How would you rank the programs to win 3 or more NCs?

[Big44papa]

Can i make a few points?
1) Over the last 15 season there is NO doubt that Uconn is the BEST college program out there. I would also say that our numbers over the last 25 years are just was good as most others.

2) Uconn better than Kansas? If your going back 40+ years than maybe not.....over the last 25? Yes easily. and for the record.....there would be ALOT of huge names lined up to take Ollie's job but i believe we would keep it in house .....coach Moore or Allen maybe?

3) Not getting the Blue chip recruits that UK Duke and Kansas get? over the last 5 years we have dealt with Nate miles, laptops stolen, APR issues with mutiple penilties, losing scollies, retiring/bad health coach, banned from post season, the heart and soul of the BE taken away and the BE leaving us. Do u not think other coaching staffs used this against us? but here is the GREAT news! you dont need MAA to win national championships (we have had 1 in 5 years)....

.....this is the future of college basketball, Ollie knows the blueprint to win and when the CALs and K's of the game figure it out.......we will the new BB program!

 

[CallMeBruce]

I'm with you - using History Kansas is better. But your last paragraph-- how has UCLA been without Wooden? They had Larry Brown for a short time. Howland had a little run with no title. I know you didn't put UCLA there but just sayin' if your last paragraph is a criteria then we have to look hard at dropping UCLA.

I think I was pretty clear that I think UCLA is wildly overrated based on what they did over one 12-year stretch while they were brazenly buying the best players.

 

[EricLA]

I do agree a lot goes into how far back you want to go. Since 1989 (so over the past 25 years) Kansas has made it to 6 FF's, compared to UCONN's 5. But in that same span, UCONN has won 4 NC's to Kansas' 2. Historically, Kansas, Last 25 years, UCONN.

Last 25 years, UNC 5 final 4's, 2 NC's. Again, historically UNC, last 25 years UCONN.

Same goes for Duke, etc. I do get the question was about historically and you can't argue that other teams including Duke and Ken$ucky to have more final 4's than UCONN since the 1950's, so yeah historically those programs are "better". But in the spirit of "what have you done for me lately", I think 25 years is a pretty long way to "go back" and look at stats. The fact that UCONN is #1 or 2 over the past 25 years is something special.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I do agree a lot goes into how far back you want to go. Since 1989 (so over the past 25 years) Kansas has made it to 6 FF's, compared to UCONN's 5. But in that same span, UCONN has won 4 NC's to Kansas' 2. Historically, Kansas, Last 25 years, UCONN.

Last 25 years, UNC 5 final 4's, 2 NC's. Again, historically UNC, last 25 years UCONN.

Same goes for Duke, etc. I do get the question was about historically and you can't argue that other teams including Duke and Ken$ucky to have more final 4's than UCONN since the 1950's, so yeah historically those programs are "better". But in the spirit of "what have you done for me lately", I think 25 years is a pretty long way to "go back" and look at stats. The fact that UCONN is #1 or 2 over the past 25 years is something special.

If we're limiting it to the past 25 years, it's probably #1 Duke, #2 UConn, #3 UNC. Duke is hard to top, though. 4 titles, 7 championship games, 8 Final Fours, 10 Elite Eights, 17 Sweet Sixteens, and 24 tourney appearances. The two delicious first-round losses to no-name schools in the last three years have been very entertaining, however.

 

[IMind]

Hell, I just want one...thats all...so close in 73 and 08

Don't worry, it'll feel better when you win it without Calapari... and it also wont get vacated.

 

[ASweet3781]

Historical Final Fours are overrated and misleading.

What's more impressive not to mention relevant? Losing in the Elite 8 in close hard fought games to the eventual National Champs in 1995 and 2002? Or winning 2 games and making the Final Four in 1950whatever? Less teams in the NCAA's, many good teams of the year playing in the NIT instead, and less games to win.

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[David 76]

NCAA Tourney Record past 15 years
Duke 29-10, 2 NCs, 2 other FFs
UCONN 38-8, 4 NCS, 1 other FF

20 years:
Duke: 38-14, 2 NCs, 2 other FFs
UCONN 48-12, 4 NCs, 1 other FF

25 years
Duke: 66-19, 4 NCs, 4 other FFs
UCONN 54-15, 4 NCs, 1 other FF

Duke was better 20-25 years ago but not in a long time. Do they get more publicity? Higher ranked recruits? Are they more likely to be picked in office pools in 49 states? Does Dickey V slobber over them?
Yes Yes Yes Yes and Yes.
Have they played better basketball than us? Not in the last 20 years.

 

[SubbaBub]

I'd like to see a list of tournament games played since 1979.

 

[freescooter]

I really think that you need to split the championships between about pre-1980 when it went to 48 teams and post 1980. That was more or less the birth of the "modern" tourney. Though I think you could add the 3-point line as the single biggest change to the game, even more than the time clock. The 3-pointer totally changed the game and made upsets much more viable, and put a premium on outside shooting. UCLA doesn't win all those titles with the modern 3-point line in my estimation. In the "modern era" UConn is right up there. Top 5 for sure and I think you could make a case that its only behind Duke and probably UNC, but not by much.

 

[freescooter]

Upon further thought, I think a case could be made that the tournament actually changed in 1975, the year that the field expanded to 32 and at-large teams were added in the sense we currently know them. Before 1975, there was a limit of 1 team per conference, and the term "at-large" referred to teams not affiliated with a league. Beginning in 1975, the 1 team per conference rule ended which made the field significantly tougher. Heck, in 1971, the #2 team in the nation, Southern Cal, didn't play in the NCAA tournament, nor did Maryland in 1974 when they were ranked #3.