Hurley’s complaints way overdue

[HailUConn]

Big E refs either sux or target?

What say you?

 

[bluestreak]

I've never coached, I haven't read the NCAA rule book. But I have watched quite a bit of MCBB, and in games where I have no preference to the outcome I have concluded anymore, that I have no idea what constitutes a foul, a charge or a block, an illegal screen etc. The refs in all leagues have become so inconsistent that it causes me to question the conspiracy theories like this.

As a UConn fan, I'm looking at the the non calls that I see all too often committed by the team we're playing against. I objectively think the refs are using two different sets of eyes at the other end of the court. I don't know if its ineptitude or dishonest effort, but it's undeniably happening.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

These are the calls we’re complaining about? We HAVE to get a grip. No ref is calling any of that.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

If they're calling illegal screens they should also be calling holds, clutching and pushes away from the ball. Otherwise it's just wrestling without the knee pads. Holding cutters isn't "physical" basketball, it's against the rules.

 

[Iluvsuebird]

These are the calls we’re complaining about? We HAVE to get a grip. No ref is calling any of that.

Well that is not true. I know that because I watch, I don't know, 10 or so games a week from other conferences, and their games don't look like roller derby. By the way, other BE games don't look like that.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Well that is not true. I know that because I watch, I don't know, 10 or so games a week from other conferences, and their games don't look like roller derby. By the way, other BE games don't look like that.

These excuses are soft and pathetic. Those are not fouls to complain about.

 

[navery12]

These are the calls we’re complaining about? We HAVE to get a grip. No ref is calling any of that.

Yes, those are fouls and they get called all the time across college basketball

 

[UConnTrumbull]

These excuses are soft and pathetic. Those are not fouls to complain about.

lol ok

 

[thekollieman]

I've never coached, I haven't read the NCAA rule book. But I have watched quite a bit of MCBB, and in games where I have no preference to the outcome I have concluded anymore, that I have no idea what constitutes a foul, a charge or a block, an illegal screen etc. The refs in all leagues have become so inconsistent that it causes me to question the conspiracy theories like this.

As a UConn fan, I'm looking at the the non calls that I see all too often committed by the team we're playing against. I objectively think the refs are using two different sets of eyes at the other end of the court. I don't know if its ineptitude or dishonest effort, but it's undeniably happening.

I feel like the internet - with clips, replays, etc infinitely available - along with DVR on live TV giving us the ability to play things back in real time, is simply exposing how nearly (if not entirely) impossible it is to ref objectively. Calls are subjective, plain and simple, extremely affected by error in human judgment. However, I don’t think AI could do it justice because if AI thoroughly understood the rules and made objective calls, there would be a whistle on literally every single possession. Refereeing in all sports really is accepted in good faith alone as far as I see it.

 

[aceboon]

These are the calls we’re complaining about? We HAVE to get a grip. No ref is calling any of that.

they had no issue calling them at the end of regulation of the Xavier game

 

[BuffaloHusky]

I didn't quite realize that Hurley made the comment today until about an hour ago but I was there last night and I was fairly close behind the Butler bench. Early in the first half, I made a mental note about just how physical Butler was with the cuts and I thought the refs were pretty consistent but the problem I see in the big East is the refs will let everything go in the first half and then call significantly more in the 2nd. Last night, that's when it got lopsided because they did make the proper calls when Butler went to the hoop but they mostly maintained the first half perspective off the ball. In a perfect world, I just wish they would call the game the same both halves and we can make genuine adjustments.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

they had no issue calling them at the end of regulation of the Xavier game

9 times out of 10 it’s not being called. None of those clips were even as bad as the Xavier game because there was no pulling or tugging once we actually started to move.

Most refs are not calling marginal contact away from the ball. Even in that Xavier game after they called it for McNeeley they gave them a makeup call because they knew how bad that call was in a close game like that.

These aren’t the things to fight about.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

And you know what, if we’re being held that bad teach guys how to attack those kind of things. Do rip throughs, swims, anything to get a release. In every one of those clips our guys just let themselves get touched (even though it is marginal).

Attacking those kind of things also bring attention to it to get called.

 

[auror]

And you know what, if we’re being held that bad teach guys how to attack those kind of things. Do rip throughs, swims, anything to get a release. In every one of those clips our guys just let themselves get touched (even though it is marginal).

Attacking those kind of things also bring attention to it to get called.

Ball does the arm raise thing, but he probably needs to take a page from Stevie Mitchell and just fall over.

 

[caw]

These excuses are soft and pathetic. Those are not fouls to complain about.

I do agree those appear soft, but it all involves the context of standard across the game, league and country. With the larger gripe being in order there.

 

[Hurleyman216]

And you know what, if we’re being held that bad teach guys how to attack those kind of things. Do rip throughs, swims, anything to get a release. In every one of those clips our guys just let themselves get touched (even though it is marginal).

Attacking those kind of things also bring attention to it to get called.

The more you post, the more it’s obvious how clueless you are.

 

[bluestreak]

I feel like the internet - with clips, replays, etc infinitely available - along with DVR on live TV giving us the ability to play things back in real time, is simply exposing how nearly (if not entirely) impossible it is to ref objectively. Calls are subjective, plain and simple, extremely affected by error in human judgment.

I might be guilty of replaying and judging refs based on what I see. But if everything from simple contact and a visious mauling is subjective then that leaves every call up to the mood and bias of the ref in the moment. Yikes!

 

[The Viking]

i'm assuming teams that are playing us are coached to get away with as much tugging and pulling as possible early in the game until they start calling it (if they do).
Who was the NFL coach who told his CB's to just mug the WR's becasue the officials couldn't call them all - Belichek?
Kind of reminds me of that.

 

[Rico444]

9 times out of 10 it’s not being called. None of those clips were even as bad as the Xavier game because there was no pulling or tugging once we actually started to move.

Most refs are not calling marginal contact away from the ball. Even in that Xavier game after they called it for McNeeley they gave them a makeup call because they knew how bad that call was in a close game like that.

These aren’t the things to fight about.

You're making Hurley's point for him. He's saying that in any of these clips if that player had the ball it would be called a foul, but just because they don't refs ignore the grabbing, pulling, and hugging. And he's saying it hurts us more than most teams because of how we play.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

You're making Hurley's point for him. He's saying that in any of these clips if that player had the ball it would be called a foul, but just because they don't refs ignore the grabbing, pulling, and hugging. And he's saying it hurts us more than most teams because of how we play.

So we want special calls for us because of our style of play?

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Ball does the arm raise thing, but he probably needs to take a page from Stevie Mitchell and just fall over.

He raises his arm but he’s not attacking the grab. Attacking those kind of things forces a ref to make a call because he’ll want to stop the hand fighting.

Not going to the media crying about it after every game.

 

[jimva]

I read article, and to some point I sympathize with his view, at the same time:

• we are +5/6 a game because of Johnson and Reed.
• we do not play driving iso type of game that would draw more fouls, as they are being called
• we shoot a lot of threes.
• our guards get beat and grab

As a result, I think a lot of the discrepancy we see, given the way the game is being called can be explained by style of play vs ref conspiracy.

 

[TheHorde]

So we want special calls for us because of our style of play?

We want the rule book to be enforced. Not just on a Samson moving screen but also when our guys are getting grabbed going around a pick. Our offense uses a lot of screens and movement and the grabbing impedes that movement and our offense in a disproportionate manner.

 

[JMick]

i'm assuming teams that are playing us are coached to get away with as much tugging and pulling as possible early in the game until they start calling it (if they do).
Who was the NFL coach who told his CB's to just mug the WR's becasue the officials couldn't call them all - Belichek?
Kind of reminds me of that.

It was Pete Carrol and the legion of boom

 

[TheHorde]

It was Pete Carrol and the legion of boom

Belichick’s defenses against the Colts offenses in the early 2000s played very physically, including during the routes. The Colts complained incessantly to the league, and were primarily responsible for getting the illegal contact rule implemented.