How hard is it to teach a good Big to develop a post move?

[BUConn10]

this post is not necessary bc we already have a big named steve enoch who has excellent post moves. a real husky fan would now that

This guy may be Chief.

 

[Ukonnfan]

We may be surprised by Enoch this coming fall. Of course, then again maybe not. He has the potential. There's just a couple of bad habits he needs to break. I did like that short jumper he had been developing, and he did show some sort of reckless agressiveness in short spurts.
If he works his butt off, I mean really hard every day, we will like him in the game. Most depends on his maturity level though. Then threads like this will be mute maybe.

 

[filthy beast]

The value of a low post offensive talent is obvious. Many good points made here. I for one, put a higher priority on an effective rebounder. I don't care what position he plays, I don't care if he's 5'11" or 6'11". UConn (or any B Ball power) needs strong rebounding. We haven't had it in years. UConn's offense can come from anywhere. The post doesn't need to dominate, only contribute.

 

[Chief00]

I take no joy in being right about this. I do think George taugh the Bigs some post moves including how to present oneself for the pass after getting position and sealing. He also incorporated them into the offense without forcing the issue and being predictable.
As stated previously, I like Coach Miller as a Basketball coach, is he the right fit for Bigs Coach? I will let the player improvement evidence answer that question.
Quite frankly, I also believe that brute strength is part of the game in the paint. Guys such as Emeka, Hilton and even Jeff (yes he got even stronger while in the program) got much bigger and stronger while at UConn and you could see that advantage applied in the game. I just don't see evidence of that in the last few years. It's great to sit down and discuss PhD level theories on Strength and Conditioning - but getting stronger ultimately is fairly simple and apparent and it ain't been happening. Yes, gymnasts need flexibility and a wirey type strength that Coach Travis loves to teach and opine about but if your core body strength is so weak that you can't even hold position nothing else matters. You need that raw power in the post you don't need to be a Rhodes Scholar or need to be able to run a Marathon.
I see lots of upside with Enoch. From what I have observed he is a hard worker too - if he doesn't develop into being a very good player things really need to be re-examined.

 

[nomar]

Chief's Law: As any Boneyard thread grows in length, the chances of Chief appearing and mentioning Coach Miller, Bunkey, First Night and/or gymnastics approaches 100%.

 

[mauconnfan]

I don't think you can equate working harder to get bigger with all of our bigs. There's no doubt in my mind AB has worked his butt off to get stronger, he has a totally different body than he had as a freshman because he worked to do so. Having said that his frame obviously isn't made to be huge or thick ever and his legs are the same, skinny. S & C coach can't do much about that and Miller can't be his brain too. Give him his due for taking his body where he has thus far, now he needs to somehow do the same with his game. Kentan is so similar too although his frame is a bit thicker so maybe he's not working as hard as AB?

 

[Chief00]

I don't think you can equate working harder to get bigger with all of our bigs. There's no doubt in my mind AB has worked his butt off to get stronger, he has a totally different body than he had as a freshman because he worked to do so. Having said that his frame obviously isn't made to be huge or thick ever and his legs are the same, skinny. S & C coach can't do much about that and Miller can't be his brain too. Give him his due for taking his body where he has thus far, now he needs to somehow do the same with his game. Kentan is so similar too although his frame is a bit thicker so maybe he's not working as hard as AB?

Mauconnfan - you set the bar so low for these dudes - they need to be challenged - I understand about body types - but come on you should not be pushed around like a feather after 3 years in the program against most players. Occasionally, you go against a man child and you get tossed around but against most guys you should hold your own. and yes there are a lot of S &C coaches that can make that happen.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Yes, gymnasts need flexibility and a wirey type strength

The gymnastics thing is not relevant, it's another psychotic point you harp on, but is "wiry" really the word that comes to mind when you think of gymnasts? Because if so you either don't know what gymnastics is or you don't know what the word "wiry" means.

 

[tcf15]

Chief's Law: As any Boneyard thread grows in length, the chances of Chief appearing and mentioning Coach Miller, Bunkey, First Night and/or gymnastics approaches 100%.

 

[mauconnfan]

Mauconnfan - you set the bar so low for these dudes - they need to be challenged - I understand about body types - but come on you should not be pushed around like a feather after 3 years in the program against most players. Occasionally, you go against a man child and you get tossed around but against most guys you should hold your own. and yes there are a lot of S &C coaches that can make that happen.

AB is big enough now to hold his own minus the strength coach. Problem is he's not smart enough. No bar set here Chief, just reality.

 

[Chief00]

AB is big enough now to hold his own minus the strength coach. Problem is he's not smart enough. No bar set here Chief, just reality.

Quite frankly, I will grant you the BB IQ point, but I have seen Amida numerous times last season have position but then just get moved out of the way.

What the Big Ern poster misses if you have played basketball in the paint you need the core body and lower body strength. We use to have a term - that dude was a load - someone that you can't move and can move you. The gymnast type strength training doesn't address that issue in all due respect.

One suggestion is to use blocking sleds but focus on free weights, push ups and sit ups.

 

[mauconnfan]

Quite frankly, I will grant you the BB IQ point, but I have seen Amida numerous times last season have position but then just get moved out of the way.

What the Big Ern poster misses if you have played basketball in the paint you need the core body and lower body strength. We use to have a term - that dude was a load - someone that you can't move and can move you. The gymnast type strength training doesn't address that issue in all due respect.

One suggestion is to use blocking sleds but focus on free weights, push ups and sit ups.

Yeah there's no doubt he can get shoved out of the way but he also #1 isn't always reading for the shot so his base isn't stable and strong and #2 his base is too narrow he doesn't have his feet spread enough to strengthen his base to keep his ground. Let's be honest here technique and hitting first are big keys to boxing out, it's not all strength, although it helps close the deal. If you can see this guys getting ready to shoot, or if its at the end of a shot clock for instance and you jam your butt into the guy behind you and move him off his area you have a better chance to win in your space. He doesn't have technique and (IQ) he's not reading shots. What's crazy if Facey does a great job of that on the offensive end but he's the same as AB on the defensive end.

Both guys could use more size but both have capable bodies to get the job done at this point it's beating their opponents to the spot both in body and mind more than anything.