How big a role do think Vital will play next season?
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Again. No one said vital was better than brown. No one. Brown was a small anedote about how abused the standard of the guy taking the last shot is automatically a better player is.
I’ll possibly give u that vital is better than Austrie but to say he’s better than dyson and shoddy is beyond comical.
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You could’ve swapped out Ben Gordon for brown and been just as ridiculous. Because neither was being compared to vital. At all.
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Find me a better year Dyson had than Vital had last year. You have 4 years to choose from.
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Ben Gordon has better stats than Vital. You aren't following along with anything.
Are you not seeing any of Dave's million posts?
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Why are you ignoring my post? I’m still waiting for you to find a year Dyson had that was better than Vitals last year. Were you unable to?
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CV is a hard playing kid who gives a lot of intangibles along with his toughness. Rebounding for a guard his size is outstanding, yet at the same time there are going to be a few head scratching plays along the way like when he dribbles into the trees and gets stripped or throws it away for no apparent reason. It goes with his package so take it or leave it. He can be red hot from long range and go ice cold but I really think we need his fighter mentality. That is his biggest asset, that along with his apparent fearlessness out there. Looking for a big year from him. For all of their talent Bouknight and Gaffney will have a long way to go to be as effective as CV who is battle hardened.
Listen. CV wud not be better than dyson even if dyson was out all night at club NV and had a noon big east game the next day. With that being said, I’m glad CV game back. He made a nice jump from the previous two years last year. He ll be an important 3rd or 4th piece this year. Wish him nothing but the best.
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You couldn’t find a year Dyson had a better season than Vitals last season either???
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Did you watch him play? Nobody made as many dumb plays as he did, even last year. Going one on a defender on a break instead of passing to a wide open teammate. There were loads of examples.
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Gaffney and Bouknight will be very good players for us but anyone who thinks they will start over CV at any point this season will probably also be the same guy complaining our guys are too skinny. Those dudes are kids and CV is a man. Those bodies are not ready for big roles in cbb.
Still waiting for the explanation for how he manages to be a very efficient scorer while taking dumb shots all the time
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I do see CV as our starting 2 guard to begin the season, but as Gaffney and Bouknight get adjusted and gain confidence, they may begin to impact the game talent-wise in ways that might cause Hurley to make changes. They are definitely going to have to earn it, and who knows what sort of jump Brendan Adams may make. I'm cool though with senior CV starting and getting major minutes. He is a leader with his competitive fire and effort. Each year CV has gotten better and last season he was very solid for us. I expect he'll be even better this year.
Couldn’t have said it any better myself! I totally agree!
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He was somewhat efficient last year, not "very". Before that he was terribly inefficient. He makes some shots that are bad ones. Still a bad choice. Sometimes he gets blocked or stripped or loses the ball when he should have passed. It wouldn't show up in shooting percentages, it wasn't a shot. But it was a wasted scoring opportunity.
I think he reduced his dumb shots to about Dyson level last year. Higher than I like, but I can live with it. It's the decisions not necessarily involving shots that are the problem. He needs to be more comfortable being a facilitator. I think he'll take another step in that direction this year. He has to overcome two years of bad habits. Normally I value experience more than most people, but in his case it means unlearning a lot.
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52-41-82 splits for a guard with the amount of shots he takes is not “somewhat efficient”. It’s very efficient. I agree that the two years prior he wasn’t efficient. I also agree he need some to be a better facilitator. With how good he is from three he should be able the pump fake and drive or pump fake draw the defense, and find an open player. I don’t think we’ll ever see him run point, but he was never expected to do that.
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Who is the best player?
Who is the first best option on this team??
Who are the 1st, 2nd or maybe 3rd option before. Please don’t name freshmen who haven’t played a minute of college ball yet. Also, please don’t say Gilbert. Good player who, through bad luck, just hasn’t been able to put it together.
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That's what she said.
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Better at what? I mean Austrie brought to the table exactly what was needed for a team who lost players. His ability to play within the team concept and himself, under control at all times was required at that point. CV wouldn't have been able to take that role no way, no how. Now Craig trying to be the guy to score, rebound, drive and play tough as nails for these past couple of years probably couldn't provide what CV has done for us. They both had/have their positive gifts for their teams but just aren't a fair comparison. CV is a better "basketball player" overall no doubt but in situations Craig would be the better choice.
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I have to disagree. Even before losing Dysons mediocre shooting that team needed more outside shot making. It was way too reliant on price having a good night. Especially when Robinson was the 3. Ann’s price delivered for the most part. But he struggled that night and with no one else’s pick up the slack it cost us.
Michigan st barely even acknowledged Austrie’s existence on the court. Having a good spot up shooter like vital on that team almost certainly would’ve sent them to the ncg rather than losing to a vastly inferior team.
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I can't believe how polarizing this thread has been. Interesting stuff. Here my $0.02.
Vital has always reminded me of Brian Fair. I was a little young during Fair's career but I remember him being a big time spark plug off the bench. Clearly, Vital plays a lot more than Fair did and CV does a lot more on defense and on the glass. The part of the game Christian needs to work on most are his drives to the rim. He dribbled the ball off himself out of bounds OFTEN when driving last yr. He also has the type of mentality that would get a team going like Donny Marshall had.
I really hope this team makes the NCAA Tourney this yr. He deserves a shot at it. On a good team CV is a starter/6th man IMO. He's a catch and shoot guy who can get hot and turn a game around. What makes him a starter is his defense and his rebounding. This cant be overlooked.
I don't think he's our best player, because of his shot creation limitations, but he may be our most important player, if that makes sense.
Vital has always reminded me of Brian Fair. I was a little young during Fair's career but I remember him being a big time spark plug off the bench. Clearly, Vital plays a lot more than Fair did and CV does a lot more on defense and on the glass. The part of the game Christian needs to work on most are his drives to the rim. He dribbled the ball off himself out of bounds OFTEN when driving last yr. He also has the type of mentality that would get a team going like Donny Marshall had.
I really hope this team makes the NCAA Tourney this yr. He deserves a shot at it. On a good team CV is a starter/6th man IMO. He's a catch and shoot guy who can get hot and turn a game around. What makes him a starter is his defense and his rebounding. This cant be overlooked.
I don't think he's our best player, because of his shot creation limitations, but he may be our most important player, if that makes sense.
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From the New Haven Register:
"Now, Hurley is labeling Alterique Gilbert as “the leader of the program.” No doubt, Gilbert is a Hurley-type player. He’s a natural-born winner and leader, never afraid to take the big shot. He’s got a little Kemba in him.
Calling Gilbert the face of the program could be considered a bit of a jab at Adams. It also may be a poke at Vital, a junior who by experience and production would be the logical successor to that title after Adams got hurt.
Instead, after starting 45 straight games, Vital has started the last three on the bench. After playing at least 31 minutes in 14 straight games, Vital has played 26, 24 and 23 in the last three.
It’s clear that aspects of Vital’s game and/or personality irk Hurley. The coach was incensed at Vital’s defense — or lack thereof — at the end of the Wichita State game, allowing Samajae Haynes-Jones to hit a buzzer-beating (though, to be fair, tough) game-winnin shot. He’s frustrated by Vital’s ill-advised 3-pointers, his 1-on-4 drives to the basket, his defensive breakdowns and mental mistakes. Look no further than Sunday, when Vital inexplicably fouled Collins with 28.9 seconds left on the opposite end of the floor, two seconds after UConn had taken a three-point lead. It was an effort play, but not a very smart one."
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Disagree all you want but CV would've had trouble finding minutes on that team. But that's why we have opinions. You are so far off on this one it's almost laughable to me so I will not even try to get into it.
I like CV and I know you are in love with his game but these are 2 different worlds we speak of. Big East, Michigan State in the FF, Dyson and you want to compare?
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I never said vital was the leader of the program.
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Dan Hurley's perspective:
"Asked if he felt Vital responded well to his benching, Hurley said: “Let’s just keep this to a basketball perspective. He competes his tail off. Those defensive rebounds, getting fouled, really just spurred on the team with those effort plays. He’s got to fight the urge to try to do too much off the dribble. If he relies on his 3-point shot and puts value on being a great defender and a good defensive rebounder, he’s a really valuable, good player on the court. When he starts trying to do too much off the dribble, things start to go sideways and he loses value as a player. But I loved the way the whole group competed today.” "
When he doesn't try to do too much he's "good" and "valuable". Not sure Dan thinks Vital is the best player on this team, or the first option. I can find these quotes all day. Vital's points mostly come from other people breaking down defenders and making passes to him. Now he hits those shots, which is fantastic. But he's not a guy who can create offense for the team.
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