If Reed can play like he did

[Scrappy3]

In the 2nd half he showed he can be a differentiator on the defensive end the spot where r championships are won.
I feel like I’m gonna get a solid effort from diarra ak ball McNeeley
I think Reed today earns the poll position(25 min plus) as the main big. And to put sj back in still a very important position as back up big
The last ingredients will be the support group of am jr jd and an
But I think we learned a lot especially about reeds potential importance: upside

 

[3rdbass]

Hurley is stubborn. I don't see Samson Johnson going to the bench that fast plus he helps with some fast starts due to those Alley oop dunks. What i hope is that Johnson's minutes decrease and Reed's increase. Still think Samson will be starting in the foreseeable future and he had kept his fouling down the last few games with 3, 3, and 0 fouls. That makes a difference too how active he is.

 

[Kitaman]

I noticed Reed talking shiatt, elbowing, bruising, intimidating and banging all day against Providence. Its not that he has no fear he wants to instill fear. Just watch him without the ball searching for bodies.

He's a bully beast who's looking to dominate and crush his opponent. He's the player you want in the trenches, not worried about finesse or ballet moves, just Shaq'in!

He's also learning the system which can be complex especially for a transfer purging an old system. By the end of the month Samson could be seated.

 

[TroyHall98]

Reed had a similar impact in the Gonzaga game. He changes how much teams want to exploit the weak backcourt defense. Hurley made a comment in his presser that Reed wasn’t “ready” when he put him in in the first half. The comment made it sound like Hurley wants to see more consistency before fully trusting Reed to start.

 

[mauconnfan]

In the 2nd half he showed he can be a differentiator on the defensive end the spot where r championships are won.
I feel like I’m gonna get a solid effort from diarra ak ball McNeeley
I think Reed today earns the poll position(25 min plus) as the main big. And to put Samson Johnson back in still a very important position as back up big
The last ingredients will be the support group of am jr jd and an
But I think we learned a lot especially about reeds potential importance: upside

He can play that way he needs minutes and focus. I mean last 2 games prior very few minutes and touches. He needs more minutes he’s the better of the 2. I’m not saying “starting” per se, just need more minutes, a better ratio because he brings the toughness.

 

[Vancat]

Was at the game. When we were down, I turned to my friend and said "Reed hasn't played much. I wonder if him getting in can change things". Shortly thereafter, he came in, and things did change.

 

[UCTitleTown]

If Sampson developed a mid-range jumper. They leave him wide open.

 

[uchusky32]

He can play that way he needs minutes and focus. I mean last 2 games prior very few minutes and touches. He needs more minutes he’s the better of the 2. I’m not saying “starting” per se, just need more minutes, a better ratio because he brings the toughness.

He can hold his position on D and defensive rebounding. That is his big advantage over SJ. Against teams with big bigs he will absolutely be needed.

 

[RedStickHusky]

People here want to bust on Samson for doing exactly what Hurley wants him to do (mainly the high hedging)... They are both going to have nights where they look better than the other, there is no reason to think you know them better than Hurley.

 

[ctchamps]

People here want to bust on Samson for doing exactly what Hurley wants him to do (mainly the high hedging)... They are both going to have nights where they look better than the other, there is no reason to think you know them better than Hurley.

They keep on trying to fix the only thing that is working well. Hurley has stated this since preseason and said it again in the post Providence presser.

In the DePaul game Samson was the perfect choice for the final minutes. In the Providence game it was Reed.

Reed was gassed and Stewart was put into the game at the end contributing to the tighter finish. Reed didn’t have to pace his play during our comeback because of the limited minutes in the first half. Unless he isn’t fully in game shape I doubt we can get many more minutes from him playing at that level in a half.

 

[uconnfan68]

If Sampson developed a mid-range jumper. They leave him wide open.

And he was said to be a good 3pt shooter when he arrived.

 

[Inyatkin]

This is getting toward dead horse territory. Reed can do a lot of things. Samson is not so bad himself. He was huge in the opening minutes, and those points count just as much as the ones at the end of the game.

 

[Storrs South]

1. Who cares who starts, it’s about minutes played

2. As others said it is going to be matchup dependent to a degree on a given night who has a better gwme

3. With that being said, losing Liam means a giant void rebounding that Tarris can fill and may require him to play closer to 30 minutes until the guards and wings step up more since unfortunately it’s not a part of Samson’s game

 

[RuffRuff]

I noticed Reed talking shiatt, elbowing, bruising, intimidating and banging all day against Providence. Its not that he has no fear he wants to instill fear. Just watch him without the ball searching for bodies.

He's a bully beast who's looking to dominate and crush his opponent. He's the player you want in the trenches, not worried about finesse or ballet moves, just Shaq'in!

He's also learning the system which can be complex especially for a transfer purging an old system. By the end of the month Samson could be seated.

That's our guy playing the part of the Kodiak bear baby!

I go back and forth on this - yes I do believe most minutes or most important minutes is most important, but I feel like with Tarris, he would be able to develop more consistency as a starter. His rap coming in was talented but inconsistent, and I feel like coming off the bench leans into that more. He started at UM, and Samson has shown to be effective in the bench role. He's also a much better tone setter in terms of toughness, than Samson. Feels like semantics, but also doesn't.

 

[mauconnfan]

You have to love Tarris because it’s all about the team he really likes being a Husky. (Not denying SJ feels the same)

But it’s very obvious he is patient and he knows Dan and the staff are making him a better player overall. His toughness yesterday made everyone else wanting to make tough plays. He rebounds in traffic and keeps balls alive often that end up in our possesion. I’m not sure we need to change who starts but we don’t want too many games that he only plays 14 minutes unless it’s foul trouble. His footwork on D is very underrated even when helping. And he can body up on the more tough and physical 5s we play against on the block. We have a great 1-2 with he and SJ just need to get the minutes right depending on the comp.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

I love what Tarris and Samson both bring as players to our 5 position. Another true 2-headed monster for the 3rd year in a row....but very different than previous yewars.

However, unless the offensive and defensive metrics dramatically change for the worse, Samson is going to be our starter (much to the chagrin of his perpetual haters).

An interesting observation is that, generally speaking, it seems to take Big Hoss some time to "get going". He seems much better in the 2nd half vs. quality comp than in his 1st-half stints.

Check this out for 1st half performances since we got back from Maui from Hoop Explorer. For the less stats-inclined, just look at the box I highlighted. Those are the equivalent ratings used on KenPom for adjusted offense/defensive ratings. They track pretty closely to KenPom numbers:

The team has been close to elite in 1st halves with Samson in.

Two "asterisks" I'll note going forward is that Liam being out may shift the equation temporarily for more Tarris time as Liam brought important rebounding and spacing that allowed Samson to be a perimeter disrupter and a shot-blocker/rim protector on D and a more effective lob threat on O.

 

[blkknight1]

I think when it comes to this debate we have to remember that they are two completely different players. Samson is much more athletic type whereas Tarris is a much more physical type.

There are things that each can do that the other can’t. You notice those lobs are not thrown when Tarris in in the game and we can’t throw it down in the low block when Samson in the game.

The thing is I just think the guy who will play more is depends on the opposition more than anything. Against DePaul Samson played the majority of the time, DePaul is a 3pt shooting team. Providence Tarris plays the majority of the minute, Providence is a team that is more physical needed a bruiser in the paint.

 

[Iluvsuebird]

People here want to bust on Samson for doing exactly what Hurley wants him to do (mainly the high hedging)... They are both going to have nights where they look better than the other, there is no reason to think you know them better than Hurley.

I do not mean to sound nasty, but this is the most absurd "post" i have ever read. Sanogo rebounded and he hedged. Clingan and the Wrench did as well. Hedging has nothing to do with boxing out and rebounding because you go back to your low post area when you are done hedging. Just dumb. If you ever played one minute of organized or park ball you would know that if you are 6'10", you are expected to rebound.

 

[RuffRuff]

I love what Tarris and Samson both bring as players to our 5 position. Another true 2-headed monster for the 3rd year in a row....but very different than previous yewars.

However, unless the offensive and defensive metrics dramatically change for the worse, Samson is going to be our starter (much to the chagrin of his perpetual haters).

An interesting observation is that, generally speaking, it seems to take Big Hoss some time to "get going". He seems much better in the 2nd half vs. quality comp than in his 1st-half stints.

Check this out for 1st half performances since we got back from Maui from Hoop Explorer. For the less stats-inclined, just look at the box I highlighted. Those are the equivalent ratings used on KenPom for adjusted offense/defensive ratings. They track pretty closely to KenPom numbers:

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The team has been close to elite in 1st halves with Samson in.

Two "asterisks" I'll note going forward is that Liam being out may shift the equation temporarily for more Tarris time as Liam brought important rebounding and spacing that allowed Samson to be a perimeter disrupter and a shot-blocker/rim protector on D and a more effective lob threat on O.

This is great, and good perspective. And you're right about Harris needing time to get going, even yesterday where he looked off in his first half minutes. Why I've wondered if starting him coming right out of warm ups, and what he's always done, is where he's better suited.

I personally like to toss the tomato can games from any metrics, so if you're looking at total NET in real games, Samson is at +30 and Tarris at +16. The question you then have to ask is what is the the benefit to being the starter, which affords you more predictability and an opportunity for more minutes with the 4 best players.

 

[aceboon]

The team's starts with Samson in the line-up hasn't been an issue so I'm confused why this board is still so hung up on this. Hurley will ride and finish with whoever is most effective in the game as it goes along, which is what we saw yesterday with Reed in the 2nd half.

 

[Rocktheworld]

He really is a lot like Oriakhi with more of a mean streak

 

[JustbrewitMan]

This is great, and good perspective. And you're right about Harris needing time to get going, even yesterday where he looked off in his first half minutes. Why I've wondered if starting him coming right out of warm ups, and what he's always done, is where he's better suited.

I personally like to toss the tomato can games from any metrics, so if you're looking at total NET in real games, Samson is at +30 and Tarris at +16. The question you then have to ask is what is the the benefit to being the starter, which affords you more predictability and an opportunity for more minutes with the 4 best players.

Thanks. That screenshot actually has the UMES game removed. Our worst team that we've played in that data set is DePaul at KP 111.

 

[mauconnfan]

I’m not a metrics guy nor a perpetual hater. I will agree that against DePaul maybe it made sense but let’s not pretend he stopped any 3 point shots from happening. He’s a great back up 5, better than most have for sure. But we are tougher and can finish in half court a lot better with Reed in, something we will need to do while McNeeley is out. Johnson has a had a couple excellent quick starts as of late but when the opposition adjusts and takes the lob away he becomes a liability because he can’t rebound. I do believe next game vs Nova and Dixon he may be able to guard him both out and driving to the basket but foul trouble also scares me.

I don’t honestly care who starts but if it helps to get Tarris out and running by starting then give it a try because he’s an absolute difference maker.

 

[jibsey]

Can’t we all agree that we have a nice combo, different skills with these two?
Reed had a fire lit under him second half and it just shows what he is capable of when he wants to. He needs to play more if only for the boards which we got beat on. Hurley has to figure out what works the best. Has anyone noticed that foul trouble for those 2 have been better?

 

[6Nattys4Us]

And with Dixon and Villanova how to we feel about Johnson vs Reed, Jr. being in there? Moreover, do we really want AK shouldering the 1:1 defense of Dixon?

 

[RedStickHusky]

I do not mean to sound nasty, but this is the most absurd "post" i have ever read. Sanogo rebounded and he hedged. Clingan and the Wrench did as well. Hedging has nothing to do with boxing out and rebounding because you go back to your low post area when you are done hedging. Just dumb. If you ever played one minute of organized or park ball you would know that if you are 6'10", you are expected to rebound.

Not nasty, just ignorant... (Well, maybe a little nasty). I see posts on here everyday complaining about the hedging, which was my only claim. He is frequently in a disadvantaged rebounding position recovering from a hedge, but sure, Reed is a much better rebounder regardless. You know what you know, I know what I see. Yes, Reed is a tough to move wide body with a good post up game, and Samson is a light weight rangy help defender with a better over the rim game. They have different games, both are value added, Hurley likes bringing Reed in with the first subs. That's good enough for me. You calling me stupid doesn't really move the needle.

 

[RuffRuff]

Not nasty, just ignorant... (Well, maybe a little nasty). I see posts on here everyday complaining about the hedging, which was my only claim. He is frequently in a disadvantaged rebounding position recovering from a hedge, but sure, Reed is a much better rebounder regardless. You know what you know, I know what I see. Yes, Reed is a tough to move wide body with a good post up game, and Samson is a light weight rangy help defender with a better over the rim game. They have different games, both are value added, Hurley likes bringing Reed in with the first subs. That's good enough for me. You calling me stupid doesn't really move the needle.

Someone needs to create a BoneYard code of ethics with the first being:

1) Thou shall and can disagree without layering personal insults on the opposing poster.

It just never goes well once the personal insults start bubbling. Think about how nice that exchange could have went without this piece:
"I do not mean to sound nasty, but this is the most absurd "post" i have ever read"

HooperScooper, get on it, you got the time .

 

[AllHusky]

Someone needs to create a BoneYard code of ethics with the first being:

1) Thou shall and can disagree without layering personal insults on the opposing poster.

It just never goes well once the personal insults start bubbling. Think about how nice that exchange could have went without this piece:
"I do not mean to sound nasty, but this is the most absurd "post" i have ever read"

HooperScooper, get on it, you got the time .

Agree, Sir Ruff. I have been a recipient of some of those insulting, sarcastic posts. Don't understand the point other than to elevate oneself above us mere mortals. I believe that by and large folks come here to enjoy our fandom and have an old fashioned barber shop or coffee shop style give and take about the relative merits of the high hedge or the double bigs and so on.

If the Nasty ones were to say those things in person at a barber shop or coffee shop or any other place where sports are debated and discussed, there would be retribution, no doubt.

 

[RuffRuff]

Agree, Sir Ruff. I have been a recipient of some of those insulting, sarcastic posts. Don't understand the point or than to elevate oneself above us mere mortals. I believe that by and large folks come here to enjoy our fandom and have an old fashioned barber shop or coffee shop style give and take about the relative merits of the high hedge or the double bigs and so on.

If the Nasty ones were to say those things in person at a barber shop or coffee shop or any other place where sports are debated and discussed, there would be retribution, no doubt.

If at the Barber shop, lives might be at stake Sweeny Todd style! Love thinking the BY is a digital barber shop!

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Who starts at the 5 is a moot point because that’s typically a shared duty with close to equal minutes
In 2011 Olander dtsrtef and 2014 Nolan
I wouldn’t consider either the primary 5 that year
In 2023 we had Sanogo but we had a future lottery pick coming off the bench , how much fun was that .