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How many 4* recruits does Hurley need to not lose to USF?

Jaker said:
What is concerning, Cincy and USF have first year coaches who took over and out Coached Hurley, with probably less talent.
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I painfully watched both games. Where did you see more talent on UConn than those teams? Both those teams had top two players on the court that day.
 
We are close in talent level to Cinci and more talented than USF. I agree we have nobody as good and as composed as Cumberland. But these weren’t tough losses that came down to the wire. These were blowouts. That’s why it’s so unacceptable.

our halfcourt offense is a huge issue. In 2020 we seem like we are the only team that is playing without good spacing. Alterique and any other ball handler has no room on their drives. These type of issues are fixable but need to be corrected fast or else the season is over and the morale will plummet on the team.

hurley has been bringing a picture of the aac trophy with the team everywhere they go. That’s not for 2022. That’s for this season. He and the players expected to do very well in conference play.
 
For what it’s worth and I know not much but the AAC coaches know talent levels of conference teams I assume better than us and both teams picked to finish ahead of UConn in conference.
 
I'm not a BB X&O expert - but it seems to me that when Carlton is bad we are in trouble. And yesterday he was bad and then Hurley sat him. Carlton is super inconsistent. I'm not sure I can lay that all on Hurley.
 
UChusky916 said:
Hurley wasn't the one missing layups and easy shots within 3 feet while getting bullied defensively.

Players didn't show up. Hurley should have had them better prepared but at the end of the day he can't make shots for them.

The team is disjointed between the old guard with a history of losing and a talented but inexperienced group of young guys. Hurley can't find the right combinations of players, especially with how inconsistent their play has been.

We desperately need a new era of Hurley's guys. Thankfully, that looks to be the case next year.
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Second straight road game where the team forgot to get off the bus.
 
No excuses for anybody. This team has the talent and should be winning. Cincy came out and pressed full court denying everywhere putting out the energy . We could have and should have done the same thing. We didn't match it anywhere. Same with SF. Its on the coach to not let this happen. Other teams have weaknesses to be exploited. Why didn't we?
Time outs and substitution should be used for motivation. We have 10 bodies. Use them.
 
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If a team like Cincinnati comes out in pressure defense, UConn should turn it into a layup line at the hoop.
 
bendm said:
a snarky question gets a snarky answer. he didnt ask about top 200 players, but if he did i would have said we have 9 (not whaley) and they have 1 (mayan kiir)
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Perhaps the same Mayan Kiir that left the USF program earlier this year? Yetna is injured too. USF is trash. We lost to trash.
 
The team needs more toughness, period.
 
No one wants to be patient here. Next year and the year after is the real measuring stick. Hurley’s kids have been good. I would prefer simply playing youth. These are exhibitions to me.
 
The difference between the 40th best team in the country and the 100th best team in the country is really small. It is, on average, five to ten plays a game. The talent level for these teams is really close, because the superstars are mostly on the Top 20 teams, and the talentless teams are getting their doors blown off. These teams are all capable of pulling the big upset, or getting picked off by the #200 team.

This is where coaching really matters. It is the difference between 21-11 and the NCAA's, and 17-15 and no tournament.
 
LIuconn said:
on our roster I’m more concerned with the (lack of) height/weight on these upperclassmen. The cavalry is coming but for now we get outmuscled at every position
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This!!! Forget about the height. Current squad can’t match up with physically stronger teams. Carlton can’t match up physically and as a result goes in the tank. The guards can’t get clean penetration because they get bodied up and end up taking altered shots at the rim. Teams they struggle with the most are the ones with physically stronger players.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
If a team like Cincinnati comes out in pressure defense, UConn should turn it into a layup line at the hoop.
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The guy you're saying is the key to the team cannot make a layup to save his life.

Its kind of a problem.
 
We have too many players that aren’t mentally or physically tough enough.

This has been apparent for over 3 years.

But apparently that’s Hurley’s fault.

Hurley has been mediocre, but the players have been terribly inconsistent. That’s the one consistent thing about them. Feels like this team hasn’t strung together more than 2-3 good games in a row since 2014.
 
Huskymagic said:
He's being sarcastic, don't take the thread too seriously. However, I have a feeling that if Brian Gregory was coaching UCONN that game and Hurley USF, we would have won the game.

Hurley has a deer in headlights look when the going gets tough. These past 2 games reminded me of what Duke did to his URI team in the NCAA tournament.

It starts with the point guard of the team. You need a steady and tough point guard to be a good team. We don't have that. It trickles down to everyone else.

PS: There is an obsession with weight training on this board with every player expected to look like Emeka. Kemba, Bazz, Boat, Lamb, Roscoe, Daniels, Giffey, Rip, Ray, Amida, Daniel Hamilton, etc were not some workout warriors. They had toughness physical and mental, a motor, a drive, a competitiveness, and of course talent.

This is not simply a problem of more beef on the court.
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The state of Connecticut has invested $3 million/yr in this deer in headlights guy. Did he get 5 years?
 
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Martin said:
The state of Connecticut has invested $3 million/yr in this deer in headlights guy. Did he get 5 years?
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The good news is that Hurley has better people around him who are invested in him doing well. The biggest problem we have besides talent is mental toughness. We get blitzed by a team and no one is there to stop the run until its too late.

The sport is mental as much as it is physical. Coaching hasn't been good either no sugarcoating that. After a performance like the one we had at Cinci, to come back the next game and lay another egg against USF is Olliesque. This mentality of the fanbase to keep waiting 2 to 3 years for UCONN to be competitive will lead us down the path to becoming Georgetown.

PS: We need to be more competitive mentally first and foremost. Hurley and the staff need to work with the team psychologically more than than anything. Really good coaches know this.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Trying to get a benchmark.
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Your thinking is antiquated. You are still operating under the belief coaches are responsible for preparation, production, and results. That is too old school. In the modern age, responsibility for these thing rests solely with upperclassmen on a team.

See, if the team looks bad or loses, the blame goes to older players and thus Kevin Ollie. If they win or look good, credit belongs to Hurley and the freshmen. We call this new rule Ollie's Razor. Hopefully this clarifies things for you.
 
UCfor3 said:
Rankings only mean something if you play up to them. It doesn't guarantee anything. This board is far too rankings obsessed. Outside of our freshman, who are freshman after all, Gilbert was ranked high but was derailed by injuries. Who else is ranked high? Sid? Good athlete but skinny and lacks skill. He was overranked, most likely cuz his athletic ability carried the day in high school but doesn't alone in college. Perhaps there is a work ethic issue thats been alluded to at times. Everyone else is 125+ and the futher away from the top you get, the more hit or miss a prospect gets in general. Players are one dimensional, lacking an important skill, lacking something physically, athletically, etc...Some guys develop, some guys don't and coaching isn't always the reason why.
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I can see that it isn't ALWAYS the reason but it should be a BIG PART OF THE REASON MOST OF THE TIME (or why pay the millions to the coach and why would a kid want to come here). What are the chance a very good coach would after one year and 13 games put out a team with these kids and have them play like they did? For each player give me the glad Hurley and the other coaches got him to do/improve/stopdoing xxxxxxx.
Let's get back on this after the Tulane game, 1st year coach with a rag tag team playing on our turf! Let's see what our coach can get these "one dimensional, lacking an important skill, lacking something physically, athletically, etc." UConn kids to do, I'm hoping for the best but seems like mostly out of the coaches hands as the players are what they are.
 
Husky68 said:
I can see that it isn't ALWAYS the reason but it should be a BIG PART OF THE REASON MOST OF THE TIME (or why pay the millions to the coach and why would a kid want to come here). What are the chance a very good coach would after one year and 13 games put out a team with these kids and have them play like they did? For each player give me the glad Hurley and the other coaches got him to do/improve/stopdoing xxxxxxx.
Let's get back on this after the Tulane game, 1st year coach with a rag tag team playing on our turf! Let's see what our coach can get these "one dimensional, lacking an important skill, lacking something physically, athletically, etc." UConn kids to do, I'm hoping for the best but seems like mostly out of the coaches hands as the players are what they are.
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My whole post was about rankings in the past don't equal a talented team in the present but whatever. Of course coaching is part of the reason. I said it isn't always the reason. It is possible for a bad team to have a decent coach. It's called lack of experienced talent. People talk about how deficient our players are and then turn around and blame the coach. Could Hurley do a better job. Yes. We have looked awful and some of that is on him. He has to own that. I just happen to think he doesn't have a lot to work with and I am willing to be patient. What is the alternative? You want to give him his walking papers after a year and change? We would be a bigger laughing stock than we are now. We clearly disagree about some things. Let's just leave it at that.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Do you remember the time UConn beat Shaq with Rod Sellers at center? I do.

Stop blaming the players.
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I didn't blame the players. Stop creating strawman.

I asked how much of the blame do they shoulder? Is it none? Because while that is nonsensical, it seems to be your argument.

Do you remember losing to Wagner and Northeastern to open the season? I do.
 
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Boy we can move the needle when it comes to Hurley .. oh wait til he get his guys, give him another year, they not strong enough or mentally ready (low iqs) .. we need to stop it, basketball is basketball, a coach puts his team in position to win, don’t matter what guys he has, what set are we running ? All I see is Gilbert dribbling top of the key ... just tired of seeing the same thing each night ... no way we should lose to south Florida
 
After a few weeks to ponder these questions my truth is this: Hurley is not at this point a good coach and we do not have even AAC level talent aside from Bouk, Akok. And I’ll give Hurley a few seasons to grow into the role because it seems like he actually might be good at spotting players.

Thinking back to all these 4,5* “stud” recruits since 2013 how many do you recall thinking they would be special after seeing them play actual games? How many of them do you recall thinking they were seriously flawed and overrated right out of the gate? Until this year I cannot think of one that I would put in the former category.

There is a reason why our post Calhoun recruits are not making it to the league. Positionless, for sure. In that they cannot play any position well.

We have a few freshmen looking like they actually might be a threat on the court and we all went out of our minds for a few games. That is not an indication they will be All Americans. That is an indictment on what our recruiting had become.
 
KodiacKemba said:
Boy we can move the goalpost when it comes to Hurley .. oh wait til he get his guys, give him another year, they not strong enough or mentally ready (low iqs) .. we need to stop it, basketball is basketball, a coach puts his team in position to win, don’t matter what guys he has, what set are we running ? All I see is Gilbert dribbling top of the key ... just tired of seeing the same thing each night ... no way we should lose to south Florida
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KodiacKemba said:
Boy we can move the goalpost when it comes to Hurley .. oh wait til he get his guys, give him another year, they not strong enough or mentally ready (low iqs) .. we need to stop it, basketball is basketball, a coach puts his team in position to win, don’t matter what guys he has, what set are we running ? All I see is Gilbert dribbling top of the key ... just tired of seeing the same thing each night ... no way we should lose to south Florida
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