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The adds that made sense to me were:

All sports: Central Florida, SMU and Houston.
Football only: Boise State and Navy.

I don't care what Boise State says about needing a western partner - even a crappy BE TV deal would still be way more than they got from the Mountain West.

Playing San Diego State once a year, in one sport would not have been a deal breaker. I would have also pushed for Boise State to have been invited this season instead of Temple. Should have used the WVU buyout money to make it happen instead of inviting Temple.

Memphis football is just a disgrace in terms on the field and attendance. Temple has had decent teams, beating us and playing us tight, but have you seen pictures of their stadium on game day? It's a ghost town. Both we're reactionary moves that do absolutely nothing in terms of on the field product or national perception. In fact, they make our conference an even bigger joke.

10 team BE Football: UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, Boise State, Navy.

Sure, no conference championship game - but we would have had a round robin schedule and eliminated 3 programs that are seen as national jokes. Unless a network said add whoever to get to 12+ than I think it was ill informed decision.
 
The Big East has been adding teams to try and survive, not because they are teams that we aspired to associate with. That's not entitlement. Wanting to associate with the best is healthy. Sadly, options are limited at this time. So we piss and moan. But it's not entitlement to wish for something better. Yes, in the meantime, we have to just suck it up and make the best of things.
 
Nothing against the students who go to SMU, Memphis, or Boise, but they are a completely different profile of student, from a completely different region of the country, at a university that has a fundamentally different academic mission than UConn. If you ask if I support those institutions aspirations to improve academically, I say of course. But let's not kid ourselves, these schools are a tier below the Cincy's and USF's and Louisvilles, who are in turn a tier below the UNC's and UVa's. The NNBE schools might have a chance at improving their rankings (or even just the quality of education) but it just takes much longer to improve on a university-wise scale, compared to improving a single athletic team, or a single academic department.

SMU is ranked 62 and UConn is 58 in USN&WR. SMU also has over a billion dollar endowment. Memphis and Boise aren't that strong academically but SMU is already ahead of Louisville, Cincy, USF, and even Rutgers who is actually 68.
 
Btw, I never said anything about SMU being a bad fit. If we wanted mediocre at best sports and good academics, I would have taken the likes of Tulane or Rice over Memphis, which has the widest acheivement gap in many respects. Instead we elected to listen to the basketball-centric people. I like SMU and their addition was one I strongly agreed with given the limited selection. I think they value the education and have a deep commitment to doing things right after a haunted past. They were probably my second favorite add after BSU, and I thought Navy and Air Force would be a great package deal. I'm really hoping my prediction comes true someday.
 
I guess I'm dumb. I have NO idea what that phrase means.

Trying to promote the BE Conference is like trying to "make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".

An agrarian phrase. My bad.
 
Trying to promote the BE Conference is like trying to "make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".

No kidding. Sad . . . when UConn was trying to sell the jump to D1, it was the vision of playing the Miami's, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, West Virginia and yes, BCU in the Big East. It definitely wasn't the "dream" of playing San Diego State, Memphis and Temple. Please, give me a break. Right now UConn's best hope is to find a seat at the ACC table. Forget the BiG 10, ain't gonna happen.
 
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You should get to work on filling Rentschler, we'll need the help when our fans prefer a home game against Bowling Green to playing Michigan at a neutral site.

Neutral site for a previously agreed-to home game, you mean. Of course, that clarification doesn't advance your argument. Your way reeks of desperation and a lack of self-respect.
 
Neutral site for a previously agreed-to home game, you mean. Of course, that clarification doesn't advance your argument. Your way reeks of desperation and a lack of self-respect.
I agree, once uv set that course, the big time schools will know they've had their way with you and try leveraging anything after THAT happens..... The way we got this home and home in the first place was off of a Bball series, and Texas wanted in as well. Edsall refused saying we weren't quite ready for Texas, I agree. Like Hathoway or not, he stood up to ND and Mich, and I'd rather grind it out and slowly improve our schedule due to hard work than just going for the quick fix and caving to these programs while pissing away our dignity along the way.
 
Seriously I can understand the Memphis argument... but Temple does make sense. It's an easy travel... it's decent academically... and is in a huge market. Temple is no longer the laughing stock it once was. It's low risk with the potential for high reward.

I personally wouldn't have chosen Memphis, but I can see how it looked on the spreadsheet. Okay basketball... football has been okay in the past... fairly large market... some national recognition... built in bowl game.... and this all came down to the spreadsheet.

That all being said I agree with Pudge here. I mean we can argue the merits of the individual schools... but it doesn't really matter that much. I think the plan was to act fast, add as many competitive programs as possible, and try to retain a seat at the "Adults' Table."

It's very much a beggars can't be choosers situation... and you can complain all you want about the company we are keeping... but there's really not too much choice in the situation. It looks to me that it's almost purely about market size with the exception of Boise because they've got a top 10 program even though they are in a small market.
 
... and I am certain we have all been through this last 15 years ride.

How can we disrespect Temple OR Memphis? I think fundamentally WE are missing the Value Add market piece that someone is leading the BE guys towards. YES ... I don't think Marinatto was just out on a fishing expedition. He was directed ... over & over ... to certain programs. Odjakian was a ESPN programmer. NBC & FOX have been integral in how this has advanced. UConn is NOT Syracuse or Pitt. We lack the branding or the cache to have advanced. But ... all this will change. I am NOT indifferent to whether we go ACC or stay. But, what alternatives do we control?

Bitch about Academics? Really. Can we sit here and just batter a Memphis or a Louisville? I am very proud of the progress that the University of Connecticut made as an academic institution & where it has become the top NE Public. But, I also see clearly the ability for many of our Peer institutions to make that climb as well. If the Penn States or the Auburns fail to climb & USF becomes a top University in nationally, I think we can point to the same dynamics. This is about Sport &, while I am glad that Navy will be in, I expect everyone to strive for something better in their institution. We aren't the Ivy; but, we want to be with Schools that are getting better.

UNLV? Fresno? Both, frankly, can rise significantly higher than their current status. That UNLV article has a MAJOR California developer (the key player in Staples & one of the key players in the return of the NFL to LA) building a 52000 state-of-the-art Stadium. Ummm ... what would Villanova give for that? Or a bunch of other Programs? You guys want UMASS? Make the case over a Program with a couple hundred million dollar brand new stadium in a growing market. I am a UCLA alum & can tell you that ONLY Fresno matched Nebraska in traveling fanbases on the West Coast to the Rose Bowl regular season games; they were an incredible group. We need regionals; but, we need strength of the eyeballs & buzz. Fans that care.

It bears stating again: Pitt = Underachieved since 2003. Syracuse = Underachieved since 2003. We have had momentum as a Program; we need PP to have a great advancing program this year.

The game that an undefeated Fresno team played in the Coloseum againt Reggie Bush led USC a few years ago was one of the great efforts I have ever seen by a visiting fanbase in a college football game. Just to give credit where it is due.
 
Um, you linked to a June 2010 article where SMU is getting a new video board - has nothing to do with the Big East and who cares.

Houston's article is also from June 2010 - they are probably the best of the additions - light years better than Memphis for example. Do you have the link where they actually get $115 for the naming rights on their stadiums (since that is what pays for it)? 55 million for the ancillary naming rights to their football stadium seems a bit aggressive.

Boise certainly wins football games - it's easier to look the other way that the reason they win some of those games is because they admit students who can't qualify at Pac-12 schools. There is no way they can work out in the long run because the geography is ridiculous. I've been to Boise and a few other cities in Idaho... it might as well be on the dark side of the moon. When they stop winning like they have recently - and that will happen - what sense will they make?

As for Memphis, you should post the article that talks about them being happy with something like $8 million in a TV contract. The numbers this league will generate might sound great for Memphis, but they are a death sentence for UConn.

Save your energy arguing w/ this guy people. Not worth it. I can only imagine what real life is like, unless he's actually here for a purposeful reason. And as the days go by, I wonder what the hell the guy is really doing here.

Memphis, has the full support and finanical resources of Fred Smith's company, they've been waiting in Memphis for a while, to have a reason to invest. THe Big East. THey were the prime example in the past 8 months, of what it means in the current big east to establish trust, loyalty and security of information among conference members and I'm not going to go into why I write that. On May 1, 2012 FedEx delivered a $2.5 million dollar check to Shirley Raines, to upgrade the video and electronic systems at the Liberty Bowl, and there's no hint that it's going to stop there.

Houston, is full go, in construction of a BRAND NEW football practice and training facility, as well as a brand new stadium. The Robertson renovation plan, was scrapped, and demolition is set to begin after the 2012 season, the cougars are lined up to play their 2013 home games in Reliant, and then have the new stadium ready for opening day in 2014.

Houston, as far as I can tell, appears to be following the UConn facilities and infrastructure plan like a road map.

Southern Methodist? The concept of playing football again, at the level they were dropped out of when the Big 8 folded, has got them salivating down there. Just got to make sure they don't go to the darkside.......I can't wait to match up with that program again.

You can go on and on down the line.

THe Big EAst is our home, and Pudge is exactly right. We owe every thing we are right now in 2012, as compared to URI, and UNH, and UMass (who's trying) and UMaine...etc.. as a university, to the Big East conference. The only time UConn has not been 100% loyal as far as I can tell, was in fall 2011, after being lied to not once but TWICE by other conference presidents and officials - face to face.

That kind of thing, when workign with things the scale of state universities.....will make you question your organizational structure and search out your best options.

The best things for UConn moving forward, in athletic business, are to maintain our ownership of our own market in athletics, and that's southern New England from the Boston and the tri-state NYC metropolitan areas, maintain allegiance to whatever athletic conference also maintains the northeast USA corridor footprint. THat means the Big East. The ACC doesn't deliver it. Check.

What the conference movement has done, is make our scheduling so much more important. We need a very pro-active, adn aggressive athletic director that's experienced in helping an athletic department maintain an upward growth curve through scheduling and athletic department alliances. Enter Michigan product, via Buffalo, Warde Manuel. Check.

Next, we need to continue to recruit, recruit, recruit, recruit, and then recruit some more the best students and athletes in our region, and in all the regions that our sports extend into. For ALL sports. Constantly trying to land a better recruit than before. And doing it the right way. Check.

Lastly - we need to go out and win the games.

Coach P had a losing season in 2011. I think it was only his third or fourth losing season in 20+ years of head coaching. He was damn close to having a winning season, and a little bit more time, to learn the players tendencies and skill levels, prior to September 2011, we probably do finish on the plus side of .500 in 2011. But that's hindsight.

I fully expect a winning season in 2012, I expect a title run in 2012, and I fully expect to be challenging regularly for titles every year by 2013 and crackign the top 25 regularly.

Those are the goals, as far as I"m concerned.

The big east conference in 2012 and moving forward, has changed dramatically. THere is no northeastern all sports intercollegiate league, because of the Big East. Learn to accept it, learn to accept that our place IS the Big East, adn it's a national brand now, and you'll see where we're going, and that the future is very bright.

This conference, is the largest intercollegiate conference in the United States, and represents the largest media footprint in the country. Guys like Neinas beating their chest that the big east doesn't matter, is just waht it is, an old guy beating his chest.

Sooner or later, this month, news will come out about the college football post season, and we'll see what the reality of the matter is. Just like in the fall, we'll see what the reality of the Big EAst conference value is.
 
Just in case your wondering, the main video board going in at Liberty Bowl, will be one of the largest in the country. For those that have actually been to Rentschler field, our main board is 32ft x 24ft. The Memphis board will be 100x50, and I think only Texas and ARkansas wil have college stadiume dedicated video boards larger. (not also NFL venues....)

They'll hav ea second board about our size in the opposite endzone. That's just one step in the investment in Memphis University that the Big East conference has brought them. Academics will follow, with increased applications.

That's the scale of the investments that are happening in Memphis, TN. Academics will follow suit, just like they did at UConn after Gampel Pavilion was built, and the snowball started from there.
 
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On the other hand, I realize that many on the board here look at our contemporaries (Pitt, Syracuse) and see how they are going to achieve even larger sums of money and perhaps larger profile football matchups without having done anything differently than we did to deserve it. That ticks them off (that kinda ticks me off, too). Pudge, I think the backlash that you are seeing on the board is not necessarily arrogance in most cases (although it may be in some); it is more likely a feeling of getting crapped on and feeling helpless to do anything about it. And although SDSU / Boise / Temple / etc. didn't do anything to deserve our ire (in fact, they are trying their damned best to help us out!), they are the embodiment of the situation at hand. And the situation is simply less promising than it was one year ago...

I think you hit the nail on the head. Having said that, as perception is reality, it would be nice if people understood that the more times they complain about lack of prestige in the new Big East, the less prestige the conference actually has.
 
as perception is reality, it would be nice if people understood that the more times they complain about lack of prestige in the new Big East, the less prestige the conference actually has.

Exactly right. Let's earn our prestige on the field, and act like we belong on it.
 
Exactly right. Let's earn our prestige on the field, and act like we belong on it.

Agree, earn prestige on the field and not undercut it off.
 
The Silliest moment:

Take us back to the idea that we are going to elevate Villanova to a high FBS level.

You can argue Memphis. Their recent history (PLUS fan base PLUS facilities etc etc) is horrid. But, that does not get you near the uniquely BE idea that we are going to take this smaller Catholic school up to the level. That, with time, looks more & more outrageous.

TV packaged BE meets a Sports network that needs content & gets a longer term deal. Why the few additions beyond 10 ... is a good question. Thinking that UConn (like BC in 2003 ... and SU intensely for the period from 2003-Sept. 2011) deserves some higher status than Boise. SD State. etc etc I don't want to long for that ACC bid. I just want to build the best Program possible ... and then I think it will be obvious that we are more deserving than a Texas Tech or a Kansas or a Washington State. Eyeballs will be there; we can be a solid 55,000 strong Home field strong. And, we will be worth something on TV.
 
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Oh Villanova. Don't get me started. Funny how karma works. We at UConn gave up half a century of athletic tradition at UConn 30 years ago, and I believe that we've finally paid that karma bitch back enough for jumping ship on our natural new england intercollegiate partners, as we move forward now, essentially working to build rivalries from scratch, for a university that has been engaging in intercollegiate sport for 120+ years. We happen to be workign at doing it at the highest levels that auniversity can reach, so that's the good that came out of it.

THe big east gave UConn the entry into the big time world of athletics, and without the Big East, there's no way that UConn is where we're at right now. I completely understand where Pudge is coming from when it comes to the entitlement sense. We haven't earned anything yet, but a footnote yet, in the football world, and no other future BCS conference in 1996 is offering UConn and Villanova entry into that level of competition.

Villanova? Well I wrote in 2010-2011 many times, that the future of the Big East hinged on what they were going to do with football, people called me crazy then too, and the presentation they gave after dragging out 18 months deadline after deadline passed - using a soccer stadium as their home field, whose ownership/management they hadn't even talked to? Well....karma......after 30 years of boycotting the natural competition they should have had all along for personal reasons, they've now got Temple as an all sports league partner in Philly.
 
You at as if the Big East is some sort of significant entity that is owed our undying respect and utmost reverence.

It's an affiliation of college sports teams - that is nearly entirely different than from the league we started. That's it.

I loved the Big East - I don't love it anymore.

The second we can get the hell out of here we'll be a great day for UConn athletics.
 
Neutral site for a previously agreed-to home game, you mean. Of course, that clarification doesn't advance your argument. Your way reeks of desperation and a lack of self-respect.

Lol - my way. Do you have any idea how this stuff works? Contracts mean nothing if the monetary penalty to break them doesn't create financial pain Michigan would MAKE MORE MONEY by buying out the contract If you'd prefer to play a MAC team at Rentschler you'll probably get your wish. To me that 's pure insanity, but you certainly aren't alone it seems.

As for Carl's increasingly incoherent ramblings... I'll let them stand on their own.

If some want to defend UConn playing in a league with Memphis I'll leave it alone, but if you think playing Michigan at a neutral site shows a lack of self-respect, what does it say about the self-esteem of a league that would invite the ultimate skank - Memphis.
 
If we are supposed to be open minded then why not go full skank and invite The University of Phoenix. I mean, Chuck Neinas wants to lock these guys and us out FOREVER, and they don't even have athletic department.


but.... If we put them in the Big East anyways, then just maybe that would put them over the top.
 
I don't get the use of the word entitlement.

Maybe Pudge doesn't mean entitlement, it's last call, the lights are about to come on, and he just got more desperate than us; he is getting sloppy with Memphis and Fresno in the corner.
 
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Lol - my way. Do you have any idea how this stuff works? Contracts mean nothing if the monetary penalty to break them doesn't create financial pain Michigan would MAKE MORE MONEY by buying out the contract If you'd prefer to play a MAC team at Rentschler you'll probably get your wish. To me that 's pure insanity, but you certainly aren't alone it seems.

As for Carl's increasingly incoherent ramblings... I'll let them stand on their own.

If some want to defend UConn playing in a league with Memphis I'll leave it alone, but if you think playing Michigan at a neutral site shows a lack of self-respect, what does it say about the self-esteem of a league that would invite the ultimate skank - Memphis.

So what are they waiting for??? If the buyout were their best option I would think they would have pulled the trigger by now ...
 
I think I get the point of the original post on this thread because there seems to be two groups of UConn fans - Those that grew up before all the hoops national titles and those that came after. Spending as much time in the military as I have a lot of my friends are spread all over the country and I get their sports input often which I think helps keep me grounded in as far as how UConn is viewed as a sports program - you can regurgitate all the info I already know about UConn's ranking as a public institution, the basketball success, how far football has come, etc. The plain truth is that much of the country is not that impressed with UConn football. It takes a while and a lot of quality wins to get people to notice.

I remember also when UConn football joined the Big East, and the established Big East football programs looked at it like a slap in the face. And UConn has taken that opportunity and made the most of it. A lot of progress has been made, a lot of improvement. Teams that came over from Conference USA have also done well since arriving in the Big East after UConn and I guess ultimately the point would be to ask the question that since UConn was granted that opportunity, then why would their fanbase be so quick to deny that chance to others?
 
I think I get the point of the original post on this thread because there seems to be two groups of UConn fans - Those that grew up before all the hoops national titles and those that came after. Spending as much time in the military as I have a lot of my friends are spread all over the country and I get their sports input often which I think helps keep me grounded in as far as how UConn is viewed as a sports program - you can regurgitate all the info I already know about UConn's ranking as a public institution, the basketball success, how far football has come, etc. The plain truth is that much of the country is not that impressed with UConn football. It takes a while and a lot of quality wins to get people to notice.

I remember also when UConn football joined the Big East, and the established Big East football programs looked at it like a slap in the face. And UConn has taken that opportunity and made the most of it. A lot of progress has been made, a lot of improvement. Teams that came over from Conference USA have also done well since arriving in the Big East after UConn and I guess ultimately the point would be to ask the question that since UConn was granted that opportunity, then why would their fanbase be so quick to deny that chance to others?

UConn joining the Big East in football was a slap in the face to the schools that invited them?

Temple was denied an opportunity? Losing 80 out of 90 games their first go around wasn't an opportunity?

Why does Memphis deserve an opportunity? What did they do to earn a shot - install a video board?

As for why Michigan hadn't pulled the plug, they would like to move the game to a neutral site - if they truly believe UConn won't agree to that - then they will work on who they can replace them with at home and if it's suitable they pull the plug.
 
I think I get the point of the original post on this thread because there seems to be two groups of UConn fans - Those that grew up before all the hoops national titles and those that came after. Spending as much time in the military as I have a lot of my friends are spread all over the country and I get their sports input often which I think helps keep me grounded in as far as how UConn is viewed as a sports program - you can regurgitate all the info I already know about UConn's ranking as a public institution, the basketball success, how far football has come, etc. The plain truth is that much of the country is not that impressed with UConn football. It takes a while and a lot of quality wins to get people to notice.

I remember also when UConn football joined the Big East, and the established Big East football programs looked at it like a slap in the face. And UConn has taken that opportunity and made the most of it. A lot of progress has been made, a lot of improvement. Teams that came over from Conference USA have also done well since arriving in the Big East after UConn and I guess ultimately the point would be to ask the question that since UConn was granted that opportunity, then why would their fanbase be so quick to deny that chance to others?

For the same reason that Groucho Marx once said "I would never join a country club that was willing to have me as a member." Of course, Groucho thought he was joking, but on this board ....
 
UConn joining the Big East in football was a slap in the face to the schools that invited them?


Temple was denied an opportunity? Losing 80 out of 90 games their first go around wasn't an opportunity?

Why does Memphis deserve an opportunity? What did they do to earn a shot - install a video board?

As for why Michigan hadn't pulled the plug, they would like to move the game to a neutral site - if they truly believe UConn won't agree to that - then they will work on who they can replace them with at home and if it's suitable they pull the plug.

This is as much of a reply to Bootsthemonkey, but I agree with you 100%.

I think that the Pro-Memphis/UNLV people take for granted the level of support that the state afforded UConn in upgrading the football program and the athletics department as a whole.

$50 Million Stadium-check

$50 Million Training Facility-check

I'll just stop there.

Adding UNLV, Fresno, Memphis etc.... will do very little to improve the football standing of those schools or the football standing of Big East. They are not a USF, a Cincy, a Louisville or a UConn in the making.

The Big East name doesn't even carry as much weight as it did in 2005! Secondly their only commitment to improvement of their programs as far as we can tell is membership to a crumbling conference. We need to solidify this place, not add more mouths to feed.

Idiot Syracuse and Pitt fans did see us as another mouth to feed, but they were idiots because they never bothered to understand the extent of our commitment.

Comparing "entitled" UConn fans to snooty Pitt and Syracuse fans in this case is a false comparison. UConn actually deserved the membership because it was in black and white contractually and because we had mad over $100 Million in improvements just for football alone (not including the massive improvement to the Institution as a whole in the same time period).

So whatever... Go ahead and call us an entitlement culture. But that is sloppy... We're just more interested in protecting our investment from schools that will not cause ours to appreciate in value.
 
Surprised by the choice of words here. Entitlement? Arrogance? I know we have to play the hand we're dealt but......my tax dollars and various donations should try to ensure that our conference mates should not include the likes of Memphis and UNL-Fecundity-V.

So your payment of taxes entitles you to have veto power over which athletic programs we band together with?

You realize Penn State ain't comin' back, right?
 
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