Hot Stove: Maryland to B1G?

[RMoore1999]

Ohio State board is all over this too. Some think it is a bunch of baloney. Others wondering who the other team is. Mostly people think Rutgers, although one really smart guy suggested UConn. Unanimous view that they do not want Louisville, Cincy or Pitt.

If true, it's a win for UConn no matter how you slice it. I doubt that the B1G comes that far east and then doesn't add another eastern team, which would be RU or UConn. If RU, then UConn is a lock for the ACC to replace Maryland. We simply can't lose in this scenario.

Exactly. The only scenario in which we lose is relegation to Division I-AA, a/k/a, the New Big East.

 

[Dann]

all we need is 1 moving east coast slot

 

[baggerbob]

The big picked Nebraska a school with a great athletic tradition, they won't take Maryland a school that hasn't even been relevant in their own conference. The whole world would laugh at the Big 10, Big 12 gets West Virginia, Notre Dame moves to ACC and Big responds with Maryland. That would really sit well with Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn St, Wisconsin, Nebraska bring in an ACC afterthought.

 

[Revrat]

The big picked Nebraska a school with a great athletic tradition, they won't take Maryland a school that hasn't even been relevant in their own conference. The whole world would laugh at the Big 10, Big 12 gets West Virginia, Notre Dame moves to ACC and Big responds with Maryland. That would really sit well with Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn St, Wisconsin, Nebraska bring in an ACC afterthought.

Please, The BIG has Illionois,Indiana,Minnesota,Iowa,Northwestern and Purdue. It's not about being stocked with powerhouses. For Every "Nebraska" they have a school that is a Maryland or lower.

 

[junglehusky]

The whole world can laugh at the Big Ten, but they can take solace in their swimming pool full of money.

 

[CL82]

Ohio State board is all over this too. Some think it is a bunch of baloney. Others wondering who the other team is. Mostly people think Rutgers, although one really smart guy suggested UConn. Unanimous view that they do not want Louisville, Cincy or Pitt.

If true, it's a win for UConn no matter how you slice it. I doubt that the B1G comes that far east and then doesn't add another eastern team, which would be RU or UConn. If RU, then UConn is a lock for the ACC to replace Maryland. We simply can't lose in this scenario.

No we're doomed, doomed I say, DOOOOMED.

 

[Dann]

pretty pretty please b10 commish...

neb/wisc/minn/msu/mich/iowa/pur/ill/nw
unc/uva/md/ruty/uconn/psu/tosu/nd/ind

 

[junglehusky]

pretty pretty please b10 commish...

neb/wisc/minn/msu/mich/iowa/pur/ill/nw
unc/uva/md/ruty/uconn/psu/tosu/nd/ind

Let ND rot in the ACC. And though I'd love playing UNC every year in bball, let's assume they're the least likely to leave the ACC, so that leaves us with an even 16 (I think).

 

[Jericho]

The B1G absolutely has to expand to areas that have more "stable" populations in order to keep up with the Joneses. Might sound crazy, but if they took in Texas, Oklahoma, Rutgers and UConn, we'd be part of a college football paradise.

Every single state in the Big 10 is growing except Michigan

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The big makes moves based on their TV network, not on field performance. Adding DC adds money.

 

[pj]

The big makes moves based on their TV network, not on field performance. Adding DC adds money.

Yes. So does adding New Jersey and Connecticut.

They took Nebraska for football brand, there aren't many football brands available on the market, but the northeast markets are up for grabs.

B1G: Md / Rutgers / UConn / Kansas please!

 

[Dann]

if the big went to 18 with unc/uva/md/ruty/uconn/nd these tv mks would all be locks in the b10Network

1)ny
3)chi
4)phili
7)boston
9)dc
11)det
15)min-stp
17)clev
21)stl
23)pitt
24)char
25)indy
26)balt
27)rd
30)hart-nh

thats 15 of the top 30...

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

if the big went to 18 with unc/uva/md/ruty/uconn/nd these tv mks would all be locks in the b10Network

1)ny
3)chi
4)phili
7)boston
9)dc
11)det
15)min-stp
17)clev
21)stl
23)pitt
24)char
25)indy
26)balt
27)rd
30)hart-nh

thats 15 of the top 30...

They won't, and we're not going to the B1G.

 

[Dann]

They won't, and we're not going to the B1G.

why not? and why not?

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

why not? and why not?

18 is an odd number, they'd go to 16 if anything, no need to go up to 18 and have odd-numbered divisions. Our football program simply is just not good enough to get in there. Yes, we have the market share stuff and all of that, but plain and simple, we're still too new, we have virtually no track record in football, we have not shown consistent fan support (read: no one cares to watch us on TV - mostly what B1G cares about), our stadium is too small and there's not enough demand to expand it, we're not a realistic candidate for the B1G. I'd love to be wrong, but it's simply not the case. If we're going anywhere, it's likely the ACC.

 

[TuxedoYoda]

Just to throw my hat into the ring......my Austin connection in the University of Texas Athletics department has heard jack about anyone leaving the ACC but, since Texas was blindsided by the ND move, this really means nothing.

I am getting all kinds of people emailing me Maryland to the ACC rumors, and the scenarios which develop because of this move. Hell, Scott Van Pelt from ESPN (Maryland alum), even jumped in the middle of a twitter conversation I was having with some other folks to give his perspective on what Maryland brings to the Big 10. LOTS of buzz around this.....

I communicate with a lot of connected alums across the country, guys who run prominent message boards and other people with insider connections like the one I have in Austin. People still fell that, ultimately, the big 4 conferences will go to 16 teams.

The most likely additions seem to be:
Big 10 - Maryland, UVA, Rutgers, UConn
SEC - North Carolina (I'm told the SEC has been working behind the scenes for year on UNC) and VaTech
Big 12 - FSU, Miami, NC State, Ga Tech, some combo of Louisville/Pitt/Syracuse/BC for the final 2
Pac 12 - BYU (yes, concessions are made), Boise State and who knows......

 

[CAHUSKY]

Yes, we have the market share

If we had the market share we would be in a conference. UCONN is in/near big markets but doesn't pull much of a share at all.

 

[huskymedic]

MD would need a partner to give them an even # of teams. rutty? I read today taht the breakdown of the playoff $$ includes a clause that the more teams you have in conference, the greater % of the $$ you get. If true, does it make sense to expand? split the conference TV money but get a bigger piece of the national TV pool.

Not if PSU gets tossed

Or voluntarily moves to ACC?? Craziness abounds:

A move to the ACC could bring all Penn Staters together

http://blog.pennlive.com/pennstatef...ng.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

If we had the market share we would be in a conference. UCONN is in/near big markets but doesn't pull much of a share at all.

that's what i meant to say, we're in/near big markets but in football don't command them at all.

 

[pj]

that's what i meant to say, we're in/near big markets but in football don't command them at all.

We have a share of these markets but more important we'll grow the markets for other B1G teams.With Michigan / Ohio State / Penn State etc visiting CT / NY / NJ / MD, their northeast fan bases will grow, and the B1G network will get a lot more cable networks to pick it up.

 

[Adios]

Every single state in the Big 10 is growing except Michigan

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-02-15-illinois-census_N.htm

It can be said almost every state is growing just because of procreation. The future of the economy here will be based on natural resources. Those areas are or will become the fastest growing areas.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

There's also now rumblings of PSU to the ACC.

 

[HuskyHawk]

18 is an odd number, they'd go to 16 if anything, no need to go up to 18 and have odd-numbered divisions. Our football program simply is just not good enough to get in there. Yes, we have the market share stuff and all of that, but plain and simple, we're still too new, we have virtually no track record in football, we have not shown consistent fan support (read: no one cares to watch us on TV - mostly what B1G cares about), our stadium is too small and there's not enough demand to expand it, we're not a realistic candidate for the B1G. I'd love to be wrong, but it's simply not the case. If we're going anywhere, it's likely the ACC.

Football is a negative in this regard. But, we have the most valuable womens hoops team, one that has elevated those around it (ND in particular), and which would be a hit on the BTN. Our men's hoops are the equal of any in the B1G. Our hockey program would be a positive. Our soccer programs, mostly mens, would be a positive. Indiana could use a rival. In short, while we are sub par at football, from a BTN standpoint we are ideal in that we excel in the sports that it broadcasts, and we provide the BTN with access to NYC. I don't think it will happen, but if it does, that's going to be a big part of the reason. Arguably UConn is more valuable to the B1G than it is to any other league.

 

[specialisthusky]

http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resources/local-tv-market-sizes-dma.html

The addition of UCONN, UVA, RU and UMD would add the (1) NYC, (4) Philly, (8) DC, (27) Baltimore, (30) Hartford,(44) Norfolk,(57) Richmond and (60) Roanoke markets to the BTN. According to 2011 that would mean an additional 16,483,020 television sets.

The current BIG has the (3) Chicago,(11) Detroit, (15) Minneapolis/STP, (18) Cleveland,(23) Pitt, (26) Indy, (32) Columbus, (34) Milwaukee,(35) Cinci, (39) Grand Rapis, (43) Harrisburg,(54) Wilkes-Scranton, (69) Green Bay,(72) Des Moine, (85) Madison, and (90) Cedar Rapids markets. The total house hold viewers for these markets is 16,136,990.

If my math is correct the B1G would double there tv market by adding the 4 teams Tuxedo Yoda mentioned.

If you factor in Uconn’s impact in the Springfield region and possibly Boston and Providence you are talking a lot more tvs.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resources/local-tv-market-sizes-dma.html

The addition of UCONN, UVA, RU and UMD would add the (1) NYC, (4) Philly, (8) DC, (27) Baltimore, (30) Hartford,(44) Norfolk,(57) Richmond and (60) Roanoke markets to the BTN. According to 2011 that would mean an additional 16,483,020 television sets.

The current BIG has the (3) Chicago,(11) Detroit, (15) Minneapolis/STP, (18) Cleveland,(23) Pitt, (26) Indy, (32) Columbus, (34) Milwaukee,(35) Cinci, (39) Grand Rapis, (43) Harrisburg,(54) Wilkes-Scranton, (69) Green Bay,(72) Des Moine, (85) Madison, and (90) Cedar Rapids markets. The total house hold viewers for these markets is 16,136,990.

If my math is correct the B1G would double there tv market by adding the 4 teams Tuxedo Yoda mentioned.

If you factor in Uconn’s impact in the Springfield region and possibly Boston and Providence you are talking a lot more tvs.

The problem here is that's where we're located, it doesn't necessarily mean those TVs are going to tune in. The thing that's been holding us back is we haven't proven we can get those tv sets to tune in to our football games.

 

[specialisthusky]

The problem here is that's where we're located, it doesn't necessarily mean those TVs are going to tune in. The thing that's been holding us back is we haven't proven we can get those tv sets to tune in to our football games.

I don't disagree. I'm only showing the potential remains there. A large number of Maryland doesn't tune in for umd either remember.

 

[Dann]

-adding the 6 i talk about double the big10 tv wise which is unreal to think
-its the best bball conf ever and with that many top tier and middle level programs almost every game is then a tv worthy game which means $$ in the winter tier 2 and 3 wise its easy to round robin 17 with a cross game for 18. also with chi/ny/dc all in grabs you can reall do something special with the tney for bball.
-the add of those 6 schools give u enough puck league wise, a great baseball league out of nowhere, a great soccer league etc also fwiw not that this plays any role...
-in fball it allows 2 9 team divisions or 8 games in division with a cross for #9 if the league wants. thats a lot of good inventory. u still have 3 or 4 ooc games per team which is plenty. have the conf ship game be a home team thing with rankings.
-create a big friday or monday or something for fball and bball with espn. u have enough inventory to do soething exclusive which will =$$

the ppl running the b10 know whats up. get it done fellas.

 

[husky210]

The problem here is that's where we're located, it doesn't necessarily mean those TVs are going to tune in. The thing that's been holding us back is we haven't proven we can get those tv sets to tune in to our football games.

True. However, I think uconn vs tosu, uconn vs mich or uconn vs psu would get people to tune in a lot more than uconn vs insert nnbe team here.

 

[Dann]

what are the top 10 watched teams in nyc?
nd
ruty-uconn-cuse
mich-psu-tosu
who else?

point is if u put all these big publics and nd in the same conf and build something and have all these teams playing local games, you have something nyc has nevber seen before and thats how u turn the city into a b10 city over night.

 

[specialisthusky]

what are the top 10 watched teams in nyc?
nd
ruty-uconn-cuse
mich-psu-tosu
who else?

point is if u put all these big publics and nd in the same conf and build something and have all these teams playing local games, you have something nyc has nevber seen before and thats how u turn the city into a b10 city over night.

dook and unc are in that mix as well