How big a role do think Vital will play next season?

[JB75]

Vital is not better than dyson or rashad. Please stop

 

[kemba]

He improved last year. But he didn't get all the way there. Just because his shooting percentages were pretty good doesn't mean he made good decisions often enough. He was much better, but he still didn't pass in several key situations where he should have and made a number of bone-headed plays.

So how much better can he be at the mental side of the game? How much can he bring himself to defer to others, make a few more assists and perhaps not be one of our leading scorers on many nights?

Yet somehow Craig Austrie who was a 35% shooter on mostly loaded teams and people are saying he was a better smarter player? Every player makes boneheaded plays sometimes. This is clearly a case of selective memory. He developed a repuation of having poor shot selection, so now if he takes 15 shots and 2 of them are bad shots some people only remember the 2

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I liked Austrie but he wasn't good. He didn't make anything happen.

Look at the players he was surrounded by. It wasn't his job to "make anything happen."

I think even Chief would call BS on the idea that Vital is better than Dyson. That's a Skip Bayless level take.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I'm guessing this is your attempt at condescension. Your take is awful. I like Vital, he works hard, I don't "trash" the kid, but he's not better than Jerome Dyson, who put up all those numbers against teams marginally better than Tulane and USF. Jerome drove me crazy at times but he brought it in literally dozens of games in which Vital wouldn't have sniffed the court.

Tell me you think he's better than Rashad Anderson was too. He certainly averages more points, rebounds and assists for his career than Rashad did.

 

[Stainmaster]

He's not even as good as Austrie.

Wrong, he surpassed Austrie quite some time ago.

 

[the Q]

This board is so dumb sometimes it's embarrassing. We've got people saying they would rather Vital shooting open threes than Napier, people comparing Napier and Vital's stats, people saying Vital was our best player last year, people saying Vital is better than Dyson...

Stop bringing up Napier. Youre the only one bringing up Napier and he has literally nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[Stainmaster]

Do any of you ever stop whining about how much worse the current team is than the mid-2000s teams? You should, because UConn basketball will forever continue to make you miserable if you don't.

 

[superjohn]

I'm guessing this is your attempt at condescension. Your take is awful. I like Vital, he works hard, I don't "trash" the kid, but he's not better than Jerome Dyson, who put up all those numbers against teams marginally better than Tulane and USF. Jerome drove me crazy at times but he brought it in literally dozens of games in which Vital wouldn't have sniffed the court.

Tell me you think he's better than Rashad Anderson was too. He certainly averages more points, rebounds and assists for his career than Rashad did.

I'm assuming this Dave guy and the other fools who think Vital is better than Dyson, Rashad, and Denham because he has better stats has to be a teenager. Anyone who is old enough to have watched and still thinks Vital is better than them should pick another sport to follow or just stop watching sports.

No knock on Vital, we are all fans of how he competes but this is beyond stupid.

 

[Stainmaster]

Stop bringing up Napier. Youre the only one bringing up Napier and he has literally nothing to do with the discussion.

A player has to be as good as Shabazz for @superjohn and others not to think they're garbage.

 

[Stainmaster]

No knock on Vital, we are all fans of how he competes

You guys certainly aren't. You endlessly complain how much worse he is than the players we had last decade. You blame him personally for the team's losing record.

I get that you are distressed at how far the program has fallen, but stop taking it out on kids that aren't the problem.

 

[superjohn]

Stop bringing up Napier. Youre the only one bringing up Napier and he has literally nothing to do with the discussion.

I brought up Napier's stats because this stat nerd is anointing Vital better than other players based off his stats. He said he would rather have Vital taking open threes than Napier, since Vital had a higher percentage on 2's I gather he would rather Vital taking 2's than Napier as well. We had others say it's closer than you may think between Napier and Vital.

 

[superjohn]

You guys certainly aren't. You endlessly complain how much worse he is than the players we had last decade. You blame him personally for the team's losing record.

I get that you are distressed at how far the program has fallen, but stop taking it out on kids that aren't the problem.

When people make dumb statements they're going to be called out, that's how message boards work. Pretending Vital is better than these players doesn't make you a bigger Vital fan than others, it makes you an idiot.

 

[superjohn]

Blatant proof? Please explain?

This ought a be good.

 

[the Q]

I brought up Napier's stats because this stat nerd is anointing Vital better than other players based off his stats. He said he would rather have Vital taking open threes than Napier, since Vital had a higher percentage on 2's I gather he would rather Vital taking 2's than Napier as well. We had others say it's closer than you may think between Napier and Vital.

I’d rather have kyle korver shooting threes than Russell Westbrook.

Now tell me how your untrained eyes make me wrong.

 

[superjohn]

I’d rather have kyle korver shooting threes than Russell Westbrook.

Now tell me how your untrained eyes make me wrong.

What??? So would everyone. One is a great shooter, the other sucks at shooting.

 

[superjohn]

This is amazing how you keep digging. Yep, Vital is better than Dyson, Rashad, and Denham.

 

[the Q]

This is amazing how you keep digging. Yep, Vital is better than Dyson, Rashad, and Denham.

Who mentioned denham.

You’re strawmanning again.

Who are you adding next to your made up list for comparison?

Okafor?

 

[kemba]

Who mentioned denham.

You’re strawmanning again.

Who are you adding next to your made up list for comparison?

Okafor?

Right. And with Anderson and Dyson and Vital, its hard to compare them because they are all very different players, but they are in the same class of good role players, but you're in some trouble if they are your best or 2nd best players