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Grambling, Bonnies on neutral court, at West Virginia, home against Providence, at Marquette, at Xavier...

Tyrese is as tough as it gets and wants to play but it seems like they most likely won't have him for these games. In Tyrese they lose a tremendous amount of physicality, perimeter defense and offense, rebounding, and a superior athlete on the break. How do they mitigate the damage of this loss?
 
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Andre needs to put on his big boy shoes and slide into Tyrese’s role on the boards and defense. AJ is not half the offensive threat that Tyrese is but has the tools to fill in the other roles. The good news is it should provide more opportunities for offensive minded players Polley and Hawkins.
 
Nothing is ideal. Jackson fits his role the most on offense (doesn't necessarily need the ball, not a willing shooter, attacks glass well) and defense (can guard both big wings and perimeter wings). But Jackson was already getting starter minutes, which means Gaffney, Polley, Hawkins, or some combination needs to play more on the wing.
  • Hawkins is lacking strength and doesn't hit the boards, so to contribute on offense needs the ball or plays run for him or kick outs.
  • Polley is slow footed on defense and streaky shooting on offense and also doesn't hit the boards.
  • Gaffney had trouble staying in front of his man last game and has the same concerns as Hawkins on offense.
 
auror said:
Nothing is ideal. Jackson fits his role the most on offense (doesn't necessarily need the ball, not a willing shooter, attacks glass well) and defense (can guard both big wings and perimeter wings). But Jackson was already getting starter minutes, which means Gaffney, Polley, Hawkins, or some combination needs to play more on the wing.
  • Hawkins is lacking strength and doesn't hit the boards, so to contribute on offense needs the ball or plays run for him or kick outs.
  • Polley is slow footed on defense and streaky shooting on offense and also doesn't hit the boards.
  • Gaffney had trouble staying in front of his man last game and has the same concerns as Hawkins on offense.
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tyrese's rebounding also gives us the ability to play small, which won't be as easy without him. might mean more akok? especially if sanogo misses any time...
 
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We need 80 minutes at the 2/3 spots. 25 for Hawkins, 25 for Jackson, 20 for Polley, 10 for Gaffney. I'd like to cut into Polley's minutes and increase Gaffney's at the 2 by playing Diggins but I have to be realistic with what we've seen
 
superjohn said:
Grambling, Bonnies on neutral court, at West Virginia, home against Providence, at Marquette, at Xavier...

Tyrese is as tough as it gets and wants to play but it seems like they most likely won't have him for these games. In Tyrese they lose a tremendous amount of physicality, perimeter defense and offense, rebounding, and a superior athlete on the break. How do they mitigate the damage of this loss?
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Hopefully it’s more on the 2 week side of 2-4 weeks and he doesn’t have to miss the conference games. Probably not knowing how these injuries are. Sigh…
 
i well recall who said what aboot mr 11/7 preseason, despite coach saying the ball goes thru adama, and rj and tyrese round out the offense first line. unknown at that time was how fundamental he is to scheming the press break. integral. ajax will fill in for some of tmart's job, and i expect coach is hammering into his brain the tmart press break job, ie, be calm, make the simple pass or handle.
i like how coach has the quick hook for injuries, and puts the player on the get well shelf. championships are won in the spring as fall and winter are for leaves and snow. and recovery.
 
I imagine that just as there will be an adjustment period learning how to play without TM, there will be another adjustment period when he returns…we never quite learned how to play with Bouk in the lineup last year after his injury….hopefully it’s early enough in the season for us to figure it out. With that said, it would be great to see more scoring in transition as we struggle in the half court.
 
TM has a nose for the ball on the Boards and on D .. Provided toughness. Great opportunity for AJ/JH to show their value. AA needs to grab some Boards and help on D. See the team challenge as more on the defensive side of the ball/boards than on the offensive side of the ball. These opportunities are why our fifth year seniors came back.

There is a freshman on the bench that Dan Hurley says is wall material. May have to find out sooner than Dan Hurley had anticipated.

I expect bumps in the road but I'll take W's over style points in Dec. A great time for team growth.
 
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Andre already does some heavy work on the boards...however, he isn't as involved on the offensive glass as Tyrese. That means Whaley needs to step up in that department a bit and maybe Andre can improve a bit too.

Offense wise, Andre can obviously improve there but it really is Polley, Hawkins and Gaffney that can make up the difference. This team has depth, it just hasn't shown up the last two games. Polley needs to get consistent with his shot, Hawkins needs the ball in his hands more, and Gaffney needs to maintain being aggressive regardless of opponent.

The pieces are there, guys just need to step up.
 
Indirect solution: A Sanogo slump buster is high on my wishlist. Right now it seems like all of the supporting cast is scared.

Anyone not named Cole/Sanogo is liable to have nights where they’re complete ghosts, so getting the two lead men in tune seems like the best place to start IMO. The rest Hurley will have to find and ride the hot hand until he can find some consistency from the Hawkins/Gaffney/Polley/Jackson group
 
Does Nadav Henefeld have any remaining eligibility?

Hawkins, Jackson, Akok. They need to play more (Akok, Hawk) or better as the case may be. Some people here two months ago weren't sure if Martin would start. :eek: Sanogo also needs to be good Sanogo. Can't have Adama playing like he just fell out of bed. He needs to hit the boards hard and convert his shots at a high rate.
 
One scary thing for me is how passively Akok has played. He's been a ghost 75% of the time he's been on the court.
 
Psolo12 said:
One scary thing for me is how passively Akok has played. He's been a ghost 75% of the time he's been on the court.
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Maybe he has just been unsure of what his role is now that he is a substitute. I would expect him to start or play considerable minutes unless there is something wrong with him that we aren't hearing about. This may be just the opportunity to restore his confidence since Tyrese is going to miss 2-4 games. Let's go Akok and get this bunch fired up.

To think he can be replaced by any of those 3 at the top I just cannot see except for some shooting.
Hope to also see some board crashing by Springs.

If we don't get the bench involved now heaven help us when the Big East wars start.
 
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husky429 said:
Hawkins and Andre need to step up. Big opportunity for both of them.
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And Whaley and Akok. I none of them is a perfect replacement for what all that Martin brings, but each of them has skills that benefit the team. Especially for Hawkins and AA I would tell them to expect a short leash because we’re going to cycle them in and out of the game. Don’t worry about who starts, don’t worry about getting pulled, just play with high energy.
 
superjohn said:
Grambling, Bonnies on neutral court, at West Virginia, home against Providence, at Marquette, at Xavier...

Tyrese is as tough as it gets and wants to play but it seems like they most likely won't have him for these games. In Tyrese they lose a tremendous amount of physicality, perimeter defense and offense, rebounding, and a superior athlete on the break. How do they mitigate the damage of this loss?
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How do we know he will be out for all those games? I was under the impression he would be back for Providence
 
More cowbell.
will ferrell cowbell GIF
 
Psolo12 said:
One scary thing for me is how passively Akok has played. He's been a ghost 75% of the time he's been on the court.
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It’s the achilles injury. This is as good as he is going to get. He is a shell of his former self.
 
martin is the second worst guy we could have lost, the first being cole. the next guy is a distant 3rd
 
bendm said:
martin is the second worst guy we could have lost, the first being cole. the next guy is a distant 3rd
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This isn’t true. Sanogo would be a bigger loss, he is our half court offense, and the space he takes up down low would be impossible to replace. Martin is the third worst, because we have positional depth where he plays. Still a big loss though because his toughness is the identity to which we play D and crash the boards.
 
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UcannUconn said:
This isn’t true. Sanogo would be a bigger loss, he is our half court offense, and the space he takes up down low would be impossible to replace. Martin is the third worst, because we have positional depth where he plays. Still a big loss though because his toughness is the identity to which we play D and crash the boards.
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disagree. we beat VCU w/ sanogo laying an egg on offense. i'd put whaley 3rd and sanogo 4th. hurley said whaley is our most important player which i disagree with, it's cole. but martin might be our best all around player in terms of offense and defense. his weaknesses don't hurt us as much as sanogo's.
 
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auror said:
Nothing is ideal. Jackson fits his role the most on offense (doesn't necessarily need the ball, not a willing shooter, attacks glass well) and defense (can guard both big wings and perimeter wings). But Jackson was already getting starter minutes, which means Gaffney, Polley, Hawkins, or some combination needs to play more on the wing.
  • Hawkins is lacking strength and doesn't hit the boards, so to contribute on offense needs the ball or plays run for him or kick outs.
  • Polley is slow footed on defense and streaky shooting on offense and also doesn't hit the boards.
  • Gaffney had trouble staying in front of his man last game and has the same concerns as Hawkins on offense.
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Hawkins is a better rebounder and defensive player already over Polley as a Freshman. There is a reason why he stayed in the game for a long stretch of the second half and it wasn't his scoring. No doubt Hawkins handle is suspect and he needs to get a full head of stream to make a drive but he can hang in the air and shoot the ball.
 
3rdbass said:
Hawkins is a better rebounder and defensive player already over Polley as a Freshman. There is a reason why he stayed in the game for a long stretch of the second half and it wasn't his scoring. No doubt Hawkins handle is suspect and he needs to get a full head of stream to make a drive but he can hang in the air and shoot the ball.
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I was comparing Hawkins' rebounding propensity to Martin's, not Polley's, and specifically on the offensive end. He's not going to add that dimension like Martin does. Polley for this year does have a higher offensive rebound rate than Hawkins, though, for whatever that is worth (but to your point Hawkins is higher than Polley's as a freshman).
 
UCLJ0211 said:
Hopefully it’s more on the 2 week side of 2-4 weeks and he doesn’t have to miss the conference games. Probably not knowing how these injuries are. Sigh…
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Per the Cleveland Clinic, regarding TM's "avulsion" fracture:

How long does it take to recover from avulsion fractures?​

You might need to wear a cast or splint for a few weeks. Fractures usually take about three to 12 weeks to heal completely.
 
Watchdog said:
Per the Cleveland Clinic, regarding TM's "avulsion" fracture:

How long does it take to recover from avulsion fractures?​

You might need to wear a cast or splint for a few weeks. Fractures usually take about three to 12 weeks to heal completely.
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Yeah figured as much. Was trying to be optimistic.
 
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