Hurley Suspension?

[navery12]

Exactly, thanks and much credit for you objectivity. No joke. I am one of the biggest Hurley defenders here, absolutely love the guy, but the rationalizing is off the meter from a few people. Someone showed a screenshot earlier of Hurley in John Gaffney's face and then a GIF of the same thing and there was a post to the effect of "I have watched this several times and I don't see contact.". Really? That's the reaction to that? Whether there was actual contact or not, and I know you believe there was, that's just splitting hairs and trying to sanitize what he did. Hurley was so close to Gaffney anyone would be hard pressed slide a loose strand of hair between the two. The rationalizing for Hurley is like the few PC fans, not the majority, that said Duncan Powell was going for the ball at first but Hopkins leaned into him.

The Big East didn't want this to be a story line that lingered through the weekend and possibly into the BET so they just split the difference and fined him without a suspension and I am okay with that. Tom Crean, the ESPN analyst alluded to that as well. But if the Big East decided to suspend Hurley, like Rob Dauster of Field of 68 thought would happen, there wouldn't be anyone that could reasonably object to that.

Or maybe, and hear me out here, it wasn't rationalizing but we saw a bad look and no contact between Hurley and the ref. The Big East has hated Hurley's treatment of the refs for years and called it out multiple times. John Gaffney himself despises Dan Hurley and has made him public enemy #1 yet he also said Dan Hurley didn't make contact.

I very clearly was not defending Dan Hurley's actions, I simply said I did not see any contact and did not see a suspension coming. And lo and behold that's exactly what happened. Next time just tag me instead of disappearing when you get called out and then coming back and calling me out days later

 

[gsmooth]

I'm going to hold onto one last shred of possibilities with Hurley, and that he felt this team, that could be flat so often, needed a toss going into the post season. Maybe that toss rallies them.

Sure that's fine and a reasonable take and maybe that is what Hurley's objective was. If that was his objective, time will tell if that works. I will say it again, I love Hurley. My issue isn't so much with Hurley, although he shouldn't have gotten in Gaffney's face like that. It's when people are rationalizing and splitting hairs about whether he "made contact" with Gaffney after seeing the screenshot, GIF, and/or video. It's besides the point and semantical nonsense. If the Big East decided to suspend him, they would be within their rights to do so and no one could reasonably object to it. I am glad he did not get suspended.

 

[superjohn]

Calhoun was a master at working the refs. He had the timing down, he would browbeat a ref early in the game to get the T and then we would get calls going in our favor. It was timing and the other part of it is Calhoun was a scary physical presence to go along with his Irish temper. Refs legitimately feared him, Bobby Knight also had that. Hurley has never really gotten the timing thing down and the refs don't fear him.

 

[RuffRuff]

I mean, getting tossed with the game essentially being over isn’t that bold of a move.

Calhoun used to do this, but it would be like in the First Half or early 2nd Half of a game so it was an actual risk and attempt to fire the team up.

He's been somewhat restrained all year - maybe this team needs a spark somewhere, somehow. They're not getting it anywhere on the floor as this team collectively is as tame as it gets.

 

[RuffRuff]

Or maybe, and hear me out here, it wasn't rationalizing but we saw a bad look and no contact between Hurley and the ref. The Big East has hated Hurley's treatment of the refs for years and called it out multiple times. John Gaffney himself despises Dan Hurley and has made him public enemy #1 yet he also said Dan Hurley didn't make contact.

I very clearly was not defending Dan Hurley's actions, I simply said I did not see any contact and did not see a suspension coming. And lo and behold that's exactly what happened. Next time just tag me instead of disappearing when you get called out and then coming back and calling me out days later

If this isn't contact, this shot must be doctored. This is Earl Weaver plus. You can see the refs right arm pushed over to his midline. There isn't even a molecule of air between Hurley's torso and the refs right arm. He's close enough where calling it contact or not is semantics.

 

[navery12]

If this isn't contact, this shot must be doctored. This is Earl Weaver plus. You can see the refs right arm pushed over to his midline. There isn't even a molecule of air between Hurley's torso and the refs right arm. He's close enough where calling it contact or not is semantics.

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It is semantics, either way it's a bad look. A blurry screenshot doesn't move the needle for me when the video and people involved tell a different story. If there was contact he would have been suspended, full stop. Nobody is giving Dan Hurley the benefit of the doubt. They've been waiting to send a message to him for years

 

[Kolumbo]

If this isn't contact, this shot must be doctored. This is Earl Weaver plus. You can see the refs right arm pushed over to his midline. There isn't even a molecule of air between Hurley's torso and the refs right arm. He's close enough where calling it contact or not is semantics.

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definitely contact

 

[HW611]

It is semantics, either way it's a bad look. A blurry screenshot doesn't move the needle for me when the video and people involved tell a different story. If there was contact he would have been suspended, full stop. Nobody is giving Dan Hurley the benefit of the doubt. They've been waiting to send a message to him for years

I wonder what’s the stat behind Hurley’s technicals and ejections for this to be thought?

For as notorious as he is for his outbursts, I don’t recall a lot of technicals outside of Maui. I also only remember one time he’s been ejected. Even in this case they are looking to sweep it under the rug and do a fine.

I don’t think there’s this grand conspiracy of refs against Hurley. If anything they seem to go out of their way to give him room for the outbursts he’s drawn to have.

 

[RuffRuff]

It is semantics, either way it's a bad look. A blurry screenshot doesn't move the needle for me when the video and people involved tell a different story. If there was contact he would have been suspended, full stop. Nobody is giving Dan Hurley the benefit of the doubt. They've been waiting to send a message to him for years

I'd say that gsmooth's theory is probably more along the lines of what is really happening. There is no way there isn't contact somewhere in that shot. BE sweeping this one under the rug as not to make Hurley a distraction. The refs right side looks pushed.

Let's hope this one is a kickstart into the post season.

 

[navery12]

I wonder what’s the stat behind Hurley’s technicals and ejections for this to be thought?

For as notorious as he is for his outbursts, I don’t recall a lot of technicals outside of Maui. I also only remember one time he’s been ejected. Even in this case they are looking to sweep it under the rug and do a fine.

I don’t think there’s this grand conspiracy of refs against Hurley. If anything they seem to go out of their way to give him room for the outbursts he’s drawn to have.

I'll have to search back and find it, it might have been post Maui but I think it may have even been pre-championship. But I remember reading articles about the Big East reaching out to Dave Benedict and the president about getting Dan Hurley under control

 

[HW611]

I'll have to search back and find it, it might have been post Maui but I think it may have even been pre-championship. But I remember reading articles about the Big East reaching out to Dave Benedict and the president about getting Dan Hurley under control

Rightfully so after his showing in Maui. That’s not a situation where someone is out to get someone. It’s a this behavior is not acceptable, because it wasn’t.

But throughout his time here I dont remember Hurley getting hit with a lot of technicals and he only got tossed for the Villanova game. Again, for someone with his reputation of outbursts, I don’t think that aligns with a group of people who are out looking for a reason to come down on him. It’s almost the opposite.

 

[navery12]

Rightfully so after his showing in Maui. That’s not a situation where someone is out to get someone. It’s a this behavior is not acceptable, because it wasn’t.

But throughout his time here I dont remember Hurley getting hit with a lot of technicals and he only got tossed for the Villanova game. Again, for someone with his reputation of outbursts, I don’t think that aligns with a group of people who are out looking for a reason to come down on him. It’s almost the opposite.

Yeah it was reported they talked to the president after Maui but Dan Hurley said that never happened so who knows. I can distinctly remember a pre championship conversation on here with some comments from a ref about Hurley but I also could be imagining this. Agreed that he doesn't actually get a lot of technicals or ejections though so it could all be overblown

 

[yungdowork]

I wonder what’s the stat behind Hurley’s technicals and ejections for this to be thought?

For as notorious as he is for his outbursts, I don’t recall a lot of technicals outside of Maui. I also only remember one time he’s been ejected. Even in this case they are looking to sweep it under the rug and do a fine.

I don’t think there’s this grand conspiracy of refs against Hurley. If anything they seem to go out of their way to give him room for the outbursts he’s drawn to have.

As far as I can tell, Hurley has been ejected 5 times. Twice for URI, and 3 times for us (4th ever game vs Villanova, epic game at XL vs Villanova, last game). I couldn't find anything about him ever being ejected at Wagner. He does receive technicals at a pretty high rate, in the Calipari, Huggins, Bobby Hurley echelon for sure, but I think the big thing is just how publicized it is every single time. When Bill Self got ejected vs Arizona State less than a week ago, it wasn't even part of the news cycle.

I think it's tough because techs are at the officials' discretion and it's not consistent, which is made worse by Hurley certainly being on their radar. I'm not a Doug Gottlieb fan, but his recent controversy over a tech (relevant audio) was insane. He had no business getting assessed a technical in that situation, and then he was subsequently suspended for his post-game comments.

 

[HW611]

As far as I can tell, Hurley has been ejected 5 times. Twice for URI, and 3 times for us (4th ever game vs Villanova, epic game at XL vs Villanova, last game). I couldn't find anything about him ever being ejected at Wagner. He does receive technicals at a pretty high rate, in the Calipari, Huggins, Bobby Hurley echelon for sure, but I think the big thing is just how publicized it is every single time. When Bill Self got ejected vs Arizona State less than a week ago, it wasn't even part of the news cycle.

I think it's tough because techs are at the officials' discretion and it's not consistent, which is made worse by Hurley certainly being on their radar. I'm not a Doug Gottlieb fan, but his recent controversy over a tech (relevant audio) was insane. He had no business getting assessed a technical in that situation, and then he was subsequently suspended for his post-game comments.

3 ejections over 8 years in a program isn’t too bad.

But it’s the way these interactions usually go with Hurley. When these other coaches get into it with officials it’s usually them attacking the call. Hurley has called officials clowns and have called them out of their name which is why it’s treated differently.

Bill Self’s ejection here is a lot different than Hurley getting in a ref’s face and seemingly bumping him while screaming almost. That’s why it’s not news in comparison.

 

[gsmooth]

Or maybe, and hear me out here, it wasn't rationalizing but we saw a bad look and no contact between Hurley and the ref. The Big East has hated Hurley's treatment of the refs for years and called it out multiple times. John Gaffney himself despises Dan Hurley and has made him public enemy #1 yet he also said Dan Hurley didn't make contact.

I very clearly was not defending Dan Hurley's actions, I simply said I did not see any contact and did not see a suspension coming. And lo and behold that's exactly what happened. Next time just tag me instead of disappearing when you get called out and then coming back and calling me out days later

I read some posts yesterday, but didn’t post anything myself responding yesterday. I am seeing your post now after “disappearing” after lunch to do some work. I will post when I want to thanks. My post that I responded to used your example wasn’t just limited to calling you out.

Saying you couldn’t see contact and then in a later post in this thread that “a blurry screenshot doesn't move the needle for me..” is more rationalizing, even though you just stated otherwise, because whether there was truly contact or not, it’s irrelevant and obfuscation. Deep down you that as you stated later, contact or not is semantics. BTW, you never answered the question, and you don’t have to if you don’t want to, but why did Hurley get ejected immediately? The Big East’s decision and statement doesn’t prove your point-they wanted this out of the news cycle as fast as possible which is why they made the decision so quickly on Saturday night.

 

[yungdowork]

3 ejections over 8 years in a program isn’t too bad.

But it’s the way these interactions usually go with Hurley. When these other coaches get into it with officials it’s usually them attacking the call. Hurley has called officials clowns and have called them out of their name which is why it’s treated differently.

Bill Self’s ejection here is a lot different than Hurley getting in a ref’s face and seemingly bumping him while screaming almost. That’s why it’s not news in comparison.

Sure, but when he was ejected at XL vs Villanova, his second technical was for pumping up the crowd. From what I remember, he wasn’t even facing or addressing any of the officials. And there was still 150 articles written about how he’s out of control and impacting the team negatively.

 

[gsmooth]

Calhoun was a master at working the refs. He had the timing down, he would browbeat a ref early in the game to get the T and then we would get calls going in our favor. It was timing and the other part of it is Calhoun was a scary physical presence to go along with his Irish temper. Refs legitimately feared him, Bobby Knight also had that. Hurley has never really gotten the timing thing down and the refs don't fear him.

You not kidding. My dad had season tickets for a long time and one year we were 12 rows behind UConn's bench and you can see the officials body language and reaction when Calhoun would berate them.

As for working the officials he was great at it and under control for the most part. I distinctly remember him in the 1996 2nd round of the NCAAT when a foul was called against someone on UConn, he asked the official, "can we get the same call for Ray?" Just a subtle rhetorical adjacent question like that did wonders.

 

[RuffRuff]

You not kidding. My dad had season tickets for a long time and one year we were 12 rows behind UConn's bench and you can see the officials body language and reaction when Calhoun would berate them.

As for working the officials he was great at it and under control for the most part. I distinctly remember him in the 1996 2nd round of the NCAAT when a foul was called against someone on UConn, he asked the official, "can we get the same call for Ray?" Just a subtle rhetorical adjacent question like that did wonders.

It might help that JC & Knight are huge alpha males - has anyone seen JC close up? Very different vibes than Hurley, who comes off as a whiner when he berates.

 

[Rocktheworld]

3 ejections over 8 years in a program isn’t too bad.

But it’s the way these interactions usually go with Hurley. When these other coaches get into it with officials it’s usually them attacking the call. Hurley has called officials clowns and have called them out of their name which is why it’s treated differently.

Bill Self’s ejection here is a lot different than Hurley getting in a ref’s face and seemingly bumping him while screaming almost. That’s why it’s not news in comparison.

Well Bill Self isn’t also memeing himself every other game with crazy facial expressions that twitter loves. I think that’s a huge piece of why it’s always a story with Danny; when he isn’t outright getting Ts, his sideline rage still gets lots of attention

 

[HW611]

Sure, but when he was ejected at XL vs Villanova, his second technical was for pumping up the crowd. From what I remember, he wasn’t even facing or addressing any of the officials. And there was still 150 articles written about how he’s out of control and impacting the team negatively.

Yeah that ejection was ridiculous. I’m not sure if it had to do with something he may have been doing prior or what.

 

[navery12]

I read some posts yesterday, but didn’t post anything myself responding yesterday. I am seeing your post now after “disappearing” after lunch to do some work. I will post when I want to thanks. My post that I responded to used your example wasn’t just limited to calling you out.

Saying you couldn’t see contact and then in a later post in this thread that “a blurry screenshot doesn't move the needle for me..” is more rationalizing, even though you just stated otherwise, because whether there was truly contact or not, it’s irrelevant and obfuscation. Deep down you that as you stated later, contact or not is semantics. BTW, you never answered the question, and you don’t have to if you don’t want to, but why did Hurley get ejected immediately? The Big East’s decision and statement doesn’t prove your point-they wanted this out of the news cycle as fast as possible which is why they made the decision so quickly on Saturday night.

He got ejected immediately because a double technical is an automatic ejection. Same reason Bill Self was immediately ejected in the clip a few posts up when he didn't touch the ref. There's some magic words you can say to any ref/umpire and you're immediately thrown out. I've heard enough of Dan Hurley talk to know they're in his vocabulary, which to be clear I have no issue with. The contact or near contact I have an issue with

 

[Mets1432]

I disagree alot with Hurley's antics but coaches used to literally throw furniture across the court and were heralded as passionate all time coaches.

It's odd the hate Hurley gets in the social media world. I wonder if Bobby Knight, Coach K, and Calhoun would be nationally hated if social media was more prevalent during their heights as head coaches.

 

[yungdowork]

Yeah that ejection was ridiculous. I’m not sure if it had to do with something he may have been doing prior or what.

I think it had to do with the fact that the crowd was definitely indicating their displeasure with the first call, so the refs really did not want them any louder. But when they ejected him the BS chants just tripled in volume anyway

 

[EBonz30]

To be honest- everyone keeps talking about Demary’s layup & how the defender went straight up- but watching it live I thought there was going to be a loose ball foul call on Marquette when Reed went for the rebound, on the replay it was 50/50.

With all that said- you cannot act like Hurley did- as an overall human & person you have to show better character.

Obviously 9 year old basketball is the not same as college basketball- but last Tuesday night I was coaching my son’s basketball team & with about 2 minutes left in the game & we were down 4- a teammate passed to my son on the wing & my son caught the ball & the defender collided with him. The ref called a foul on the defender & the other coach start yelling at the ref about how my son is too physical & dirty- I responded back- “your player just hit my son.” He quickly responded- “Go duck* Yourself”.

The ref T’d him up & then ultimately threw him out of the gymnasium/complex because he wouldn’t stop. The other coach’s last words as he was exiting- “You’re just going to stand there with your hands crossed?!?!”. That statement was towards me- after he told me to - I did not say another word or responded to either the coach or ref.

I coach both football & basketball. My rule as soon as a parent, coach, & or ref starts to shouting negative comments towards me I disengage. Will not let another human influence my behavior or my character & have no interest whatsoever in engaging with volatile language- especially about children’s sports- lol.

Again- 9 year old basketball is different than college basketball, but as a leader I would advise to show better sportsmanship & resolve.

Btw a few days later I was told my multiple sources the other coach is a full time gym teacher- sad.

FYI- my son for his 3rd grade student project was Danny Hurley- lol- that’s how much we adore him in our household.

 

[superjohn]

It might help that JC & Knight are huge alpha males - has anyone seen JC close up? Very different vibes than Hurley, who comes off as a whiner when he berates.

You get treated differently in most aspects of life if you are big and strong looking which Calhoun and Knight certainly were in their coaching days. They also carried themselves in a way where they were incredibly serious and they weren't to be messed with. Most other coaches the refs just tell them to knock it off and T them up.

 

[CL82]

Thought this was funny so I'm just throwing it in here.

 

[Lafayette]

Someone should tell him it’s Milwaulkee, not Maui!

 

[freescooter]

I hate the logic of let the players decide it. When you don't make a call you are literally letting one team decide it while not the other. it's not letting the players decide it. It's the refs deciding not to let the players decide it. you foul you foul end of story. Who cares when. Letting a team get away with something is not letting the players decide it fairly

And if Smart had gone crazy on a no call in that situation you’d have said they should let the players decide it. I’m sure there were at least 2 other penalties that occurred in that sequence. If you really looked. Unless Silas got grabbed or tackled or outright pushed that play isn’t getting called.

 

[Lafayette]

I disagree alot with Hurley's antics but coaches used to literally throw furniture across the court and were heralded as passionate all time coaches.

It's odd the hate Hurley gets in the social media world. I wonder if Bobby Knight, Coach K, and Calhoun would be nationally hated if social media was more prevalent during their heights as head coaches.

furniture…water bottles…

 

[Lafayette]

If this isn't contact, this shot must be doctored. This is Earl Weaver plus. You can see the refs right arm pushed over to his midline. There isn't even a molecule of air between Hurley's torso and the refs right arm. He's close enough where calling it contact or not is semantics.

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Can only disagree with one point: air is not a molecule.