Higher Than Boeheim

[OkaForPrez]

Regarding Boeheim's track record in the NCAA Tournament, I actually don't think he's underachieved all that much recently (this season notwithstanding). In 2012 they lost in the elite eight, to Ohio State, without perhaps their most important player - I have a hard time calling that a colossal failure. Obviously in 2013 they didn't underachieve. In 2010 they lost in the sweet sixteen to the eventual runner up without a key player, and in 2011 they simply weren't all that good. You want underachieving in the tournament, look at Coach K. I've never seen a guy lose to a fifteen and fourteen seed within a three year span and take less grief for it.

I also think there are a lot of misconceptions regarding the zone defense. He's been incredibly successful with it, and I'm slightly baffled that people still question it. Syracuse's collapse this season had absolutely nothing to do with the zone and everything to do with their players suddenly forgetting how to play basketball. Syracuse's defense last year was as dominant a unit as there was in the country. Generally speaking, when Syracuse loses in the tournament, it isn't because of the zone.

In the last five years, Boeheim is 149-32 with three sweet sixteens, two elite eights, and one final four. He's won two conference titles in that span and turned in a more than respectable 11-5 tournament record.

Tom Izzo, on the other hand, is 135-50 with four sweet sixteens, two elite eights, and one final four. He has tied for two conference titles and also gone 11-5 in the tournament.

Shorten the sample to three years, and the results swing in Boeheim's favor - Jim is 92-19 over that time frame with a conference title, two elite eights, a final four, and an 8-3 tournament record. Izzo is 85-26 with a split conference title, three sweet sixteens, one elite eight, zero final fours, and a 7-3 tournament record.

They are very even, but one guy is viewed in a better light than the other. To me, it is a coin toss.

 

[selles]

Syracuse's collapse this season had absolutely nothing to do with the zone and everything to do with their players suddenly forgetting how to play basketball.

Say what?

 

[PcketknfNiels]

Worthless post

It's like he expected the Disney owning ESPN line to be some huge revelatory thing. Not sure how he figures that hurt JB+ given the WWL's noted affinity for the ACC and Cuse being one of the bigger feeder schools into ESPN.

 

[Pudge]

I was just reading the sad articles on the England loss to Uruguay in the English papers. They were then commenting on the German viewership of the match & noted a high percentage of viewers. Called the Germans their traditional rivals.

See this us & Syracuse. Everyone knows the Germans CAN win the thing. The English play well & have tradition; but, they don't have a prayer at holding the trophy. Rivals? Sure. Peers? Nope. We are just tougher & better in the later rounds.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

Okay that's nice but the reason most of us will (begrudgingly) be okay with Cal being up there, if not #1, is because he wins with his recruiting. Recruiting is Miller's one trick. Would you rather have Bo Ryan coach your team, who actually got to the FF (and consistently wins in the B1G i.e. not Pac 12) with meh-decent talent, or Sean Miller who hasn't actually won anything, even with allegedly talented players?

Doesn't Miller have 2 E8s in the past 4 years backed up by some pretty damn good regular season results?

 

[Rocktheworld]

Doesn't Miller have 2 E8s in the past 4 years backed up by some pretty damn good regular season results?

And that puts him in the top 10 coaches of say the past 3-5 years, on which this whole top 50 thing is mostly based? imo there are plenty of coaches who have done more with less in that span.

 

[Rocktheworld]

It's like he expected the Disney owning ESPN line to be some huge revelatory thing. Not sure how he figures that hurt JB+ given the WWL's noted affinity for the ACC and Cuse being one of the bigger feeder schools into ESPN.

It's utterly worthless because he's bouncing on JB's c-ck using legacy stats to argue against something that is based on performance over the last few years, during which he certainly has not been a top 10 coach, let alone top 3.

Some people ITT have a severe fundamental misunderstanding of what this whole top 50 is based on.

 

[7774]

It's utterly worthless because he's bouncing on JB's c-ck using legacy stats to argue against something that is based on performance over the last few years, during which he certainly has not been a top 10 coach, let alone top 3.

Some people ITT have a severe fundamental misunderstanding of what this whole top 50 is based on.

It would be difficult for you to be a bigger idiot in this thread.

 

[donyell34]

Good coach nothing more . But that man can pick with the best of them.

 

[alfonse]

This is great, love the post above about England and Germany. If only we had been in two wars with Syracuse in the early 20th century to cement the hatred of each other