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auror said:
Hurley routinely has his teams ranked over 300th in defensive free throw rate (as in many more free throws given to the other team than average). It's a common thread. 6 of his 9 D1 teams have ranked over 300th (and the best was 233rd). In contrast, Calhoun's first 3 title teams were 12th, 1st, and 5th in the country in the other direction. It's not necessarily a defect, but certainly a systemic tradeoff.

I think it's partly Hurley's focus on defensive on ball aggression and running hard at guys on the perimeter to prevent 3s, leading to other defenders needing to rotate and help in disadvantageous positions when the primary gets beat. It's nice to prevent 3s, but at the cost of FTs is a bad statistical tradeoff (can't fast break in retaliation off a FTA in addition to the bad points per shot numbers). Probably partly a lack of overwhelming athleticism compared to Calhoun's teams that didn't need to foul to recover. Maybe even more than athleticism it's about height, where Hurley historically has played a lot of 3 guard lineups and we were particularly small last year for a UConn team; Small teams likely foul more often on rebounds and guarding the rim. Also partly Cobb and Yakwe were egregious, especially defending high hedges in the PnR lol.

Edit to add- Looked it up. Hurley's never started 2 players above 6'8" simultaneously except for last year, but Polley basically doesn't count since he plays so much smaller than his height.
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Great response, I think lack of height and lack of athleticism are key factors in foul rate.
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
On the other hand, absolutely if a massively more experienced coaching staff with dramatically more direct insights decides redshirting is best for both an individual player and program. Advantage Hurley, Moore, et al
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Springs ends up anywhere nearly matching early hype he's not a 5 year or even 4 year UConn kid.
 
Chief00 said:
Agree, Chief has been high on Springs too.
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I knew it!

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auror said:
Hurley routinely has his teams ranked over 300th in defensive free throw rate (as in many more free throws given to the other team than average). It's a common thread. 6 of his 9 D1 teams have ranked over 300th (and the best was 233rd). In contrast, Calhoun's first 3 title teams were 12th, 1st, and 5th in the country in the other direction. It's not necessarily a defect, but certainly a systemic tradeoff.

I think it's partly Hurley's focus on defensive on ball aggression and running hard at guys on the perimeter to prevent 3s, leading to other defenders needing to rotate and help in disadvantageous positions when the primary gets beat. It's nice to prevent 3s, but at the cost of FTs is a bad statistical tradeoff (can't fast break in retaliation off a FTA in addition to the bad points per shot numbers). Probably partly a lack of overwhelming athleticism compared to Calhoun's teams that didn't need to foul to recover. Maybe even more than athleticism it's about height, where Hurley historically has played a lot of 3 guard lineups and we were particularly small last year for a UConn team; Small teams likely foul more often on rebounds and guarding the rim. Also partly Cobb and Yakwe were egregious, especially defending high hedges in the PnR lol.

Edit to add- Looked it up. Hurley's never started 2 players above 6'8" simultaneously except for last year, but Polley basically doesn't count since he plays so much smaller than his height.
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Do you know what his past teams' Turnovers Forced/Points off turnover rankings were? If they were elite that could justify the strategy.
 
Physical defense is gonna lead to more fouls, saying hurley doesn't have anything to do with it, when he's preaching physicality, doesn't make any sense.
 
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BuckleyNerd said:
ams' Turnovers Forced/Points off turnover rankings were? If they were elite that could justify the strategy.
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auror said:
Hurley routinely has his teams ranked over 300th in defensive free throw rate (as in many more free throws given to the other team than average). It's a common thread. 6 of his 9 D1 teams have ranked over 300th (and the best was 233rd). In contrast, Calhoun's first 3 title teams were 12th, 1st, and 5th in the country in the other direction. It's not necessarily a defect, but certainly a systemic tradeoff.

I think it's partly Hurley's focus on defensive on ball aggression and running hard at guys on the perimeter to prevent 3s, leading to other defenders needing to rotate and help in disadvantageous positions when the primary gets beat. It's nice to prevent 3s, but at the cost of FTs is a bad statistical tradeoff (can't fast break in retaliation off a FTA in addition to the bad points per shot numbers). Probably partly a lack of overwhelming athleticism compared to Calhoun's teams that didn't need to foul to recover. Maybe even more than athleticism it's about height, where Hurley historically has played a lot of 3 guard lineups and we were particularly small last year for a UConn team; Small teams likely foul more often on rebounds and guarding the rim. Also partly Cobb and Yakwe were egregious, especially defending high hedges in the PnR lol.

Edit to add- Looked it up. Hurley's never started 2 players above 6'8" simultaneously except for last year, but Polley basically doesn't count since he plays so much smaller than his height.
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Good points. Running at 3 pt shooters will lead to fouls, but 300th or worse is a problem. Not every team needs to be top 25 in every category, but average would be fine. The flaw may be systemic, but he needs to develop more disciplined perimeter defenders. You can close out hard on shooters and/or generate turnovers without being reckless. That's on Hurley and the staff after 9 years coaching D1 teams.

No coach is perfect, don't get me wrong. I still love Hurley!
 
BuckleyNerd said:
Do you know what his past teams' Turnovers Forced/Points off turnover rankings were? If they were elite that could justify the strategy.
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He had a couple elite teams in defensive TO%, a few above average, and a few average. Generally the ones that did force a high TO% were some of his best defensive teams, although his 2nd best ever was just above average. The pattern seems to be a few average years then an elite year, so whether that's waiting for personnel to mature or the system teaching to set in, I'm not sure.
 
Husky68 said:
Springs ends up anywhere nearly matching early hype he's not a 5 year or even 4 year UConn kid.
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What makes you think this kid is gonna get drafted? He looks like a four year role player to me
 
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Nice to hear Isiah Whaley getting some props. Always loved the kid's, effort, athleticism, and motor.
 
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