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How to guard Jaedon leedee

OceanDoggie said:
If their gameplan does turnout to be Ledee stretching the court, I'm sure Hurley will have Karaban play him man and have Clingan sit in drop coverage. We can't allow one guy to entirely dictate our defensive scheme.
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Counterpoint: if their strategy to beat us is to have LeDee take 10 threes, let them do it. He tied his season high for threes last night by making 2. I’m more than okay letting him shoot semi-open threes all night if it means he’s not in the paint
 
REB1094 said:
Counterpoint: if their strategy to beat us is to have LeDee take 10 threes, let them do it. He tied his season high for threes last night by making 2. I’m more than okay letting him shoot semi-open threes all night if it means he’s not in the paint
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But that's not a counterpoint; you're saying half of what I said. Put Karaban in his face and let him think he's Rip Hamilton. Clingan will patrol the paint in the Drop and when Ledee drives past Karaban, Clingan will get his 5 blocked shots.
 
OceanDoggie said:
If their gameplan does turnout to be Ledee stretching the court, I'm sure Hurley will have Karaban play him man and have Clingan sit in drop coverage. We can't allow one guy to entirely dictate our defensive scheme.
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That's not really how defense works? If Clingan isn't guarding Ledee, who is he guarding? Their 6'6 PF? Why would be do that?

I'm not sure you understand what drop coverage is. It isn't a one man zone the whole possession... it's part of man defense. Drop coverage is a PnR coverage.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
I think the answer for Buie, defensively, was a lot more straightforward (put Castle or Diarra on him) than the answer for LeDee.
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I disagree. Buie faced double and triple coverage at times. When Ledee finds out how hard it is to impact the game when the rhythm is baseline to baseline, San Diego st will start sitting him and running small.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I think the answer for Buie, defensively, was a lot more straightforward (put Castle or Diarra on him) than the answer for LeDee.
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I think the answer for Ledee is just as easy when Clingan is in the game. It’s more complicated when Samson is in for sure, but at the same time, they’re such a mediocre offensive team outside of Ledee (to put it nicely) that Hurley can afford to divert some extra attention.
 
husky429 said:
That's not really how defense works? If Clingan isn't guarding Ledee, who is he guarding?

Drop coverage is a PnR coverage. SDSU doesn't really even use that many PnRs IIRC.
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You're getting hung up on all their guards. None of them shoot above 35% beyond the arch. Why can't they defend the Mover-Blocker action by Clingan sitting within the key and back peddle on the slashers? You can also switch assignments real time, which we do well.
 
SDSU has to guard our motion offense and actions. Ledee needs to be on the floor for them (and out of foul trouble) to have any kind of chance to even hang with us. The change of pace styles of Donovan and Samson are going to put a lot of pressure on him on the defensive side of the ball. When we're running actions through them at the top of the key- Good luck defending the rim with our cutters/shot-makers.
 
husky429 said:
I'm not sure you understand what drop coverage is. It isn't a one man zone the whole possession... it's part of man defense. Drop coverage is a PnR coverage.
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SDST runs a Mover-Blocker motion offense where their blocker sets the screen. Doesn't have to be a PnR.
 
Ledee draws more fouls than anyone other than Edey and Clingan foul trouble is our only weakness, but i'm not worried about playing elite defensive teams that struggle to score.

SDSU will be a good warmup for ISU (hopefully)

Kenpom Adjusted D:
1- ISU
9- SDSU

Kenpom Adjusted O:
49- ISU
53- SDSU
 
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Ledee and 3 point shooting is the least of UConn's concerns. He is in his 5th year of college hoops and didn't make his 1st 3 pointer until this year. He has made a total of 19 in his college career.

This game comes down to the glass half empty/half full view. Do we worry more about how UConn matches up with a small SD St. lineup, or do we get excited about how SD St will have difficulty matching up with Clingan, Karaban, and taller guards. I believe that the key is Newton, Castle, Spencer and Diarra disrupting the guards from SD St. and not letting them get into their offense. Of course, keeping Clingan out of foul trouble is probably the biggest factor.

Trammell and Butler at 5'10 and 6'2 will be on Newton & Spencer. Waters and Parrish are both 6'6 and will have Castle and Karaban duties. Ledee at a generous 6'9 will be on 7'2 Clingan. Pick your poison here for the focus of the offense. UConn can go with whatever is working/whoever is hot.
 
I live in San Diego and have watched pretty much every SDSU game all year. Ledee is a beast. Strong and athletic. He can hit the mid range jumper, too. The rest of the team is athletic, but their shooting usually leaves much to be desired. Like any team, they can get hot, like they did against Yale, but I don't see them doing it two games in a row. Their defense is sticky, but we are bigger and better at pretty much every position. Upsets can happen, of course (see SDSU vs #1 seed Alabama last year), but if we played them 10x and play to our capabilities, we would win at least 9 of them. Just hoping Thursday game isn't the 1x for them! :)
 
WhereistheDove? said:
The idea of a quick double against Ledee in certain situations (like when Samson is in) is not the piece of this that some of us found to be a wild take. It was the statement that we have no one that can match up physically with him 1-on-1.
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Bigger than Karaban, quicker than clingan. So again, what’s wrong with asking the question

He ain’t great, but what is completely absurd is the ridiculous overreaction guffawing to a simple question

Simple answer

They handed Eric dixon just fine
 
jorge34 said:
Bigger than Karaban, quicker than clingan. So again, what’s wrong with asking the question

He ain’t great, but what is completely absurd is the ridiculous overreaction guffawing to a simple question

Simple answer

They handed Eric dixon just fine
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Eric Dixon and Ledee are wildly different players. Dixon’s game is perimeter-oriented. Ledee’s game is more like Sanogo last year. He wants to go get to the basket and bang down low but he’ll take a couple of threes a game if left wide open.

Again, no one thinks it’s absurd to discuss how UConn is going to defend Ledee. Some of us think it’s a wild take to make the statement that “we don’t have a physical match up 1-1 for him”.
 
OceanDoggie said:
You're getting hung up on all their guards. None of them shoot above 35% beyond the arch. Why can't they defend the Mover-Blocker action by Clingan sitting within the key and back peddle on the slashers? You can also switch assignments real time, which we do well.
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1) The player Clingan would guard in this nightmare scenario does shoot over 35% from 3. It's a good thing we don't grade homework anymore. It took me a 5 second Google search to learn that. Disappointing effort. Do you think I'm not going to look?

2) But, please, let me get this straight. What you're suggesting is:
  • Clingan guards 6'5"-6'6" 210lb Reese Dixon-Waters.
  • Karaban guards the freakishly athletic 6'9 240lb Ledee instead of guarding his natural position.
  • Clingan parks himself in the paint to block shots in the help-side and leaves his man (a >35% 3-point shooter) open.
  • Clingan closes out and defends the drive on a back peddle when his man catches the ball.
What you're describing is putting Alex and Donovan in exactly the WORST matchups for them. It makes less than 0 sense.

Alex is terrible at guarding big, strong athletes who punish you at the rim. That's exactly what Ledee is--a bigger, stronger version of Hopkins or Dixon (who we had Clingan guard, btw). Clingan hasn't had a primary matchup of someone under 6'8 his entire collegiate career. I'm guessing that's for a reason. If you haven't noticed, asking a 7'2 behemoth to backpeddle and guard a slasher off the dribble 1v1 doesn't usually go very well. Why again wouldn't we want him defending their center and helping to block shots if they slash to the rim?
 
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jorge34 said:
Bigger than Karaban, quicker than clingan. So again, what’s wrong with asking the question

He ain’t great, but what is completely absurd is the ridiculous overreaction guffawing to a simple question

Simple answer

They handed Eric dixon just fine
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On the Brightside, Ledee is not a better a shooter or ball handlers than Oso Ighodaro. His ferocity driving to the glass would be my only concern. I wouldn't want Clingan to have to walkout beyond the 3 point line only to have Ledee run behind a block and driv to the glass.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
Eric Dixon and Ledee are wildly different players. Dixon’s game is perimeter-oriented. Ledee’s game is more like Sanogo last year. He wants to go get to the basket and bang down low but he’ll take a couple of threes a game if left wide open.

Again, no one thinks it’s absurd to discuss how UConn is going to defend Ledee. Some of us think it’s a wild take to make the statement that “we don’t have a physical match up 1-1 for him”.
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And again

There isn’t a perfect matchup. Hence, the question

Thank god the coach potatoes are not game planning when the discussions of physically matching up with Ledee absolutely will be a focus

Don’t think “pfft we are Uconn and have clingan” will be uttered…
Ever
 
Have Karaban on him on the defensive side, with strategic double teams--let him get his.
Have Clingan go at him hard on the offensive side to pick up fouls.
 
husky429 said:
1) The player Clingan would guard in this nightmare scenario does shoot over 35% from 3. It's a good thing we don't grade homework anymore. It took me a 5 second Google search to learn that. Disappointing effort. Do you think I'm not going to look?

2) But, please, let me get this straight. What you're suggesting is:
  • Clingan guards 6'5"-6'6" 210lb Reese Dixon-Waters.
  • Karaban guards the freakishly athletic 6'9 240lb Ledee instead of guarding his natural position.
  • Clingan parks himself in the paint to block shots in the help-side and leaves his man (a >35% 3-point shooter) open.
  • Clingan closes out and defends the drive on a back peddle when his man catches the ball.
What you're describing is putting Alex and Donovan in exactly the WORST matchups for them. It makes less than 0 sense.

Alex is terrible at guarding big, strong athletes who punish you at the rim. That's exactly what Ledee is--a bigger, stronger version of Hopkins or Dixon (who we had Clingan guard, btw). Clingan hasn't had a primary matchup of someone under 6'8 his entire collegiate career. I'm guessing that's for a reason. If you haven't noticed, asking a 7'2 behemoth to backpeddle and guard a slasher off the dribble 1v1 doesn't usually go very well. Why again wouldn't we want him defending their center and helping to block shots if they slash to the rim?
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This is mostly in your head and I'll leave it at.
 
jorge34 said:
And again

There isn’t a perfect matchup. Hence, the question

Thank god the coach potatoes are not game planning when the discussions of physically matching up with Ledee absolutely will be a focus

Don’t think “pfft we are Uconn and have clingan” will be uttered…
Ever
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We all know he's Irish, but seriously?
 
OceanDoggie said:
On the Brightside, Ledee is not a better a shooter or ball handlers than Oso Ighodaro. His ferocity driving to the glass would be my only concern. I wouldn't want Clingan to have to walkout beyond the 3 point line only to have Ledee run behind a block and driv to the glass.
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He can try to drive at Clingan all he wants. He is about 5-6 inches short and 30 pounds lighter. Good luck to him lol
 
aburks41 said:
He can try to drive at Clingan all he wants. He is about 5-6 inches short and 30 pounds lighter. Good luck to him lol
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Unfortunately, this is a scenario where speed prevails more often than not. I believe Clingan can recover well, which I mentioned in a previous post, but Ledee will look to run past him. If he can't his other option is shoulder in the chest to try and attract a foul.
 
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jorge34 said:
And again

There isn’t a perfect matchup. Hence, the question

Thank god the coach potatoes are not game planning when the discussions of physically matching up with Ledee absolutely will be a focus

Don’t think “pfft we are Uconn and have clingan” will be uttered…
Ever
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That’s not the discussion or point of contention. You’re just moving the goalposts here.
 
OceanDoggie said:
Unfortunately, this is a scenario where speed prevails more often than not. I believe Clingan can recover well, which I mentioned in a previous post, but Ledee will look to run past him. If he can't his other option is shoulder in the chest to try and attract a foul.
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Well that's why Clingan just needs to go straight up, which he's been doing lately. He has every size advantage against LeDee, he just needs to trust that it will be enough to make LeDee alter his shot
 
OceanDoggie said:
On the Brightside, Ledee is not a better a shooter or ball handlers than Oso Ighodaro. His ferocity driving to the glass would be my only concern. I wouldn't want Clingan to have to walkout beyond the 3 point line only to have Ledee run behind a block and driv to the glass.
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LOL he is absolutely a better shooter than Ighodaro.
 
Here’s the deal let him shoot the 3 switch if needed but most importantly don’t get off your feet DC and SJ. He’s 6’7 best he can’t shoot over a 7’2 DC with his hands straight up. Hands up, keep your feet moving at all times like yesterday and go get the miss. He doesn’t need to get 8 blocks to impact that side of the ball. He needs to stay in the game or “bulletproof” about the window.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
That was against a finesse team with no interior presence where he could react against guards driving the lane. He's not going to have that luxury against SDSU and LeDee.

The other factor that we have to consider is that SDSU has seen us already, unlike all of the other teams we've blitzed in the last two Tournaments. Yes, we had some turnover and Spencer/Castle/Diarra/Johnson are not the same as Hawkins/Jackson/Sanogo/Calcaterra/Alleyne, but they are not going to be intimidated by us and LeDee in particular was one of the guys who kept them in the game in the second half.

To be clear, they are a limited offensive team who shouldn't shoot the way they did against Yale, but they're also not going to be mentally out of the game 10 minutes in the way many of our opponents have been.
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We had a 39 point lead against a Big 10 team while we could not hit the ocean from 3. And I am supposed to worry about Ledee?
 
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