- Aug 27, 2011
Trying to get a benchmark.
Rankings only mean something if you play up to them. It doesn't guarantee anything. This board is far too rankings obsessed. Outside of our freshman, who are freshman after all, Gilbert was ranked high but was derailed by injuries. Who else is ranked high? Sid? Good athlete but skinny and lacks skill. He was overranked, most likely cuz his athletic ability carried the day in high school but doesn't alone in college. Perhaps there is a work ethic issue thats been alluded to at times. Everyone else is 125+ and the futher away from the top you get, the more hit or miss a prospect gets in general. Players are one dimensional, lacking an important skill, lacking something physically, athletically, etc...Some guys develop, some guys don't and coaching isn't always the reason why.I think you guys a missing the point. No team in AAC (except Memphis this year) has any history of getting any 4 star players and yet Hurley needs them to put a legit team on the floor. How many 4 stars did Tulane's 1st year coach (with mostly new players) need to beat Cincinnati?
He's being sarcastic, don't take the thread too seriously. However, I have a feeling that if Brian Gregory was coaching UCONN that game and Hurley USF, we would have won the game.I do not think there is a benchmark for how many 4*+ recruits one needs to be successful. High school rankings are exactly that and do not always correlate to higher level success.
I have seen plenty of sub 4* recruits all across the country out perform their ranking and plenty high rankings not perform up to that ranking. Once you get to the college level it has more to do with coaching and how much effort these guys are putting in to their craft.
Winning teams execute and are mentally tough. We have not been or done that for quite some time. I am not ready to write Hurley off, but he is concerning me with the statements he has been making in press conferences. He keeps saying that in order to win we have to get rid of the losing attitude, yet the excuses for wins and losses he has made perpetuates that losing attitude.
I know it was a different era, but some of the old school guys barely lifted at all. Rod Sellers was not choosing between bodybuilding and basketball when he played at UConn.PS: There is an obsession with weight training on this board with every player expected to look like Emeka. Kemba, Bazz, Boat, Lamb, Roscoe, Daniels, Giffey, Rip, Ray, Amida, Daniel Hamilton, etc were not some workout warriors. They had toughness physical and mental, a motor, a drive, a competitiveness, and of course talent.
This is not simply a problem of more beef on the court.
Which is why I brought up the point. People here claim Christian Vital is small when he is clearly physically bigger than some of our best guards(Kemba, Bazz, Boat) have beenI know it was a different era, but some of the old school guys barely lifted at all. Rod Sellers was not choosing between bodybuilding and basketball when he played at UConn.
Sort of. What he recruited was guys he thought could play in a positionless system. Hurley is also recruiting guys to play in a positionless system. We are getting thumped by teams with fairly standard lineups. If you don’t want that muscular PF who scores inside because he can’t be a stretch 4, them somebody else will take him and your skinny stretch 4 will need to handle him down low. I’m not sure that Hurley or Ollie would ever recruit Jeff Adrien because he can’t play outside.It’s not just how many individual 4* recruits you have. It’s the sum of total players that makes a team. Ollie seemed to recruit the same type of player for every position. Athletic, skinny, low bb iq, and poor shooters. It’s not just getting good individual recruits but having a vision on how they will play together and fill the gaps for each others short coming as well as highlight each other’s strengths.
based on the 247 composite we have five 4* players in the rotation. however, the three freshmen are the only guys that arguably deserve their 4* rank at this point. wilson was comically overrated and gilbert's career was ruined by injury as anyone can see. so the answer is that it takes more than three 4* freshmen to beat USF.Trying to get a benchmark.