Hurley on next year's team

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Unless you have a Dre, which we don’t, Chief doesn’t buy the 4 out and 1 in thing.
For our talent you need two dudes regularly going to the boards on offense. Often one creates disruptions and the other gets the ball. Poor offensive rebounding was one reason we lost last season. In several key games our opponents killed us in that category. We have no one guy who is going to change that statistic that makes us lose.
4 out is nearly ubiquitous. You sound like Barkley claiming a jump shooting team will never win a championship. The ideal 4 can switch, protect the rim, rebound, and shoot from outside. We may have one of the few who has all attributes once he puts it together.
 
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Unless you have a Dre, which we don’t, Chief doesn’t buy the 4 out and 1 in thing.
For our talent you need two dudes regularly going to the boards on offense. Often one creates disruptions and the other gets the ball. Poor offensive rebounding was one reason we lost last season. In several key games our opponents killed us in that category. We have no one guy who is going to change that statistic that makes us lose.
When you have cutters and screeners, generally there are still two guys in bkx out range.

Hurley has 3 crash usually. CV, polley, carlton.
 
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It's a guarantee that he is going to wildly inconsistent and I don't think most of our fanbase realizes this.

I won't be surprised if this team makes the sweet 16 or if we barely make the NIT. There is a huge level of variance depending on how good the rookies are. Occasionally mid to low 4* are borderline all league caliber immediately and sometimes they take 2 or 3 years to be good.
Couldn't agree more. If we're counting, next season hinges on AG's health, Akok's impact, Carlton's progression, Wilson and/or Polley's progression, and an emergence from Diarra or Whaley, and the impact of our two new guards.

Any predictions for next season are futile. I haven't felt this unsure of where to set expectations in a long time.
 
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I haven't felt this unsure of where to set expectations in a long time.
2 years ago I had no problem expecting that KO would continue the nose dive into the over-flowing sh----tter that he had been on, resulting in another tourni miss, and, it was the best and easiest prediction I've ever made for a UConn team I followed.
 
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2 years ago I had no problem expecting that KO would continue the nose dive into the over-flowing sh----tter that he had been on, resulting in another tourni miss, and, it was the best and easiest prediction I've ever made for a UConn team I followed.
Woah there Mr. Nostalgia
 

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I won't be surprised if this team makes the sweet 16 or if we barely make the NIT. There is a huge level of variance depending on how good the rookies are. Occasionally mid to low 4* are borderline all league caliber immediately and sometimes they take 2 or 3 years to be good.
I would be absolutely shocked if they made the sweet 16 tbh. But I get your point.
 
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4 out is nearly ubiquitous. You sound like Barkley claiming a jump shooting team will never win a championship. The ideal 4 can switch, protect the rim, rebound, and shoot from outside. We may have one of the few who has all attributes once he puts it together.
Look at the teams in the Elite Eight - As I recall, they all had guys who could rebound and defend in the paint.
 
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Dan Hurley is glad the Bobby Hurley drama is over | Zagsblog
Hurley is looking for the incoming freshmen to play key roles.

“We love their talent, skills and upside but there’s a reason why most of the teams that do really, really well in college are older, so there’ll be some tough nights and some learning experiences,” he said. “But positionally in terms of their talent I thought we got two guys [Bouknight and Gaffney] who could be as good a tandem as anyone will have down the road.”

Akok joined the team for practice in January and will suit up this fall.

“You got that stretch four man that can block shots and is super-athletic and can make threes,” he said. “You have to have a four man that can spread the court around the one big and three other skilled perimeter people because that’s the style I like coaching and the way the game is heading.”
I guess Chief did not turn off Cliff with that urinal conversation after all. My other observation is Danny Hurley needs to take a shower after that picture with Calipari.
 
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Couldn't agree more. If we're counting, next season hinges on AG's health, Akok's impact, Carlton's progression, Wilson and/or Polley's progression, and an emergence from Diarra or Whaley, and the impact of our two new guards.

Any predictions for next season are futile. I haven't felt this unsure of where to set expectations in a long time.
Next year hinges on AG staying healthy and making a jump along with the impact of the three freshmen and the progression of Carlton. You hope the light flicks on for Sid because the talent is there. I think we kind of know what we're getting with the rest.
 
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Unless you have a Dre, which we don’t, Chief doesn’t buy the 4 out and 1 in thing.
For our talent you need two dudes regularly going to the boards on offense. Often one creates disruptions and the other gets the ball. Poor offensive rebounding was one reason we lost last season. In several key games our opponents killed us in that category. We have no one guy who is going to change that statistic that makes us lose.
You're right that our opponents got too many offensive rebounds, and we still have room for improvement grabbing our own offensive boards, but we did take a huge step forward last year compared to the KO era. Here is our offensive rebounding percentage for as for back as KenPom.com goes, with our national rank in parenthesis.

2002: 39.7% (18)
2003: 40.7% (3)
2004: 40.8% (3)
2005: 41.7% (2)
2006: 41.6% (3)
2007: 40.5% (4)
2008: 38.4% (11)
2009: 40.1% (5)
2010: 37.8% (19)
2011: 37.2% (7)
2012: 36.5% (23)
2013: 28.5% (278)
2014: 30.3% (210)
2015: 30.1% (200)
2016: 28.6% (209)
2017: 29.9% (148)
2018: 29.4% (144)
2019: 32.3% (54)
 
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You're right that our opponents got too many offensive rebounds, and we still have room for improvement grabbing our own offensive boards, but we did take a huge step forward last year compared to the KO era. Here is our offensive rebounding percentage for as for back as KenPom.com goes, with our national rank in parenthesis.

2002: 39.7% (18)
2003: 40.7% (3)
2004: 40.8% (3)
2005: 41.7% (2)
2006: 41.6% (3)
2007: 40.5% (4)
2008: 38.4% (11)
2009: 40.1% (5)
2010: 37.8% (19)
2011: 37.2% (7)
2012: 36.5% (23)
2013: 28.5% (278)
2014: 30.3% (210)
2015: 30.1% (200)
2016: 28.6% (209)
2017: 29.9% (148)
2018: 29.4% (144)
2019: 32.3% (54)
Good research to back up Chief’s eye test. It’s a good lesson for those who fall in love with offensive highlight videos, which you could even create from a 25 point loss. Of course, the numbers would be even more noteworthy if you excluded cupcake games. What concerns me with the First Night Casual Fans is they seem to believe that offensive rebounding is too messy for today’s game. Except for 2014 when we had an exceptional shooting team and an outstanding PG, there is a huge correlation between offensive rebounding and winning.

I wonder if Coach Hurley told Cliff to take a shower after he met with Calipari? I would have.
 
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Good research to back up Chief’s eye test. It’s a good lesson for those who fall in love with offensive highlight videos, which you could even create from a 25 point loss. Of course, the numbers would be even more noteworthy if you excluded cupcake games. What concerns me with the First Night Casual Fans is they seem to believe that offensive rebounding is too messy for today’s game. Except for 2014 when we had an exceptional shooting team and an outstanding PG, there is a huge correlation between offensive rebounding and winning.

I wonder if Coach Hurley told Cliff to take a shower after he met with Calipari? I would have.
Our lack of offensive rebounding from 2013-2018 was clearly a part of of the reason we struggled. Still, it's worth noting that even without a lot of quality bigs, we hit the offensive boards much better last year. Hurley has to get credit for that. It gives me confidence that we'll continue to improve in the area.
 
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You're right that our opponents got too many offensive rebounds, and we still have room for improvement grabbing our own offensive boards, but we did take a huge step forward last year compared to the KO era. Here is our offensive rebounding percentage for as for back as KenPom.com goes, with our national rank in parenthesis.

2002: 39.7% (18)
2003: 40.7% (3)
2004: 40.8% (3)
2005: 41.7% (2)
2006: 41.6% (3)
2007: 40.5% (4)
2008: 38.4% (11)
2009: 40.1% (5)
2010: 37.8% (19)
2011: 37.2% (7)
2012: 36.5% (23)
2013: 28.5% (278)
2014: 30.3% (210)
2015: 30.1% (200)
2016: 28.6% (209)
2017: 29.9% (148)
2018: 29.4% (144)
2019: 32.3% (54)
Tom Moore’s QU teams were consistently top 15 in offensive rebounding percentage, too. I think we’ll continue to improve in this category.

Edit: 8 straight years (09-16) QU was top 10 in KenPom offensive rebounding percentage.
 
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You're right that our opponents got too many offensive rebounds, and we still have room for improvement grabbing our own offensive boards, but we did take a huge step forward last year compared to the KO era. Here is our offensive rebounding percentage for as for back as KenPom.com goes, with our national rank in parenthesis.

2002: 39.7% (18)
2003: 40.7% (3)
2004: 40.8% (3)
2005: 41.7% (2)
2006: 41.6% (3)
2007: 40.5% (4)
2008: 38.4% (11)
2009: 40.1% (5)
2010: 37.8% (19)
2011: 37.2% (7)
2012: 36.5% (23)
2013: 28.5% (278)
2014: 30.3% (210)
2015: 30.1% (200)
2016: 28.6% (209)
2017: 29.9% (148)
2018: 29.4% (144)
2019: 32.3% (54)

Toolzie I am curious to see what Virginia’s offensive rebounding numbers are in the last 5 years of so. I was under the impression their strategy is to retreat to prevent fast breaks. I could be wrong.

Personally I could not stand how we gave up on offensive rebounds pre Hurley.
To me is is indicative of lack of motivation , heart and coaching.
I actually think Hurley’s teams have to show a lot more in that area. Particularly Polley.
 
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Good research to back up Chief’s eye test. It’s a good lesson for those who fall in love with offensive highlight videos, which you could even create from a 25 point loss. Of course, the numbers would be even more noteworthy if you excluded cupcake games. What concerns me with the First Night Casual Fans is they seem to believe that offensive rebounding is too messy for today’s game. Except for 2014 when we had an exceptional shooting team and an outstanding PG, there is a huge correlation between offensive rebounding and winning.

I wonder if Coach Hurley told Cliff to take a shower after he met with Calipari? I would have.
Who in this world has said offensive rebounding is too messy for today's game? Come on man.
 
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You can’t offensive rebound and promote 4 out 1 in offense.
Yes you can.

It is 2019. Every intelligent coach in America is recruiting to put 4+ shooters o the floor.

Long shots = long rebounds. Much easier to get offensive boards.

Also, analytics show that offensive rebounding isn't nearly as important.as stopping the transition against most teams. Sending 2 or 3 back and not crashing is a good thing.

Also important to think of personnel. I would never tell Vital to not crash from the perimeter. He has a real knack for the ball.
 
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I guess Chief did not turn off Cliff with that urinal conversation after all. My other observation is Danny Hurley needs to take a shower after that picture with Calipari.
What I noticed about teams deep in the tournament is they had a minimum of 4 guys who could catch the ball outside and be a threat to shoot drive or pass.

We had 2 guys who could dribble the ball twice without turning it over by the end of the year.
 
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If we make shots at a high clip cuts offensive rebounding needs down. Chief has watched us miss so many shots that we need to offensive rebound the offensive rebound we missed.
Good shooting makes the game easier and builds confidence across the board. However, not even good shooters shoot well every game. Quite frankly, you need other tools in your toolbox.
 

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