Hurley mentions Possible Starting Lineup Change

[kobebeanbryant]

Kenpom says only 7% of the time over the past 5 games, but that doesn’t include St. Joe’s where he played it a lot during our climb back into the game (if you remember, it was while we were pressing).

Do you happen to know our most used lineups and relative performance? Even if limited sample size it would be interesting to track.

Curious if we have run out this lineup: Adams, Vital, Bouk, Polley, Akok

 

[UConnStats]

Do you happen to know our most used lineups and relative performance? Even if limited sample size it would be interesting to track.

Curious if we have run out this lineup: Adams, Vital, Bouk, Polley, Akok

All stuff you can see with a kenpom subscription ($20 a year and the perfect distraction at the office).

That lineup isn’t shown, but I personally like it.

Here’s their rolling 5 game depth chart by position

 

[ctchamps]

I mean there's no other way of putting it. He's been worse than expected. Not to say that won't change, but if it doesn't, then it's fair to play him fewer than 35 minutes. In fact, his last 2 games he played 27 and 24 minutes, so that might be his sweet spot. No shame in that, and it'll help keep him healthy.


We're 53rd in defensive TO% and we've given away 22nd lowest TO% offensively. Turnover margin actually might be the team's biggest strength so far (2nd chance points big too).

To answer your second question, no they don't impact each other.

It seems it should. Every turnover is one more lost opportunity for a defensive rebound. Unless the statistic for defensive rebounding is determined on the percentage of failed shots and opportunities for rebounds. Is that the case?

 

[UConnStats]

It seems it should. Every turnover is one more lost opportunity for a defensive rebound. Unless the statistic for defensive rebounding is determined on the percentage of failed shots and opportunities for rebounds. Is that the case?

Sorry, I misunderstood. It just takes every rebound in a game and designates it offensive and defensive. Turnovers are not factored in the denominator for OReb or DReb%; like you said that wouldn’t make sense.

 

[HuskyHawk]

All stuff you can see with a kenpom subscription ($20 a year and the perfect distraction at the office).

That lineup isn’t shown, but I personally like it.

Here’s their rolling 5 game depth chart by positionView attachment 48806

Not sure who tabulates this. When CV and BA have been the two guard in the lineup, BA has been the PG and CV the SG. I don't think CV has any minutes at the point this year, certainly not 22% of our PG minutes.

 

[ctchamps]

Sorry, I misunderstood. It just takes every rebound in a game and designates it offensive and defensive. Turnovers are not factored in the denominator for OReb or DReb%; like you said that wouldn’t make sense.

Thanks for being patient with me. Defensive rebounds opportunities are lost when we cause an opposing turnover. The number of total rebounds is decreased certainly but the loss to defensive rebounds - the numerator - gets hurt to a greater degree.

Maine out rebounded UConn but those 24 turnovers were a significant reason for that. That would certainly hurt UConn in the defensive rebounding category if I understand what you have told me.

Thanks for posting all this information.

 

[ctchamps]

Not sure who tabulates this. When CV and BA have been the two guard in the lineup, BA has been the PG and CV the SG. I don't think CV has any minutes at the point this year, certainly not 22% of our PG minutes.

From my observation they have interchanged the role making it difficult for defenses to know who the primary is.

 

[auror]

Thanks for being patient with me. Defensive rebounds opportunities are lost when we cause an opposing turnover. The number of total rebounds is decreased certainly but the loss to defensive rebounds - the numerator - gets hurt to a greater degree.

Maine out rebounded UConn but those 24 turnovers were a significant reason for that. That would certainly hurt UConn in the defensive rebounding category if I understand what you have told me.

Thanks for posting all this information.

Yes, you're correct. Anyone still using raw "rebounding margin" is a fool and intentionally ignorant at this point. The KenPom stuff is based on %'s as you thought it might be. For individuals it's based on the number of rebounds while you're on the court and the percentage that you get. For teams it's the overall % of gotten vs. available as a team. It's usually split into offensive and defensive.

And your guess is correct. We were more effective rebounding our chances on both ends of the court (offensive and defensive) against Maine despite "losing the rebounding battle" in the game. We just had less opportunities. We rebounded ~81% of their misses, which is quite good actually. They grabbed 78%, so we did not do a very good job on the offensive glass despite them being in a zone, but we still did rebound better than them. We missed Sid Wilson in that zone oreb department.

Not sure who tabulates this. When CV and BA have been the two guard in the lineup, BA has been the PG and CV the SG. I don't think CV has any minutes at the point this year, certainly not 22% of our PG minutes.

It's definitely not perfect. There's some sort of secret sauce algorithm for the positions. It's mostly sorted by height and weight, with some deference for assist rate for PG. Vital has a much higher assist rate and is shorter. Vital actually has an assist rate higher than 30+ teams' starting PG.

 

[Martin]

If I were Hurley I would start Bouknight over Polley because Polley cant rebound. He only grabbed 2 boards today in 26 minutes. Bouknight is an outstanding rebounder, Particularly on the offensive end. Hurley doesn’t sub before the first time out at all so who starts does matter, our starters do generally get more playing time and set the tone. Polley played 26 minutes today compared to Bouk’s 19. That should be the other way around.

Bouk positions himself well. He always seems to be in a good spot.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yes, you're correct. Anyone still using raw "rebounding margin" is a fool and intentionally ignorant at this point. The KenPom stuff is based on %'s as you thought it might be. For individuals it's based on the number of rebounds while you're on the court and the percentage that you get. For teams it's the overall % of gotten vs. available as a team. It's usually split into offensive and defensive.

And your guess is correct. We were more effective rebounding our chances on both ends of the court (offensive and defensive) against Maine despite "losing the rebounding battle" in the game. We just had less opportunities. We rebounded ~81% of their misses, which is quite good actually. They grabbed 78%, so we did not do a very good job on the offensive glass despite them being in a zone, but we still did rebound better than them. We missed Sid Wilson in that zone oreb department.



It's definitely not perfect. There's some sort of secret sauce algorithm for the positions. It's mostly sorted by height and weight, with some deference for assist rate for PG. Vital has a much higher assist rate and is shorter. Vital actually has an assist rate higher than 30+ teams' starting PG.

I do think when those two are in, Vital takes the PG on the defensive end. Adams can play the point on offense and defend the SF position in some situations.

 

[ctchamps]

Yes, you're correct. Anyone still using raw "rebounding margin" is a fool and intentionally ignorant at this point. The KenPom stuff is based on %'s as you thought it might be. For individuals it's based on the number of rebounds while you're on the court and the percentage that you get. For teams it's the overall % of gotten vs. available as a team. It's usually split into offensive and defensive.

And your guess is correct. We were more effective rebounding our chances on both ends of the court (offensive and defensive) against Maine despite "losing the rebounding battle" in the game. We just had less opportunities. We rebounded ~81% of their misses, which is quite good actually. They grabbed 78%, so we did not do a very good job on the offensive glass despite them being in a zone, but we still did rebound better than them. We missed Sid Wilson in that zone oreb department.



It's definitely not perfect. There's some sort of secret sauce algorithm for the positions. It's mostly sorted by height and weight, with some deference for assist rate for PG. Vital has a much higher assist rate and is shorter. Vital actually has an assist rate higher than 30+ teams' starting PG.

Thank you.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Agree, Gilbert been underperforming, but lacks a logical replacement. CV underperforming and the best player on the team is his backup. Make the move Dan.

CV leads the team in scoring ,rebounding ,steals and assists, and is shooting 90% from the FT line.
This underperforming has to stop , let’s just sit him down.



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[Waquoit]

CV leads the team in scoring ,rebounding ,steals and assists,

And bricks. That's why we have 2 losses.

 

[RayRay]

And bricks. That's why we have 2 losses.

Exactly, time to pass the torch. We don't need him to be the leader in scoring anymore. He was leading because it was necessary and we had no one else. Now we have guys that are more talented that make us significantly better. Get them more experience now for when we play the tougher games and hopefully the NCAA tourney. It's so important to their development that they make the big dance this year so that next year they can say they have been there done that and will be more ready to make a deep run with confidence.

 

[Stainmaster]

And bricks. That's why we have 2 losses.

CV’s shot selection was not the reason the team lost. This is just more emotional BS from people who are angry that he happened to come here during a losing era.

 

[UofCT]

Exactly, time to pass the torch. We don't need him to be the leader in scoring anymore. He was leading because it was necessary and we had no one else. Now we have guys that are more talented that make us significantly better. Get them more experience now for when we play the tougher games and hopefully the NCAA tourney. It's so important to their development that they make the big dance this year so that next year they can say they have been there done that and will be more ready to make a deep run with confidence.

CV is instrumental to the success of this team.

 

[ctchamps]

CV is instrumental to the success of this team.

The reason for the two losses were because CV was cold. He's a streak shooter and the problem in the past was no one outside of CV (and Jalen) could step up and fill the void. That is no longer the case. A lot more options available if players go through a bad spell.

 

[Huskybass]

CV’s shot selection was not the reason the team lost. This is just more emotional BS from people who are angry that he happened to come here during a losing era.

He shot a combined 7 for 33 in those 2 losses. I would say his poor shooting/ shot selection played a pretty big role in those losses. 21% shooting while taking lots of shots is factual, not some "emotional BS" . Do you even consider facts before you post?

Both CV and AG have played much better recently, but they played a big part in those two losses shooting a combined 14 for 65. Better shot selection is crucial to becoming a better team and both guys seemed to have gotten the message.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

For those curious, CV passed Doron Sheffer for 28th on the schools all time scoring list last game. Sitting at 1330. If he continues to average 15 ppg for the next 25 games he’ll pass Boatright for 9th all time. Obviously his era coincides with one of the darkest in program history but that is still impressive for a kid who came in with little to no expectations.

 

[WhartonHusky]

CV leads the team in scoring ,rebounding ,steals and assists, and is shooting 90% from the FT line.
This underperforming has to stop , let’s just sit him down.



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We've been through this.....scroll up dude.

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

He shot a combined 7 for 33 in those 2 losses. I would say his poor shooting/ shot selection played a pretty big role in those losses. 21% shooting while taking lots of shots is factual, not some "emotional BS" . Do you even consider facts before you post?

Both CV and AG have played much better recently, but they played a big part in those two losses shooting a combined 14 for 65. Better shot selection is crucial to becoming a better team and both guys seemed to have gotten the message.

Breaking news - one of teams best players shoots poorly during loss. It's almost as if there's a correlation between one of your best shooters not shooting well and not winning a game. When he finds his shot like he had last season he'll be one of the best players in the conference.

 

[RayRay]

I don't think most of us are saying he's not a good player, and obviously we still need him to play well and score, but we just don't NEED him to be the man anymore. Uconn is better when CV shoots less strictly because he's only shooting his better looks. That's the perfect kind of guy to play 20 minutes a game, not 30. We need his leadership right now, that doesn't mean he needs to eat up 10 minutes that Bouk and BA should have on the court, who are both better, more talented, and are the future of the team. That's all I'm saying at least.

 

[Huskybass]

Breaking news - one of teams best players shoots poorly during loss. It's almost as if there's a correlation between one of your best shooters not shooting well and not winning a game. When he finds his shot like he had last season he'll be one of the best players in the conference.

One of the best players in the conference. Ok. Exactly how delusional are you?

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

One of the best players in the conference. Ok. Exactly how delusional are you?

He shot 52% from 2, and 41% from 3 last year, and had a true shooting percentage of 61.2% which is insanely high for a guard (134 in the country). He’s shooting 98% from the line this year.

How many players average 16 and 10 as a guard while top 10 in the country in steals and FT %? If he brings his shooting back up towards last years numbers he’s a first team all conference player.

 

[Waquoit]

The reason for the two losses were because CV was cold.

Not just cold, cold and kept shooting.

 

[Stainmaster]

Not just cold, cold and kept shooting.

Show us on the doll where he touched you.

 

[Stainmaster]

He shot a combined 7 for 33 in those 2 losses. I would say his poor shooting/ shot selection played a pretty big role in those losses. 21% shooting while taking lots of shots is factual, not some "emotional BS" . Do you even consider facts before you post?

Both CV and AG have played much better recently, but they played a big part in those two losses shooting a combined 14 for 65. Better shot selection is crucial to becoming a better team and both guys seemed to have gotten the message.

There are so many additional factors–based in statistics and “facts”–which contributed to both losses that you and others choose to ignore because making CV the scapegoat makes you feel good about yourselves.

This is Chief with Dyson all over again.

 

[Huskybass]

He shot 52% from 2, and 41% from 3 last year, and had a true shooting percentage of 61.2% which is insanely high for a guard (134 in the country). He’s shooting 98% from the line this year.

How many players average 16 and 10 as a guard while top 10 in the country in steals and FT %? If he brings his shooting back up towards last years numbers he’s a first team all conference player.

16 and 10? Now you are just making things up.
The real numbers are 14 and 8, and I will bet you the 8 drops to less than 6 as the season wears on.

 

[SubInATub]

16 and 10? Now you are just making things up.
The real numbers are 14 and 8, and I will bet you the 8 drops to less than 6 as the season wears on.

no no! hung up on #s !!

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

16 and 10? Now you are just making things up.
The real numbers are 14 and 8, and I will bet you the 8 drops to less than 6 as the season wears on.

14 and 8? Now you are just making things up.
The real numbers are 14.6 and 8.1

It was 16 and 10 before last game. Sorry I didn't look up the updated numbers.