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I still strongly believe Edsall is a terrible hire

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AfgHusky15 said:
Football drives the bus, other schools seem to understand that and look to hire coaches who will be homeruns. I absolutely believe that UConn should be on top of the list of expansion candidates, but the recurring theme was UConn's football did not offer what the other AAC school's football programs offered. We can't tell the P5 conferences "hey the other schools are racking up 9,10 win seasons and getting top 25 votes but at least we are consistently mediocre"
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Yeah, that's why we were high on the Big 12's list. Football.
 
To the OP, everybody is entitled to their opinion. Why don't you give it a rest and let the future prove you right or wrong. I personally think that RE is absolutely the right hire at this time for UConn for the many reasons already posted. If you did not see or understand those reasons then we need to agree to disagree.
 
Can those who don't like this hire because Randy isn't a WOW hire please give us the names of who would have WOWed you? Then, as you post it, let us know what were the chances they would come here and what was the % of becoming a WOW and then how long do you think they would stay here?

For example,

Les Miles 80%, 2 years

This way we can see what you are thinking.
 
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I don't think the OP is unfair but...

The money came from someone who wanted Edsall. There aren't exactly a bunch of slam dunk candidates interested in the job (there are literally none).

You can't get to the top til you get to the middle.
 
hardcorehusky said:
Can those who don't like this hire because Randy isn't a WOW hire please give us the names of who would have WOWed you? Then, as you post it, let us know what were the chances they would come here and what was the % of becoming a WOW and then how long do you think they would stay here?

For example,

Les Miles 80%, 2 years

This way we can see what you are thinking.
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I can't do that because I'm just not that knowledgeable about the business of football and available candidates. So I can't speak to that. But, your post accurately addresses the structural issues facing Uconn football. I can't speak for DB. I don't know who he contacted, or what his "feelers" were telling him. He made a decision; we live with it as always. However, it would have been a pleasant surprise to hear the selection was someone other than a virtual outcast in the coaching profession, now an "adviser" to a pro team in a made-for job, who had been unceremoniously thrown overboard by his last gig midseason, and who quite literally has no where else to go. Like "Officer and a Gentleman" level "no where else to go." As much as it sounds the opposite, I come not to bury Randy Edsall. I don't mean to disparage him. I don't. All I'm saying is it would have been "pleasant" to hear something different. Pleasant.
 
gars44 said:
That got me laughing! LOL. btw, I never go on the women's board, I promise. But I have to admit I love that movie. . .. . .
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It pretty likely most people here didn't even understand the Simpsons version.
 
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You have no idea how far we are from where we were do you. We were a highly competitive football program by 2009. That's light speed as we are learning after the fact with 6 years of continual decline. 2 coaches couldn't sustain or recover to a level anywhere near the level of play we had when he left. In retrospect, we were gluttons of our own success and many (me included) wanted even better. We were a hair's breadth from being a top 25-30 team on a consistent basis if we had continued the trajectory. I'd kill to be anywhere near that conversation.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Love the career sub .500 coach line, especially considering it's false when you take out his Yankee Conference years and the pre-Rentschler transitional years. Heck, if you include the last two transitional years, one of which was at Memorial, it's even more wrong.
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oh, Jesus

Yes, take out all of the losses that for some reason don't count. But then let's take out the FCS wins. But then should we count the FCS losses as double? And then let's divide the ranked team losses by 1.5x, because he was in trailers! and then let's multiply the ranked team wins, I mean win, by 5x, because he was in trailers!

Apologista in overdrive. You have gone off the deep end.
 
AfgHusky15 said:
I still strongly believe Edsall is a terrible hire, and much of it has nothing to do with the way he left. I don't care too much about how he left, I care more about how good of a coach he'll be and everything points to him being a below average coach thats on the decline.

Here are the facts:

1) Edsall is a career sub-.500 coach

2) Edsall in 16 years of coaching only has 1 win against a ranked team (1-26 overall record, one of the worst records amongst active coaches)

3) Edsall was a poor recruiter. Based on rivals class rankings here is where UConn ranked from 2007-2011:
- 2007: 68th
-2008: 73rd
-2009: 82nd
-2010: 93rd
-2011: Not even ranked in the top 100

He was a poor recruiter who was getting worse overtime while at UConn.

4) The whole "winningest coach ever at UConn" doesn't mean anything when he's also lost more games than any other coach at UConn

5) Based on his past, his ceiling is producing mediocre teams, and that was in a different era. The power run game will not be as successful in this day and age as it was 10 years ago.

6) Look at who the other AAC schools have hired as coaches. They routinely hire guys who are successful and play an exciting brand of football, so successful that the AAC overall has been coaching factory for top P5 schools. While we continually fire our coaches.

7) Edsall failed during his time at Maryland, and no other school wanted him, except of course UConn.

So

8) Being better than Diaco should never ever be the standard we should judge a hire on because any person who knows anything about football would be a better coach than Diaco.

So here we are, other schools in the AAC whose AD budgets are no where near as large as ours look to hire coaches that will get their football programs to not only play well but grab national attention while we are enthusiastic about a coach who can possibly get us back to .500 team.

The main reason why I am so disappointed with this hire is because this will cement our football team being behind the likes of UH, Cincy, UCF, USF and even Temple in the next conference realignment talks. We could go no worse than the Diaco era so Benedict had the perfect opportunity to go for an upcoming offensive guru, instead he went backwards.

Benedict needed to hit a homerun with this hire, and instead he bunted for a single.

I really hope that I am wrong but when we stop looking backwards and stop immersing ourselves in the nostalgia of previously having an 8-5 team, viewing the hire through an objective lens shows Edsall is a terrible hire.

He already has started off on the wrong foot by stating he will be splitting his time between Detroit and UConn, great sign for a guy who is really "invested" at UConn. A key recruiting time will begin in a few weeks and he won't even be here full time.
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So who do you have genius? Taking in the total picture of the UConn situation what would you have come up with better? As for the last sentence you really dropped the ball. Randy will be finishing up with the Detroit game on Sunday and that will conclude his position there. He has already hit the ground running here.
 
Woof 101 said:
So who do you have genius? Taking in the total picture of the UConn situation what would you have come up with better? As for the last sentence you really dropped the ball. Randy will be finishing up with the Detroit game on Sunday and that will conclude his position there. He has already hit the ground running here.
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Your saying even if the Lions make the playoffs Edsall's last day with Detroit is Sunday? I didn't see that anywhere. Hoping that it's true though.
 
Woof 101 said:
So who do you have genius? Taking in the total picture of the UConn situation what would you have come up with better? As for the last sentence you really dropped the ball. Randy will be finishing up with the Detroit game on Sunday and that will conclude his position there. He has already hit the ground running here.
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fact check
 
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AfgHusky15 said:
I still strongly believe Edsall is a terrible hire, and much of it has nothing to do with the way he left. I don't care too much about how he left, I care more about how good of a coach he'll be and everything points to him being a below average coach thats on the decline.

Here are the facts:

1) Edsall is a career sub-.500 coach

2) Edsall in 16 years of coaching only has 1 win against a ranked team (1-26 overall record, one of the worst records amongst active coaches)

3) Edsall was a poor recruiter. Based on rivals class rankings here is where UConn ranked from 2007-2011:
- 2007: 68th
-2008: 73rd
-2009: 82nd
-2010: 93rd
-2011: Not even ranked in the top 100

He was a poor recruiter who was getting worse overtime while at UConn.

4) The whole "winningest coach ever at UConn" doesn't mean anything when he's also lost more games than any other coach at UConn

5) Based on his past, his ceiling is producing mediocre teams, and that was in a different era. The power run game will not be as successful in this day and age as it was 10 years ago.

6) Look at who the other AAC schools have hired as coaches. They routinely hire guys who are successful and play an exciting brand of football, so successful that the AAC overall has been coaching factory for top P5 schools. While we continually fire our coaches.

7) Edsall failed during his time at Maryland, and no other school wanted him, except of course UConn.

8) Being better than Diaco should never ever be the standard we should judge a hire on because any person who knows anything about football would be a better coach than Diaco.

So here we are, other schools in the AAC whose AD budgets are no where near as large as ours look to hire coaches that will get their football programs to not only play well but grab national attention while we are enthusiastic about a coach who can possibly get us back to .500 team.

The main reason why I am so disappointed with this hire is because this will cement our football team being behind the likes of UH, Cincy, UCF, USF and even Temple in the next conference realignment talks. We could go no worse than the Diaco era so Benedict had the perfect opportunity to go for an upcoming offensive guru, instead he went backwards.

Benedict needed to hit a homerun with this hire, and instead he bunted for a single.

I really hope that I am wrong but when we stop looking backwards and stop immersing ourselves in the nostalgia of previously having an 8-5 team, viewing the hire through an objective lens shows Edsall is a terrible hire.

He already has started off on the wrong foot by stating he will be splitting his time between Detroit and UConn, great sign for a guy who is really "invested" at UConn. A key recruiting time will begin in a few weeks and he won't even be here full time.
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Perhaps the President has thrown in the towel. He is not going to get a free hand in lessening the recruitment standard he once cried over, so we will see. Who knows, the AD may have also punched his ticket as Warde did before him. That being said, it's clear that both the coach and school are in the same black hole at this time in their history: the past shines brighter than the future. Personally, I think the AD has asked for time by punting because the President told him-- 3 years and we are DONE.
 
AfgHusky15 said:
I still strongly believe Edsall is a terrible hire, and much of it has nothing to do with the way he left. I don't care too much about how he left, I care more about how good of a coach he'll be and everything points to him being a below average coach thats on the decline.

Here are the facts:

1) Edsall is a career sub-.500 coach

2) Edsall in 16 years of coaching only has 1 win against a ranked team (1-26 overall record, one of the worst records amongst active coaches)

3) Edsall was a poor recruiter. Based on rivals class rankings here is where UConn ranked from 2007-2011:
- 2007: 68th
-2008: 73rd
-2009: 82nd
-2010: 93rd
-2011: Not even ranked in the top 100

He was a poor recruiter who was getting worse overtime while at UConn.

4) The whole "winningest coach ever at UConn" doesn't mean anything when he's also lost more games than any other coach at UConn

5) Based on his past, his ceiling is producing mediocre teams, and that was in a different era. The power run game will not be as successful in this day and age as it was 10 years ago.

6) Look at who the other AAC schools have hired as coaches. They routinely hire guys who are successful and play an exciting brand of football, so successful that the AAC overall has been coaching factory for top P5 schools. While we continually fire our coaches.

7) Edsall failed during his time at Maryland, and no other school wanted him, except of course UConn.

8) Being better than Diaco should never ever be the standard we should judge a hire on because any person who knows anything about football would be a better coach than Diaco.

So here we are, other schools in the AAC whose AD budgets are no where near as large as ours look to hire coaches that will get their football programs to not only play well but grab national attention while we are enthusiastic about a coach who can possibly get us back to .500 team.

The main reason why I am so disappointed with this hire is because this will cement our football team being behind the likes of UH, Cincy, UCF, USF and even Temple in the next conference realignment talks. We could go no worse than the Diaco era so Benedict had the perfect opportunity to go for an upcoming offensive guru, instead he went backwards.

Benedict needed to hit a homerun with this hire, and instead he bunted for a single.

I really hope that I am wrong but when we stop looking backwards and stop immersing ourselves in the nostalgia of previously having an 8-5 team, viewing the hire through an objective lens shows Edsall is a terrible hire.

He already has started off on the wrong foot by stating he will be splitting his time between Detroit and UConn, great sign for a guy who is really "invested" at UConn. A key recruiting time will begin in a few weeks and he won't even be here full time.
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I think there were two options here. One option was to keep Diaco because at this point UConn could not afford his buyout plus the $2 million a year minimum to hire the P-5 level coach not named Randy Edsall. The other option was to fire Diaco and hire Edsall relatively cheap at one million a year with the hope of returning the program to the level it was at when he left. To me it was an easy choice. I think David Benedict was in a position where he had a coach he wanted to fire but was unable to do so for financial reasons. He went out and found a solution. Props to David Benedict.
 
AfgHusky15 said:
I really wish I could join in the parade. I was ecstatic when we fired Diaco like everyone else, but I lost much of my enthusiasm with the Edsall pick.

I absolutely knew that when I started this post most people would be angry, and would not look favorably on what I had to say. I get it, we just had to endure back to back eras of PP and Diaco, we are hungry for any good news regarding our football team, but viewing this objectively this is a bad hire.

So why even post about how this is a bad hire, because it was due to the fans that pushed Benedict to fire Diaco. The less objective we are in our view of Edsall the longer his leash will be. The signs are there that he will not be a very good coach and I hope fans will not ignore it and be objective so we don't have to give him a longer leash than PP or Diaco.



Football drives the bus, other schools seem to understand that and look to hire coaches who will be homeruns. I absolutely believe that UConn should be on top of the list of expansion candidates, but the recurring theme was UConn's football did not offer what the other AAC school's football programs offered. We can't tell the P5 conferences "hey the other schools are racking up 9,10 win seasons and getting top 25 votes but at least we are consistently mediocre"



Nah. I love KO. He is the perfect coach for UConn. He has brought us a national championship already, brought in a top 10 recruit, and said from Day 1 that his dream school was UConn (not Maryland ;)). We are riddled with many injuries to our top players, any team would struggle if they suffered the same injuries.




Nope, I am not going away. I bleed blue, and I will always cheer for the program. I have a right to my opinion which I based on facts, and of course most of the responses to my OP didn't address any of the facts I laid out. It gives me no joy to start this post. I really, really hope I'm wrong. This will be the last post I write regarding Edsall until the results start coming in.

Many of you can continue to call me an idiot (this is the boneyard of course), but I care about the program and I don't take any of "witty" remarks (aka insults) to heart. Enjoy the New Years guys!
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Yikes... Perfect coach for UConn isn't someone learning to be a head coach on the job...
 
whaler11 said:
I don't think the OP is unfair but...

The money came from someone who wanted Edsall. There aren't exactly a bunch of slam dunk candidates interested in the job (there are literally none).

You can't get to the top til you get to the middle.
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This post makes the most logical sense. Someone (Burton?) funded this buyout. Money talks, bull fish walks. Money said bring back the ed.
 
jpm25 said:
oh, Jesus

Yes, take out all of the losses that for some reason don't count. But then let's take out the FCS wins. But then should we count the FCS losses as double? And then let's divide the ranked team losses by 1.5x, because he was in trailers! and then let's multiply the ranked team wins, I mean win, by 5x, because he was in trailers!

Apologista in overdrive. You have gone off the deep end.
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This is incredibly insightful. You can measure a coach by simply the numbers with no context at all. This is why Greg Schiano shouldn't became a hero in NJ for delivering 7, 8 and 9 win seasons for Rutgers, while a coach at USC or Auburn winning 8 games shouldn't be fired. This is why a coach going 6-6 at Michigan is no worse than a coach going 6-6 at Indiana. Because you get it and everyone else in the world who looks for context knows nothing.

Seriously, at least pretend that you want your posts to be taken seriously.
 
businesslawyer said:
This is incredibly insightful. You can measure a coach by simply the numbers with no context at all. This is why Greg Schiano shouldn't became a hero in NJ for delivering 7, 8 and 9 win seasons for Rutgers, while a coach at USC or Auburn winning 8 games shouldn't be fired. This is why a coach going 6-6 at Michigan is no worse than a coach going 6-6 at Indiana. Because you get it and everyone else in the world who looks for context knows nothing.

Seriously, at least pretend that you want your posts to be taken seriously.
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Biz, I give you a lot of credit for even attempting to figure out that post.
 
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The recruiting has been awful for 5-6 years and won't improve quickly given the league stuff

Edsall is certainly better at developing low ranked kids than Diaco and PP
 
The Funster said:
I don't think Edsall is going to take UConn to dizzying heights. But his emotional ties to UConn football will steady the sinking ship and build a platform for future success. I think he'll be here until he's ready to retire and we'll all celebrate what he did for UConn football.
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Agreed. He can bring us back to average and then UConn will have a second chance to replace Randy Edsall.
 
Nostical said:
And who exactly are these heros of the sideline? Of the coaches being mentioned none were sure things. And the guy most of the Boneyard seemed to covet, Joe Moorhead, was asked about Edsall by the Rose Bowl media yesterday. I'll accept his assessment.
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Mostly coach speak but the most interesting thing is they are going to talk!
Hopefully RE wants to talk about Moorheads former OC and now Head Coach at Fordham(Breiner)
for the OC at UConn.

That works for me.
 
I don't agree with the OP, but I can see where he's coming from. I also think he's presented his case in a fair and logical manner, and hasn't taken gratuitous shots at anyone except maybe HCRE, and some were deserved.
I think the love fest is more about FHC Zany Bob being gone, then it is about HCRE. The honeymoon will be long, especially now that we know how low it can get if a bad choice is made.
Overall the OP is expressing what a lot of fans are feeling. I hope and trust that "The ED" will do well in his return, and certainly better than PP or Zany Bob. Yet and still, the old Reagan quote applies here: "Trust, but verify"!
 
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HCRE knows how to build the program and he knows recruiting of under-recruited players.

After the last two disasters, he is what UConn and the program needed.
 
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