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Hurley: “seemed like guys confidence was down”

I'd encourage you to watch Jim Calhoun in the last 4 minutes of close games. I'm pretty neutral on Hurley's court demeanor, so I've got no dog in this particular fight. When games were close late, Calhoun turned into an analytical genius--his personality changed. He started playing chess instead of basketball. I've heard these words directly from an assistant coach's mouth.

This is where I do have a dog in the fight... Hurley has yet to show he has an analytical mind in that capacity. I'll stand by that. At this point, it seems undeniable. He needs to be better coaching the end of games. It wasn't just this game--we missed shots we shouldn't have. We may not have won regardless of his coaching with our shooting the way it is. But when there's a PATTERN of bad closeouts to game, coach needs to start looking in the mirror.
I'm 50 and have seen every UConn game Calhoun ever coached. I was talking about him in general.
I have said Hurley needs to work on his end of game coaching. All I said is it is not ALL on him and the players have their share of responsibility in it as well and BOTH players and coaches need to do better. I'm not willing however to lay every little trip or boneheaded mistake on the coach. That is ridiculous. Calhoun was a amazing but players made gaffes at the end of games under him too. It wasn't nearly as often as he was a legendary coach and had better teams but it happened. Darius Rice/Shamon Tooles anyone?
 
I'm 50 and have seen every UConn game Calhoun ever coached. I was talking about him in general.
I have said Hurley needs to work on his end of game coaching. All I said is it is not ALL on him and the players have their share of responsibility in it as well and BOTH players and coaches need to do better. I'm not willing however to lay every little trip or boneheaded mistake on the coach. That is ridiculous. Calhoun was a amazing but players made gaffes at the end of games under him too. It wasn't nearly as often as he was a legendary coach and had better teams but it happened. Darius Rice/Shampn Tooles anyone?
Agree with your observations. JC in his early years at UConn and in the Big East had games where he was outcoached by guys who eventually went into the HOF-as did he. He was "schooling" everyone with his in-game coaching and strategies as his UConn career evolved and continued .No news there.

Dan Hurley -like early JC- is also learning the game vs HOF coaches now that his talent on the roster has been upgraded. He will evolve and begin managing those end of game situations better through his players on the floor. Perspective.
 
confidence was down? duh. let's review.
1. after camp, coach sez 'offense goes thru adama.'
20% of season in, coach is correct, and adama brings it, while rj is stepping it up, bigly, and tymart continues to be a 11/7 rock. noice. all told, a reliable interior offense develops. then, no adama, no tymart? no reliable interior offense. not from akok (still too soon, guy is just finishing his first couple of games, and looks more comfortable with each one.), not from ajax, a fine player who many here are starting to figger out that shooting is not his thing (how long till sum kooks here figger out that a horse game between he and sool could take a month to complete?), not from hawk, another fine player who should eventually settle down, not from whaley, who, quite frankly, is Mr Mistakeless (luv, luv, luv dat). forget typo, 10 years in, his record is clear -no handle, no dish, no boards (tho he seems to be less afraid of getting touched lately, and has picked up a board every now and then), no blocks, no steals, no interior skill. currently, he's 36% fg overall (worst on team), 31% from 3 (worst on team), soooooooo, no reliable interior offense without the two dudes. period. at one point, typo fired up a particularly odious jack that made an unnatural sound as it clanked, and it resonated thruout the building. everrone there heard it, and sum reacted with 'that's an odd sound....'
no one to throw it to inside? that's gotta hurt confidence in the game plan.
2. playing in Morgantown, a lovely place filled with lovely folks, but playing their first big game at home with a packed crowd in a loooong time. folks were jacked to the max, yet few took my sweet UConn hockey shirt as a personal affront. Morgantown and Providence are my two 'must try to be there' away games. big fun, tho the folks in rhody can be a bit prickly at times. soooo, 12000 amped fans, who adore their coach, screaming their heads off? against our team which mostly hasn't had that experience yet? that's gotta hurt confidence in the game plan.
(heard at the game with around 2:30 to go: 'coach! why u taking out jmoney? u know that ur going to put him back in!' he did.)
given these two simple truths, hard to be confident driving ur car with 3 tires.
great game, great folks, and going in, a few neighbors thought typo would be a problem for them, but by the third q, they all thought 'forget him.'
they did like my jmoney cheers, and when coach took him out near the end, most also thought 'why?' after watching him fly around the floor all game.
and oh, playing the exact same minutes each season, around 19, his resume shows serious factual improvement results for well, everrthing each season. high up in league stats thus far for assists and steals, while adding almost 50% moar in points, and shooting 41% overall, with 42% on 3's. only guy whose to's equal his steals. ajax is still 1 to/ 1 assist - sumbody fix that, please. of course, jmoney also leads in assists/to's ratio as well. we got cheated when they didn't count his bucket.
i'd be more confident iffn typo's time was distributed to jmoney and hawk. other than that, coach is fine, team is fine, future is fine when we get back to adama and tmart, cuz, u know, that interior scoring thing.
pro tip: try to make a game at Morgantown or Providence - big fun, except that part, if ur driving to WV, where the trip computer sez 'proceed for 100 miles on this road.' 100 miles? (aboot 450 miles overall)
that's longer than our entire state! good thing we had a pail of black rock turnpike bagel king bagels - those things are starting to be a problem for me as lately, they're gone by late midday, and the store just closes. i was a bagel 'take them or leave them' sort until this recent revelation. must be his sourdough base. tasty!
and now, as a public service announcement for the hard of thinking,
https://bigeastconf_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/sports/m-baskbl/2021-2022/uconn.htm
 
I don’t pin this on confidence. Missing those 2 major players changes every aspect of those final game closing minutes, and we still only lost by 3 points. We have enough talent to be in every game we play but if we have bad shooting the result will likely not be there. Even average 3 point shooting the other night gives us a 10 point win. We should not get down on the team because it could be ugly for awhile.
Fair point, but this needs to be seen in the longer view. It occurred last year, and the year before. There are always reasons why, but a pattern has emerged.
 
Your statement is just as stupid the second time around. Congrats.

I'd recommend making an actually coherent argument instead of claiming I'm not relaxed. Suggests you have nothing worthwhile to say. Give me a lick of evidence that "mental toughness" is on the decline, and we'll have a discussion.
Participation trophies. Sounds like you may have a trophy case full of them.
 
Look to the top - Hurley himself gets wound up to the max, and I think that woundupness carries over to his team and gets everyone playing tight. Crunch time loose beats tight.

Hurleys job in those instances is to project calm confidence “everything is under control - we got this”
Not to put you on the spot but how would you explain Jim Calhoun in this situation?
 
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Can someone explain why no one in the Media has asked Hurley why Diggins is not getting any run?
I think the fan base deserves to know why our future point guard is riding the pine when Dan Hurley is concerned with burning up Cole.
 
Rims were tight for UCONN, Huggins made a defensive switch at just the right time and no one other than Cole could seem to make a play when it mattered. We win this game with either Tyrese or Adama on the floor.
 
Participation trophies. Sounds like you may have a trophy case full of them.

I have 17 amateur full-contact fights. There are two championship belts sitting in my living room. I went to college on a basketball scholarship.

GFTO of here. You don't know what toughness is, and never will.
 
confidence was down? duh. let's review.
1. after camp, coach sez 'offense goes thru adama.'
20% of season in, coach is correct, and adama brings it, while rj is stepping it up, bigly, and tymart continues to be a 11/7 rock. noice. all told, a reliable interior offense develops. then, no adama, no tymart? no reliable interior offense. not from akok (still too soon, guy is just finishing his first couple of games, and looks more comfortable with each one.), not from ajax, a fine player who many here are starting to figger out that shooting is not his thing (how long till sum kooks here figger out that a horse game between he and sool could take a month to complete?), not from hawk, another fine player who should eventually settle down, not from whaley, who, quite frankly, is Mr Mistakeless (luv, luv, luv dat). forget typo, 10 years in, his record is clear -no handle, no dish, no boards (tho he seems to be less afraid of getting touched lately, and has picked up a board every now and then), no blocks, no steals, no interior skill. currently, he's 36% fg overall (worst on team), 31% from 3 (worst on team), soooooooo, no reliable interior offense without the two dudes. period. at one point, typo fired up a particularly odious jack that made an unnatural sound as it clanked, and it resonated thruout the building. everrone there heard it, and sum reacted with 'that's an odd sound....'
no one to throw it to inside? that's gotta hurt confidence in the game plan.
2. playing in Morgantown, a lovely place filled with lovely folks, but playing their first big game at home with a packed crowd in a loooong time. folks were jacked to the max, yet few took my sweet UConn hockey shirt as a personal affront. Morgantown and Providence are my two 'must try to be there' away games. big fun, tho the folks in rhody can be a bit prickly at times. soooo, 12000 amped fans, who adore their coach, screaming their heads off? against our team which mostly hasn't had that experience yet? that's gotta hurt confidence in the game plan.
(heard at the game with around 2:30 to go: 'coach! why u taking out jmoney? u know that ur going to put him back in!' he did.)
given these two simple truths, hard to be confident driving ur car with 3 tires.
great game, great folks, and going in, a few neighbors thought typo would be a problem for them, but by the third q, they all thought 'forget him.'
they did like my jmoney cheers, and when coach took him out near the end, most also thought 'why?' after watching him fly around the floor all game.
and oh, playing the exact same minutes each season, around 19, his resume shows serious factual improvement results for well, everrthing each season. high up in league stats thus far for assists and steals, while adding almost 50% moar in points, and shooting 41% overall, with 42% on 3's. only guy whose to's equal his steals. ajax is still 1 to/ 1 assist - sumbody fix that, please. of course, jmoney also leads in assists/to's ratio as well. we got cheated when they didn't count his bucket.
i'd be more confident iffn typo's time was distributed to jmoney and hawk. other than that, coach is fine, team is fine, future is fine when we get back to adama and tmart, cuz, u know, that interior scoring thing.
pro tip: try to make a game at Morgantown or Providence - big fun, except that part, if ur driving to WV, where the trip computer sez 'proceed for 100 miles on this road.' 100 miles? (aboot 450 miles overall)
that's longer than our entire state! good thing we had a pail of black rock turnpike bagel king bagels - those things are starting to be a problem for me as lately, they're gone by late midday, and the store just closes. i was a bagel 'take them or leave them' sort until this recent revelation. must be his sourdough base. tasty!
and now, as a public service announcement for the hard of thinking,
https://bigeastconf_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/sports/m-baskbl/2021-2022/uconn.htm
Well done........

Charlie Sheen Applause GIF
 
Look to the top - Hurley himself gets wound up to the max, and I think that woundupness carries over to his team and gets everyone playing tight. Crunch time loose beats tight.

Hurleys job in those instances is to project calm confidence “everything is under control - we got this”
this is a good word, 'woundupness.' props.
methinks hawk has a case of this. i expect that his affliction will dissipate in time.
 
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It also falls on the veterans. Who on the team can you say is a leader? Who do you see holding everyone accountable on the court? No one.

Martin and Sanogo are the only ones I’ve seen talk trash to the opponents and bully them.
Leaders are usually guys who are future Huskies of Honor, which is what this team is lacking. Sanogo maybe, if he gets to play a couple two three full seasons.
 
Not to put you on the spot but how would you explain Jim Calhoun in this situation?

Explained a little in post 18, and see maybe when I spoke of Hurly "getting wound up" or "going wild" it could be conflated with Calhoun yelling at his players.

What I was specifically referring to in the original post was a shot of Hurly pacing the sidelines in the waning moments of the game looking like his head was going to explode. He wasn't addressing anyone at the time. We aren't there, and don't know all the specifics, so we each kind of have to fill in the blanks using our personal experience. To me his manor pretty much shouted "We are so forked." I've got to believe the players pick up on that as well, and it gets everyone tight at the worst possible time.

Could be totally misreading the situation, after all we lost a tough road game without two critical starters. No big deal, but Hurly himself said the players seemed hesitant to shoot. Which of course prompts the OP's "why?"
Just calling it as I read it from my couch.
 
Disagree on the Johnson 3, he needs to take that shot 100 out of 100 times. Especially against a West Virginia team with that half court defense. Those are the type of shots that when they don't go down for Johnson and Hawkins you coach them up and tell them it's a good shot. I have no idea what was or wasn't said but in the first half we had a ton of good shots that didn't go down, and in the 2nd half we had a ton of good looks we didn't take which led to bad shots not going down
That’s why I didn’t get the “he ripped the team at halftime” comment the other poster made. If he ripped them for not making the good looks, then it’s pretty clear what the problem was with their confidence in the second half. We got a bunch of good shots in the first half, the only problem was they didn’t fall.
 
I agree with the "situational" sentiment. I do think that these guys can get tougher and learn to step up to the moment. Someone or multiple players will eventually step into that role and other roles will be defined throughout the season. I'm not disappointed or disheartened by their performance thus far this season, and I do think there is grit and determination in each one of these players otherwise they would've gone to another school. It's more so a complacency and a tentativeness to relinquish the last shot or critical moment to someone else. Don't like seeing that is all.
Right. There is so much potential in this team, it obvious to anyone watching. We have one of the most athletic teams in the country. Our basketball skills are above average all things considered. But our main weakness right now is the mental aspect.

If we fix the mental aspect and make it a strength and not a weakness, then between that and our athleticism we can make up for any skill deficiencies we have.

The pieces are there, and agree it is frustrating in Hurley year 4 this is still a problem. But I’m (foolishly?) confident they will figure it out.
 
I have 17 amateur full-contact fights. There are two championship belts sitting in my living room. I went to college on a basketball scholarship.

GFTO of here. You don't know what toughness is, and never will.
If my math is correct, you should have at least 15 participation trophies.
 
If my math is correct, you should have at least 15 participation trophies.

TBH I do have a couple from elementary school soccer somewhere in a box in my basement. I distinctly remember my coach giving me player of the week, and saying "Husky429, I've never seen you run before!"

Didn't like soccer so much. Hated baseball. Basketball and punching people in the face was my jam.
 
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Right. There is so much potential in this team, it obvious to anyone watching. We have one of the most athletic teams in the country. Our basketball skills are above average all things considered. But our main weakness right now is the mental aspect.

If we fix the mental aspect and make it a strength and not a weakness, then between that and our athleticism we can make up for any skill deficiencies we have.

The pieces are there, and agree it is frustrating in Hurley year 4 this is still a problem. But I’m (foolishly?) confident they will figure it out.

I mean this genuinely isn't shooting a basketball skill?
 
I mean this genuinely isn't shooting a basketball skill?
Yes, but it's not the only skill set. We are elite at rebound, shot blocking and defense. Above average at passing. We do lack in ball handling and shot making.

All things considered, I believe our "skill sets" would be above average. But athleticism and poise (if we can get some) can overcome those deficiencies. Games will still be ugly & low scoring, but we should come out on the right side of the W/L column more times than not. That's why it's imperative they figure out the confidence aspect ASAP.
 
I'd encourage you to watch Jim Calhoun in the last 4 minutes of close games. I'm pretty neutral on Hurley's court demeanor, so I've got no dog in this particular fight. When games were close late, Calhoun turned into an analytical genius--his personality changed. He started playing chess instead of basketball. I've heard these words directly from an assistant coach's mouth.

This is where I do have a dog in the fight... Hurley has yet to show he has an analytical mind in that capacity. I'll stand by that. At this point, it seems undeniable. He needs to be better coaching the end of games. It wasn't just this game--we missed shots we shouldn't have. We may not have won regardless of his coaching with our shooting the way it is. But when there's a PATTERN of bad closeouts to game, coach needs to start looking in the mirror.
Jim ain’t exactly doing anything right now. Why not stick him in the 1st row behind Hurley?
 
Jim ain’t exactly doing anything right now. Why not stick him in the 1st row behind Hurley?

Doesn't really work like that. You've gotta know your players' games inside and out to make these kind of intuitive split-second decisions. Calhoun isn't going to be able to do that for him... I do think having Kimani or Tom have a little more game-day autonomy to make decisions wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
Doesn't really work like that. You've gotta know your players' games inside and out to make these kind of intuitive split-second decisions. Calhoun isn't going to be able to do that for him... I do think having Kimani or Tom have a little more game-day autonomy to make decisions wouldn't be a bad idea.
Pride has not kept old Larry Brown off the bench. Hurley could bring him on the bench. Know it won’t happen but the man is a fountain of hoop knowledge.
 
Players take on the personality of the coach, it's kind of known around college basketball now that Hurley isn't all that adaptable in games and gets tight down the stretch.
You're gonna need to provide some evidence for "kind of known around college basketball".
 
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You're gonna need to provide some evidence for "kind of known around college basketball".
Well, we know it, and we're just dopey message board jockeys. You don't think coaches who are paid to notice such things haven't caught on as well?
 
You're gonna need to provide some evidence for "kind of known around college basketball".
Your evidence is what coaches do in the closing minutes of games and how coach responds.
 

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