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To put these times in perspective, as a senior in high school, after having nothing but a sprinter background for the previous two years, and with no conditioning, I ran 21:30 first time, and 20:00 by the end of the year. I was nothing special - not a "scoring" runner on my team.

So, as Huskiesnyc said - these guys aren't taking this seriously and there's almost nothing to read into the athletes' conditioning from these times.
 
I simply said an 8 minute mile is nothing to write home about if you are any sort of competitive athlete and they obviously aren't taking it seriously.. Stop responding to me SJ.
 
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"Coach Ollie is really, really [mad] at us because I think we were 305th in the nation in transition baskets," Purvis said. "We've got fast guys on our team, so that's pitiful. We're going to be a track team, based on the way he's been prepping us and how much we've been running, training, so I think we'll be very, very fast. Jalen is great in the open court and Coach Ollie is going to put him in a position to have some fun and score some points."

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn...un-run-gampel-storrs-1001-20150930-story.html
 
tcf15 said:
"Coach Ollie is really, really [mad] at us because I think we were 305th in the nation in transition baskets," Purvis said. "We've got fast guys on our team, so that's pitiful. We're going to be a track team, based on the way he's been prepping us and how much we've been running, training, so I think we'll be very, very fast. Jalen is great in the open court and Coach Ollie is going to put him in a position to have some fun and score some points."

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn...un-run-gampel-storrs-1001-20150930-story.html
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Thing is , they were saying this last year too . " we are trying to run run push the tempo get fast breaks, we have fast guys " etc . The problem isn't the athleticism on the roster , it's the fact purvis and others were poor transition / semi transition players, not good open court ball handlers or passers. I'm just excited and hopeful purvis can show grip and be an initiater on offense other than straight line drives and spot ups.

Cassell is a good passer , so it hurt last year he was under 100% and Tsam was relied to be a cog in the offense... This years new personnel should help push tempo (rebounding from miller speed from jalen knockdown transition buckets from Gibbs)
 
Transition = Rebound 1st, solid outlet pass 2nd - without good outlet passers hard to really run. Need to rebound, look up court first and have the ability to deliver in some fashion preferably overhead 2 hander.

Wonder who will do that? Part of the reason we haven't been able to run besides outlet passing is Bazz and Boat are always in the top 3-4 rebounders over the last few years, that's not good when it's consistent. I expect we will be able to run more just because of our athleticism but to get like "1995 good" they will need to be really good at rebounding margin again!
 
huskiesnyc said:
I simply said an 8 minute mile is nothing to write home about if you are any sort of competitive athlete and they obviously aren't taking it seriously.. Stop responding to me SJ.
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wow - if you don't want people to reply to you don't post
OK you're an athlete - im a 60 yo, played college soccer and continued to play competitively until in my 40s - I was not a distance runner and even if I couldn't run an 8 minute mile I could have probably out play you in most any sport (3 sport participant in high school)
I really don't think some of these young men are taking it seriously and look at it as more of a "fun run"
I don't care as long as they play the game to best of their ability and go as far as they can
Your comments remind me of the thinking of a coach I knew who would cut any player from his soccer team if they couldn't run a mile in less than 7 1/2 minutes. One year he cut 2 players and they transferred to another school in town - beat his ass two years and both were All State and really good D1 players. He soon stopped that practice.
Chill pal
 
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mauconnfan said:
Transition = Rebound 1st, solid outlet pass 2nd - without good outlet passers hard to really run. Need to rebound, look up court first and have the ability to deliver in some fashion preferably overhead 2 hander.

Wonder who will do that? Part of the reason we haven't been able to run besides outlet passing is Bazz and Boat are always in the top 3-4 rebounders over the last few years, that's not good when it's consistent. I expect we will be able to run more just because of our athleticism but to get like "1995 good" they will need to be really good at rebounding margin again!
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Yeah, I thought the rebounding absolutely killed them from a transition standpoint last year.
 
How could a soccer player not run a 7:30 mile? A soccer player friend of mine was around 5:10 I. High school (20 seconds faster than me, at the time).

But, again, it does t matter - it's a different type of conditioning that prepares one for a basketball game versus cross country.
 
Can someone point out the last time a UConn off season didn't include talks of getting out on the run and playing in transition.

Every. Single. Year. And people get all gassed up about.

That being said, I heard Facey put on 25 pounds of muscle.
 
champs99and04 said:
Goes to show Miller can't play at this level, IMO.
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ConnHuskBask said:
Can someone point out the last time a UConn off season didn't include talks of getting out on the run and playing in transition.

Every. Single. Year. And people get all gassed up about.

That being said, I heard Facey put on 25 pounds of muscle.
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Yeah, going into last year I thought they were going to play a lot fast just because 'Bazz preferred a slower pace and with a different PG the pace would pick up. I think Ollie just likes to play slowly, everything we've seen in three years points to that.
 
huskiesnyc said:
I simply said an 8 minute mile is nothing to write home about if you are any sort of competitive athlete and they obviously aren't taking it seriously.. Stop responding to me SJ.
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No, see, that is not how bulletin boards work. You can formally ignore him so you don't see his posts. Or you could just read his retorts and then ignore them. But you don't get to tell him not to respond to you, since you can't stop it and it makes you sound childish.

Just sayin
 
James said:
Thing is , they were saying this last year too . " we are trying to run run push the tempo get fast breaks, we have fast guys " etc . The problem isn't the athleticism on the roster , it's the fact purvis and others were poor transition / semi transition players, not good open court ball handlers or passers. I'm just excited and hopeful purvis can show grip and be an initiater on offense other than straight line drives and spot ups.
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They say it every year. Used to be part of JCs off season narrative. "We are going to run more, we are going to press, Justin Brown looks very, very good and could start." Every year. Obviously I hope it's true and that we go back to being a devastating transition team that scores off opponent makes and stops winning games 53-51.
 
boog204 said:
They say it every year. Used to be part of JCs off season narrative. "We are going to run more, we are going to press, Justin Brown looks very, very good and could start." Every year. Obviously I hope it's true and that we go back to being a devastating transition team that scores off opponent makes and stops winning games 53-51.
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So true boog. Yet it really has been since 1995 they've been able to get out and go in a consistent game-to-game manner. I mean many teams since have had "spurtability" but few have had consistency. The 2006 team rebounded so well and were so big they could go too. 2004 on occasion but they could also score in half court really well. The 2 that stand out to me right away are 1989-90 in which defense/press led to transition, 1995 who just ran all the time, gave up points but inbounded fast and attacked right back relentlessly. Both of these teams also had people who could throw the ball down court and in both cases their guards could throw the 75 footer too with Tate, Smitty and Doron.
 
I love the Husky run every year-it means we are weeks away from having something basketball related to talk about - BTW I heard AB put on 5 more lbs in the last few weeks :)
 
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mauconnfan said:
Transition = Rebound 1st, solid outlet pass 2nd - without good outlet passers hard to really run. Need to rebound, look up court first and have the ability to deliver in some fashion preferably overhead 2 hander.

Wonder who will do that? Part of the reason we haven't been able to run besides outlet passing is Bazz and Boat are always in the top 3-4 rebounders over the last few years, that's not good when it's consistent. I expect we will be able to run more just because of our athleticism but to get like "1995 good" they will need to be really good at rebounding margin again!
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Spot on. Only way to be a fast breaking team is to have big men who rebound and can outlet pass.

Ollie made a conscientious decision the past few years to shore up defensive rebounding at the expense of fast breaking.
 
champs99and04 said:
Goes to show Miller can't play at this level, IMO.
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Or Larrier... At least according to your logic. Did Khalid ever beat 26min? God knows he couldn't play at this level. I apologize in advance if you were being sarcastic.
 
When you see guys finish with the same time. They usually were NOT racing. They were running together, probably talking.
 
When you consider that 2 of the players were pulled from the race as a precaution because of the rainy conditions, you can see that going 100% was not the goal of the run.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Spot on. Only way to be a fast breaking team is to have big men who rebound and can outlet pass.

Ollie made a conscientious decision the past few years to shore up defensive rebounding at the expense of fast breaking.
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Truth... I've been watching lots of old games to get my fix (serious thanks TCF) and the quick outlet aspect is so underrated. Many of our big men were outstanding at this. Jake, Emeka, Sellers, Travis; i.e. our best transition teams had big men who boarded and then outlet-ed to a guard who was looking to push (Khalid/Ricky, Taliek/Ben, Tate/Smitty, Ollie/Doron).

Not to beat on Amida but his poor rebounding is compounded by his inability to outlet when he does board. Hasheem had the same issue. The rawness was very evident when all of the instincts were to simply secure the board.
 
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RichZ said:
Is that Phil on the bench already?
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RichZ that's not fair. Can't we be positive?

To me it would be better to say he's already practicing.
 
huskiesnyc said:
This is a fun day and I don't think anybody was competing, but to say an 8 minute mile is "very good" on such a short race is ridiculous. My 90 year old grandfather can hang with that pace for a mile. It doesn't take much conditioning to do that. I'm assuming the players just had fun with it - as they always do and should do.
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Considering the world record for a mile by a 90 year old is 10:30, it would seem highly unlikely that your grandfather can run an 8 minute mile.
 
boog204 said:
Truth... I've been watching lots of old games to get my fix (serious thanks TCF) and the quick outlet aspect is so underrated. Many of our big men were outstanding at this. Jake, Emeka, Sellers, Travis; i.e. our best transition teams had big men who boarded and then outlet-ed to a guard who was looking to push (Khalid/Ricky, Taliek/Ben, Tate/Smitty, Ollie/Doron).

Not to beat on Amida but his poor rebounding is compounded by his inability to outlet when he does board. Hasheem had the same issue. The rawness was very evident when all of the instincts were to simply secure the board.
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I think we will see a small line up of Hamilton and Miller, both excellent rebounders, with Purvis, Gibbs and Adams that will be able to rebound well enough to let the guards fly.
 
rebounding is a big deal,but its pretty much on par with having wings/guards with great floor awareness + ball handling + passing. You can get 'semi transition' opportunities when the defense fails to get settled, these don't really require a 'strong defensive board and outlet'. Our guards need to get up the court and create 4 v 3 opportunities. Last year boatright felt more comfortable slowing tempo and running his high pnr ( which was effective), but also speaks to lack of offensive talent we had .He probably wasn't comfortable tossing the rock ahead to purvis or hamilton to 'create'; my hope is they are better open floor players this season than last.
 
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boog204 said:
Truth... I've been watching lots of old games to get my fix (serious thanks TCF) and the quick outlet aspect is so underrated. Many of our big men were outstanding at this. Jake, Emeka, Sellers, Travis; i.e. our best transition teams had big men who boarded and then outlet-ed to a guard who was looking to push (Khalid/Ricky, Taliek/Ben, Tate/Smitty, Ollie/Doron).

Not to beat on Amida but his poor rebounding is compounded by his inability to outlet when he does board. Hasheem had the same issue. The rawness was very evident when all of the instincts were to simply secure the board.
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Hasheem would grab a rebound and wait for a guard to hand off the ball.
 
boog204 said:
Or Larrier... At least according to your logic. Did Khalid ever beat 26min? God knows he couldn't play at this level. I apologize in advance if you were being sarcastic.
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Yeah but that's a mixed bag, since Khalid's conditioning absolutely played a causal role in him not making it in the NBA.

They wouldn't do the run if it was worth nothing, but it is simply one metric and definitely not among the most important to evaluate a basketball player. It is a tiny sliver of evidence.

My annual over analyzing that tiny bit of evidence:
Purvis - wish he had improved, times are solid but we need him to step up in leadership and consistency.
Calhoun - In hoping he's 100% healthy & possibly return to player he was as a freshman, his time is a minor note of caution
Facey - consistent and competitive, runs distance like he plays
Hamilton - Improved by an impressive amount, over a minute a mile is no joke - means he pushed himself = leader
 
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