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I've never coached, I haven't read the NCAA rule book. But I have watched quite a bit of MCBB, and in games where I have no preference to the outcome I have concluded anymore, that I have no idea what constitutes a foul, a charge or a block, an illegal screen etc. The refs in all leagues have become so inconsistent that it causes me to question the conspiracy theories like this.

As a UConn fan, I'm looking at the the non calls that I see all too often committed by the team we're playing against. I objectively think the refs are using two different sets of eyes at the other end of the court. I don't know if its ineptitude or dishonest effort, but it's undeniably happening.
 
If they're calling illegal screens they should also be calling holds, clutching and pushes away from the ball. Otherwise it's just wrestling without the knee pads. Holding cutters isn't "physical" basketball, it's against the rules.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
These are the calls we’re complaining about? We HAVE to get a grip. No ref is calling any of that.
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If it affects the catch they should. They need to clean up off ball. Contact, and need to make sure contact on the ball carrier creates and advantage for the defense. Too much if a guy gets hit the. It is a foul. Except of course when Jayden Ross or diarra go to the basket. Then it is rule of verticality. lol.
 
bluestreak said:
I've never coached, I haven't read the NCAA rule book. But I have watched quite a bit of MCBB, and in games where I have no preference to the outcome I have concluded anymore, that I have no idea what constitutes a foul, a charge or a block, an illegal screen etc. The refs in all leagues have become so inconsistent that it causes me to question the conspiracy theories like this.

As a UConn fan, I'm looking at the the non calls that I see all too often committed by the team we're playing against. I objectively think the refs are using two different sets of eyes at the other end of the court. I don't know if its ineptitude or dishonest effort, but it's undeniably happening.
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I feel like the internet - with clips, replays, etc infinitely available - along with DVR on live TV giving us the ability to play things back in real time, is simply exposing how nearly (if not entirely) impossible it is to ref objectively. Calls are subjective, plain and simple, extremely affected by error in human judgment. However, I don’t think AI could do it justice because if AI thoroughly understood the rules and made objective calls, there would be a whistle on literally every single possession. Refereeing in all sports really is accepted in good faith alone as far as I see it.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
These excuses are soft and pathetic. Those are not fouls to complain about.
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Soft and pathetic? Really? Hurley absolutely has a legitimate complaint. That was excessive. (That is all I saw of the game) The leveling of the playing field by way of allowing excessive holding and hand checking - is rather obvious.
 
I didn't quite realize that Hurley made the comment today until about an hour ago but I was there last night and I was fairly close behind the Butler bench. Early in the first half, I made a mental note about just how physical Butler was with the cuts and I thought the refs were pretty consistent but the problem I see in the big East is the refs will let everything go in the first half and then call significantly more in the 2nd. Last night, that's when it got lopsided because they did make the proper calls when Butler went to the hoop but they mostly maintained the first half perspective off the ball. In a perfect world, I just wish they would call the game the same both halves and we can make genuine adjustments.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
These excuses are soft and pathetic. Those are not fouls to complain about.
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These are fouls plain and simple, fouling a cutter trying to use a screen to get open for a 3 pointer is just as much of a disadvantage to the offense as fouling someone taking a shot, in fact you could argue it’s even more of an advantage to the defense because often times it prevents a team from shooting entirely. What really drives me crazy is when all of that clutching and grabbing is going on and we get called for a moving screen when our guy isn’t moving. I’ll continue calling out what I see because I’m in a position to do so. The mods on this board can get upset or delete posts and threads but it doesn’t change any of the facts.
 
aceboon said:
they had no issue calling them at the end of regulation of the Xavier game
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9 times out of 10 it’s not being called. None of those clips were even as bad as the Xavier game because there was no pulling or tugging once we actually started to move.

Most refs are not calling marginal contact away from the ball. Even in that Xavier game after they called it for McNeeley they gave them a makeup call because they knew how bad that call was in a close game like that.

These aren’t the things to fight about.
 
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And you know what, if we’re being held that bad teach guys how to attack those kind of things. Do rip throughs, swims, anything to get a release. In every one of those clips our guys just let themselves get touched (even though it is marginal).

Attacking those kind of things also bring attention to it to get called.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
And you know what, if we’re being held that bad teach guys how to attack those kind of things. Do rip throughs, swims, anything to get a release. In every one of those clips our guys just let themselves get touched (even though it is marginal).

Attacking those kind of things also bring attention to it to get called.
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Ball does the arm raise thing, but he probably needs to take a page from Stevie Mitchell and just fall over.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
These excuses are soft and pathetic. Those are not fouls to complain about.
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I do agree those appear soft, but it all involves the context of standard across the game, league and country. With the larger gripe being in order there.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
And you know what, if we’re being held that bad teach guys how to attack those kind of things. Do rip throughs, swims, anything to get a release. In every one of those clips our guys just let themselves get touched (even though it is marginal).

Attacking those kind of things also bring attention to it to get called.
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The more you post, the more it’s obvious how clueless you are.
 
thekollieman said:
I feel like the internet - with clips, replays, etc infinitely available - along with DVR on live TV giving us the ability to play things back in real time, is simply exposing how nearly (if not entirely) impossible it is to ref objectively. Calls are subjective, plain and simple, extremely affected by error in human judgment.
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I might be guilty of replaying and judging refs based on what I see. But if everything from simple contact and a visious mauling is subjective then that leaves every call up to the mood and bias of the ref in the moment. Yikes!
 
i'm assuming teams that are playing us are coached to get away with as much tugging and pulling as possible early in the game until they start calling it (if they do).
Who was the NFL coach who told his CB's to just mug the WR's becasue the officials couldn't call them all - Belichek?
Kind of reminds me of that.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
9 times out of 10 it’s not being called. None of those clips were even as bad as the Xavier game because there was no pulling or tugging once we actually started to move.

Most refs are not calling marginal contact away from the ball. Even in that Xavier game after they called it for McNeeley they gave them a makeup call because they knew how bad that call was in a close game like that.

These aren’t the things to fight about.
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You're making Hurley's point for him. He's saying that in any of these clips if that player had the ball it would be called a foul, but just because they don't refs ignore the grabbing, pulling, and hugging. And he's saying it hurts us more than most teams because of how we play.
 
Rico444 said:
You're making Hurley's point for him. He's saying that in any of these clips if that player had the ball it would be called a foul, but just because they don't refs ignore the grabbing, pulling, and hugging. And he's saying it hurts us more than most teams because of how we play.
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So we want special calls for us because of our style of play?
 
auror said:
Ball does the arm raise thing, but he probably needs to take a page from Stevie Mitchell and just fall over.
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He raises his arm but he’s not attacking the grab. Attacking those kind of things forces a ref to make a call because he’ll want to stop the hand fighting.

Not going to the media crying about it after every game.
 
I read article, and to some point I sympathize with his view, at the same time:

  • we are +5/6 a game because of Johnson and Reed.
  • we do not play driving iso type of game that would draw more fouls, as they are being called
  • we shoot a lot of threes.
  • our guards get beat and grab

As a result, I think a lot of the discrepancy we see, given the way the game is being called can be explained by style of play vs ref conspiracy.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
So we want special calls for us because of our style of play?
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We want the rule book to be enforced. Not just on a Samson moving screen but also when our guys are getting grabbed going around a pick. Our offense uses a lot of screens and movement and the grabbing impedes that movement and our offense in a disproportionate manner.
 
The Viking said:
i'm assuming teams that are playing us are coached to get away with as much tugging and pulling as possible early in the game until they start calling it (if they do).
Who was the NFL coach who told his CB's to just mug the WR's becasue the officials couldn't call them all - Belichek?
Kind of reminds me of that.
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It was Pete Carrol and the legion of boom
 
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