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MattMang23 said:
A short term outlook? I would think the best candidate is best no matter the outlook. And Memphis is not a better option in the case of a short-term cash grab anyway. The TV numbers and the WSJ athletic value numbers do not bear that out.

If I'm a company hiring an employee, why would I hire the employee with the lesser résumé? Because in eight years the more qualified employee might leave? Or our company might go bankrupt and cease to exist? That's pretty dumb. If I hired the better candidate I would have eight more years of higher quality production and give myself a much better chance of survival even if that person leaves or my company fails after eight years.

I can not fathom how this "company" could make such an egregious mistake.
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You are missing the point. The Big 12 TV contract means more total money for adding schools, ANY school. Paying less to new members initially means more money for existing B12 schools. Only if you were focused on LT value would you focus on the best brands, new markets,... If you only care about ST, Memphis is a viable option.
 
ninety-nine said:
I suppose Memphis would be less of a flight risk, too. UConn could be tempted by the ACC or B1G down the road.
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If this happens and that is the argument used that would be absurd. The Big 12 should turn down UConn and the greater likelihood for a higher economic windfall over an indeterminate period of time to take a different school? Because one day we might leave their league? We are the most valued property left on the board as evaluated by both TV people and by athletic worth as evaluated by the WSJ. Asinine.
 
UConnJim said:
You are missing the point. The Big 12 TV contract means more total money for adding schools, ANY school. Paying less to new members initially means more money for existing B12 schools. Only if you were focused on LT value would you focus on the best brands, new markets,... If you only care about ST, Memphis is a viable option.
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Who brings more value in a potential renegotiation of TV rights fees? UConn or Memphis? Memphis is not a better option in any sense.
 
If the networks are worried about diluting the overall package as today's reports state, then you would think adding BYU for football and UCONN as a whole would make the most sense. In a perfect world...
 
UConnJim said:
I hope that I am wrong, but the more I think about it, the more I think Memphis as the 4th for the Big 12 makes some sense. Big 12 expansion is not about some grand vision for the future, but a reactionary short term revenue grab. If the Big 12 expands with Memphis, Cincinnati, BYU, and Houston, you will know that the Big 12 is on borrowed time and no conference network is coming. Geographically, Memphis is closer, so they fit with a conference with a short term outlook.
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It's not because they are closer. It's because the B12 schools see the mythical FedEx dollar signs.
 
Excalibur said:
It's not because they are closer. It's because the B12 schools see the mythical FedEx dollar signs.
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And partially culture, I would expect. The Northeast is a different planet from the bulk of Big 12 country. I'm not saying one is better than the other just different.
 
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ninety-nine said:
I suppose Memphis would be less of a flight risk, too. UConn could be tempted by the ACC or B1G down the road.
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The Flight risks are Texas and Oklahoma.
UConn would be dumb enough to sign a GOR for 20 or 30 yesrs
 
MattMang23 said:
Who brings more value in a potential renegotiation of TV rights fees? UConn or Memphis? Memphis is not a better option in any sense.
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The TV contract is already set. If Texas and Oklahoma are going to leave after the GORs expire, they don't care about any future contracts or renegotiations.
 
UConnJim said:
The TV contract is already set. If Texas and Oklahoma are going to leave after the GORs expire, they don't care about any future contracts or renegotiations.
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If.

And if they don't, they'd probably like to have the strongest partners with them to negotiate a new deal, no?
 
FWIW, through the UT grapevine, one of their donors is telling us it's UCONN and Cincy for all sports, BYU for football only, and either Boise State or UCF for football only. According to this source, the Sooners had to threaten to leave the conference to insure that UH didn't get in, but indicates it's possible it was a bluff intended to get BYU in. If true, then Cincy and UCONN were solidly in no
matter what, and the scramble is for Nos. 13 and 14. The UT folks don't think UH has the votes from the non-TX schools to make it.

Again, nothing but unsubstantiated rumors with no warranty.
 
UConnNick said:
FWIW, through the UT grapevine, one of their donors is telling us it's UCONN and Cincy for all sports, BYU for football only, and either Boise State or UCF for football only. According to this source, the Sooners had to threaten to leave the conference to insure that UH didn't get in, but indicates it's possible it was a bluff intended to get BYU in. If true, then Cincy and UCONN were solidly in no
matter what, and the scramble is for Nos. 13 and 14. The UT folks don't think UH has the votes from the non-TX schools to make it.

Again, nothing but unsubstantiated rumors with no warranty.
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UCF for football only is certainly not expected after a 0-12 season.
 
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If it really is a choice between UCF and Boise for the fourteenth spot, UCF has all the market share metrics in their favor, but Boise has more long term sustained football success. Several years ago UT granted UCF a two year home and away deal in FB. They played a game in Orlando, which showed they valued having a potential recruiting presence in Florida.

I think UCF gets the nod if it's between them and Boise because the market difference is a huge advantage, and they're only a few seasons removed from belting Baylor in a BCS bowl game. I think some may be willing to overlook their dreadful 2015 season record. They had been a program consistently on the rise, and football only means you don't have to take their dreadful BB program.
 
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F all these poser schools trying to claw ahead of us. Get to the back of the line, losers. Most of all F Hathaway for putting us in this situation. God I hate everything.

Yeah this kick is going to break my spirit.
 
CTMike said:
F all these poser schools trying to claw ahead of us. Get to the back of the line, losers. Most of all F Hathaway for putting us in this situation. God I hate everything.

Yeah this kick is going to break my spirit.
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UConnNick said:
FWIW, through the UT grapevine, one of their donors is telling us it's UCONN and Cincy for all sports, BYU for football only, and either Boise State or UCF for football only. According to this source, the Sooners had to threaten to leave the conference to insure that UH didn't get in, but indicates it's possible it was a bluff intended to get BYU in. If true, then Cincy and UCONN were solidly in no
matter what, and the scramble is for Nos. 13 and 14. The UT folks don't think UH has the votes from the non-TX schools to make it.

Again, nothing but unsubstantiated rumors with no warranty.
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This goes along with what Dodd said in the radio interview. Bowlsby wants only two basketball schools so as to not dilute the brand.
 
ninety-nine said:
I suppose Memphis would be less of a flight risk, too. UConn could be tempted by the ACC or B1G down the road.
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Flight risk? From what? If Memphis joins the Big 12, the Big 12 won't exist much longer.
 
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jostar1 said:
This goes along with what Dodd said in the radio interview. Bowlsby wants only two basketball schools so as to not dilute the brand.
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Please name the other basketball school. You have one blue blood and one potential team in Cincy that the said blue blood continuously beats when it counts.
 
djct1999 said:
Please name the other basketball school. You have one blue blood and one potential team in Cincy that the said blue blood continuously beats when it counts.
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As opposed to adding four schools for all sports.
 
CTMike said:
F all these poser schools trying to claw ahead of us. Get to the back of the line, losers. Most of all F Hathaway for putting us in this situation. God I hate everything.

Yeah this kick is going to break my spirit.
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This is basically my feeling right now if this goes down with UH, Memphis, and even Cincy. Look, Cincy was in C-USA while we were in the Big East. It took BC, Miami, and VT leaving for them to even escape that hell hole. Then they and Louisville get the magic ticket to the P5?!? ....I was ok with Cincy for a bit but lately I've been just as bitter towards them going....

Memphis?! Flipping Memphis?!? Screw this. If they and UH both get in I'm throwing in the towel. I can't stand this disaster any more and I really don't need it. This whole thing is $*^t and I hope it's wrong and we get the invite
 
UConnNick said:
FWIW, through the UT grapevine, one of their donors is telling us it's UCONN and Cincy for all sports, BYU for football only, and either Boise State or UCF for football only. According to this source, the Sooners had to threaten to leave the conference to insure that UH didn't get in, but indicates it's possible it was a bluff intended to get BYU in. If true, then Cincy and UCONN were solidly in no
matter what, and the scramble is for Nos. 13 and 14. The UT folks don't think UH has the votes from the non-TX schools to make it.

Again, nothing but unsubstantiated rumors with no warranty.
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Honestly, OU threatening to leave if UH is included (and/or kicks out one of OU's choices) doesn't surprise me one bit. If Houston is added then the league will have 5 teams from Texas, two of which UT would basically hold ransom for "bringing them along." How any of the schools outside of Texas could see this as a good idea is beyond me. The Texas schools already have an automatic Veto, why add another one into the mix.
 
CTMike said:
F all these poser schools trying to claw ahead of us. Get to the back of the line, losers. Most of all F Hathaway for putting us in this situation. God I hate everything.

Yeah this kick is going to break my spirit.
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UConnNick said:
FWIW, through the UT grapevine, one of their donors is telling us it's UCONN and Cincy for all sports, BYU for football only, and either Boise State or UCF for football only. According to this source, the Sooners had to threaten to leave the conference to insure that UH didn't get in, but indicates it's possible it was a bluff intended to get BYU in. If true, then Cincy and UCONN were solidly in no
matter what, and the scramble is for Nos. 13 and 14. The UT folks don't think UH has the votes from the non-TX schools to make it.

Again, nothing but unsubstantiated rumors with no warranty.
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This lines up pretty well with what we just heard today, no?
 
B12 kick is definitely rising as more news becomes available but I don't think anything could happen that would surpass Louisville beating us for a spot in the ACC.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I know Whaler had been on the Memphis pick for quite some time, but to actually see it materialize is still going to be shocking.

Absolutely insane to think that of the old 16 team Big East, plus new AAC members (Memphis, Houston), plus Big East members that never played a game in the league in Boise State, TCU and San Diego State, plus New 10 team Big East members (Creighton, Xavier, Butler) every single program is ending up in a better place aside from us and South Florida.

That's 22 programs that will have had their athletic profile raised or league payout increased, while the vast majority don't even sniff our athletic programs accomplishments.

Staggering.
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All I've said about Memphis is when compromises are made in situations like these you often see things that don't make any sense for either side.
 
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