invite Louisville with the goal of monetizing a two to three times a year basketball game between the the Cards and the Wildcats. Especially if the SEC needed to fill a slot left by Missouri jumping to the B1G for non-football reasons (slight chance). The ACC could then grab West Virginia (ignoring GOR and other stuff, hey, its a dream) to fill in their own gap with the B1G pairs Missouri with UConn. That still leaves the B1G with 4 remaining slots down the road when either the ACC or XII falls apart (ACC = UVA, UNC, G Tech, Florida St; XII = Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, TBD).

 

[DarthGrumpy]

...and pay $52M in exit fee and fight/settle a GoR in court to do it. I can't see any school leaving the ACC to go to the B12. Leaving for the greener pastures of the B1G or SEC is one thing. But that seems like a helluva lot money to pay to go to a conference that could very well fold in 1-2 years should UT/OU/KU leave.

No to mention the 'cost' of having to deal with U Texas on a regular basis.

 

[junglehusky]

I would love to see a UL / WVU swap, if only to see the dood's reactions.

 

[amory]

We're not going to the Big 12. We couldn't get support from the ACC which has better basketball, worse football, and teams in our general area.

Plus the Big 12 is too stupid to want us.

 

[CL82]

I would love to see a UL / WVU swap, if only to see the dood's reactions.

I would love to see a Cinci/WVU swap for exactly the same reasons.

 

[pj]

We're not going to the Big 12. We couldn't get support from the ACC which has better basketball, worse football, and teams in our general area.

Plus the Big 12 is too stupid to want us.

The ACC is stupid enough that they'd rather block the B12 than do what's in their own self-interest. They didn't get interested in a network until after the B1G and SEC were already rolling in the dollars.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/article/20150723/GZ02/150729694

There is an official expansion committee. We are well past the realm of moonshine drinking, basement dweller, fantasy.

Manuel has two options: 1) Make the sale and he is a hero. 2) Don't make the sale, and he should be fired. Sometimes, "trying" is not enough. Get it done.

 

[CallMeBruce]

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/article/20150723/GZ02/150729694

There is an official expansion committee. We are well past the realm of moonshine drinking, basement dweller, fantasy.

Manuel has two options: 1) Make the sale and he is a hero. 2) Don't make the sale, and he should be fired. Sometimes, "trying" is not enough. Get it done.

There's definitely a third option, and it's better than both of those.

 

[noeynox]

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/article/20150723/GZ02/150729694

There is an official expansion committee. We are well past the realm of moonshine drinking, basement dweller, fantasy.

Manuel has two options: 1) Make the sale and he is a hero. 2) Don't make the sale, and he should be fired. Sometimes, "trying" is not enough. Get it done.

I liked your post not because I think Warde should be fired if we don't get the invite, but because this should be priority number one in storrs. Sell Fox on the idea that if they add uconn to the big 12, they can also get uconn to play Big East teams regularly in mens and women's bball, thus elevating that conferences moribund TV ratings as well.

UConn has to make itself a viable candidate here. This requires all hands on deck, not just Warde.

 

[Huskygrad88]

There's definitely a third option, and it's better than both of those.

That is correct...and for anyone who saw this article, interesting to note that they list 7 schools not named UConn. Despite the Big XII being a horrible fit, it is disheartening that someone took the time to list Colorado State.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I liked your post not because I think Warde should be fired if we don't get the invite, but because this should be priority number one in storrs. Sell Fox on the idea that if they add uconn to the big 12, they can also get uconn to play Big East teams regularly in mens and women's bball, thus elevating that conferences moribund TV ratings as well.

UConn has to make itself a viable candidate here. This requires all hands on deck, not just Warde.

Anyone who has been in sales knows that sometimes there are just no more excuses. Get whoever you have to get into a room with the buyer and get the freaking sale closed. If Manuel needs to get 1 or more of the following in the room, get them in the room: Herbst, Malloy, Murphy and Blumenthal, business leaders, UConn alum at ESPN, the ladies from the VIP room at Beamers, whoever. If it doesn't close, it is on him.

If I were Manuel, I would take a trip this afternoon to Louisville and sit down with the guy that kicked Warde's ass last time Warde was in this spot. What did Jurich do? I bet it involved a lot of coke and hookers, but he got it done.

 

[junglehusky]

Yeah, Tom Jurich will tell Warde the magic sales pitch.

 

[Pat125]

Yeah, Tom Jurich will tell Warde the magic sales pitch.

The "magic" sales pitch that Jurich used was simply that Louisville was interested. The rest was unnecessary and did not contribute to their being chosen. The ACC presidents simply made the choice that Florida St and Clemson had to appeased.

 

[junglehusky]

The "magic" sales pitch that Jurich used was simply that Louisville was interested. The rest was unnecessary and did not contribute to their being chosen. The ACC presidents simply made the choice that Florida St and Clemson had to appeased.

That should be obvious, but apparently fans and maybe some of the media can't help themselves but to buy into the legend of Bill Brasky, I mean Tom Jurich.

 

[Nostical]

Pay Donald Trump to negotiate the deal.

 

[J187Money]

Unless that's not what the BOT wants. Can't kill Warde for not trying if management isn't interested in the Big 12.

 

[Husky25]

Tom "Blake" Jurich or is it Nelson "Blake" Muntz


(The actual clip is twice as long and NSFW...and not as funny...)

 

[whaler11]

Unless that's not what the BOT wants. Can't kill Warde for not trying if management isn't interested in the Big 12.

If the management isn't interested in a Big 12 invite they should be replaced yesterday. Herbst, Warde and anyone else who isn't 'interested'.

You can't convince them - understood. You aren't interested? Next rocket to the sun.

 

[J187Money]

If the management isn't interested in a Big 12 invite they should be replaced yesterday. Herbst, Warde and anyone else who isn't 'interested'. You can't convince them - understood. You aren't interested? Next rocket to the sun.

My bigger point is this isn't on Warde alone.

 

[buddy]

My bigger point is this isn't on Warde alone.

Other than the most extremely optimistic posters here, I think there is a lack of confidence in him in general, whether deserved or not after he was schooled by Jurich. Certainly he will be judged based on the outcome of CR in the next year or so. However, I believe that UConn is already invited somewhere. Just waiting for the announcement. Then he will be a hero.

 

[NickyNewark]

Other than the most extremely optimistic posters here, I think there is a lack of confidence in him in general, whether deserved or not after he was schooled by Jurich. Certainly he will be judged based on the outcome of CR in the next year or so. However, I believe that UConn is already invited somewhere. Just waiting for the announcement. Then he will be a hero.

thats my sense of the situation too!

 

[huskymedic]

According to McMurphy on radio today discussing Memphis's chances for the Big12:

“When the ACC made their last move with expansion, they took Louisville. The reason why they took Louisville is not TV market, it wasn’t size of the city, size of the state. It was who is the best available football program out there? That’s why they got Louisville. If it would’ve happened a couple years earlier, it probably would’ve been Connecticut. They were coming off the Fiesta Bowl, the basketball team had won the national title, Louisville was struggling. … So what may seem like the best two teams right now may look a lot different in three years.”