Here’s a bombshell

[bendm]

Dear Andy: Which ACC schools do Big Ten/SEC covet? And who's to blame for grant of rights?

Don't expect college football to use the concepts of promotion and relegation, or underperformers like Illinois and Vandy to be uninvited.

theathletic.com

which acc teams do the B1G/FOX and SEC/ESPN covet?
B1G/FOX: ND, UNC, UVA, Miami, Gtech
SEC/ESPN: those listed above minus Gtech, plus Clemson, FSU, and maybe VT

if they each took 4 that would leave Cuse, BC, Pitt, Lville, Duke, Wake, and NC St as leftovers

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I've been of the belief for about a dozen years now that UVA and UNC will end up in the BIG & Va Tech and NC St will end up in the SEC.

This may not be until a few years after other schools are added by both conferences and the end game may well be another dozen years away.

 

[bendm]

SOURCES: Florida State exploring leaving ACC for new conference | Sports Illustrated Florida State Seminoles News, Analysis and More

 

[CL82]

Either the conference gets poached from all 3 directions (Big 12, Big 10, SEC) so much so that Big East COULD absorb basketball centric schools or ACC backfills as you noted. I can't see anyone leaving Big 12 for ACC at this point given power dynamics currently unfolding despite WVU and Cincy historically making sense like UConn.

The big east isn’t absorbing anyone from a major conferences until they actually have a media deal that makes a vaguely reasonable amount of money.

 

[upstater]

Because ESPN/SEC is in an arms race against FOX/B1G and if you dont sign up the most valuable assets to 100M per year deals, the other side will.

But this is the ACCs money, not ESPNs. The question is what do the ACC teams get?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

But this is the ACCs money, not ESPNs. The question is what do the ACC teams get?

Yes.

Additionally, the ACC as constituted (with or without ND) is still an asset that ESPN places a good amount of value in. Unless ESPN is extremely confident that they can gain more value from a larger SEC and a far lesser ACC than what they currently have the schools that want to move from the ACC will need to attempt to do so without any help (and likely some resistance) from ESPN.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Dear Andy: Which ACC schools do Big Ten/SEC covet? And who's to blame for grant of rights?

Don't expect college football to use the concepts of promotion and relegation, or underperformers like Illinois and Vandy to be uninvited.

theathletic.com

which acc teams do the B1G/FOX and SEC/ESPN covet?
B1G/FOX: ND, UNC, UVA, Miami, Gtech
SEC/ESPN: those listed above minus Gtech, plus Clemson, FSU, and maybe VT

if they each took 4 that would leave Cuse, BC, Pitt, Lville, Duke, Wake, and NC St as leftovers

Hooking up with those 7 would make a good basketball league and a football league we could potentially compete in. I’d be intrigued.

 

[bendm]

Hooking up with those 7 would make a good basketball league and a football league we could potentially compete in. I’d be intrigued.

those 7 plus UConn, memphis and temple and we're off to the races.

 

[Rico444]

those 7 plus UConn, memphis and temple and we're off to the races.

Please don't ever put me back in a conference with Memphis.

 

[navery12]

If the ACC's options are choices between Temple, USF, Memphis to fill up their league they might as well just pack up and go home. That league is not competing with the major conferences

 

[How Sway?!]

Dear Andy: Which ACC schools do Big Ten/SEC covet? And who's to blame for grant of rights?

Don't expect college football to use the concepts of promotion and relegation, or underperformers like Illinois and Vandy to be uninvited.

theathletic.com

which acc teams do the B1G/FOX and SEC/ESPN covet?
B1G/FOX: ND, UNC, UVA, Miami, Gtech
SEC/ESPN: those listed above minus Gtech, plus Clemson, FSU, and maybe VT

if they each took 4 that would leave Cuse, BC, Pitt, Lville, Duke, Wake, and NC St as leftovers

Would WV be interested in joining this league? They would get the Pitt rivalry back but not VT.

 

[uconndogs]

If the ACC's options are choices between Temple, USF, Memphis to fill up their league they might as well just pack up and go home. That league is not competing with the major conferences

I think it's just about settled and the SEC and BiG will be the major conferences. Whether some of the programs from the ACC can find there way into one of those conferences remains to be seen, but this is done. The SEC and BiG will command the big media contracts and they will use that to further separate themselves from the rest of college athletics.

 

[HuskyHawk]

If the ACC's options are choices between Temple, USF, Memphis to fill up their league they might as well just pack up and go home. That league is not competing with the major conferences

It won't be. The ACC is better positioned than the B12 or Pac, despite the gaslighting going on. Better contract, longer contract, better brand names.

 

[BIIIG]

ACC and Big East should make some sort of merger conference specifically for basketball purposes. Despite all the losses, all teams could remain relevant if the conference became

UConn
Villanova
Providence
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Duke
Pittsburgh
Georgetown
BC
St. Johns
Miami
Seton Hall

 

[CL82]

Please don't ever put me back in a conference with Memphis.

It could be worse, it could be Tulsa.

 

[Northbound]

There’s actually a conversation in Friar land about them going to the ACC. I’ve always been indifferent to the Friar Fans, but goodness that is full on delusional.

 

[upstater]

Yes.

Additionally, the ACC as constituted (with or without ND) is still an asset that ESPN places a good amount of value in. Unless ESPN is extremely confident that they can gain more value from a larger SEC and a far lesser ACC than what they currently have the schools that want to move from the ACC will need to attempt to do so without any help (and likely some resistance) from ESPN.

Indeed, but however you cut, this would mean the ESPN is subsidizing the SEC for a decade +.

(i.e. giving the even more money per team [on ESPN's ledgers] than what they've currently agreed to give them).

 

[Rico444]

It could be worse, it could be Tulsa.

Yeah that would suck, but that would only be if we were screwed and had to rejoin the AAC or whatever they're calling themselves at that point. The idea that we would go out and target Memphis to bring them into our current conference is just so gross to me. Let's dream bigger than that!

 

[bendm]

It won't be. The ACC is better positioned than the B12 or Pac, despite the gaslighting going on. Better contract, longer contract, better brand names.

The acc has a terrible contract from the perspective of the big brand schools like Clemson, fsu, Miami, UNC. The sec and B1G schools will soon be making 50 million more per year. If the ACC doesn’t agree to unequal sharing those schools are leaving as soon as they can

 

[upstater]

So, a reconstituted ACC would be...

Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, BC

That's 10 schools.

Explain to me why these schools would need to add more than 2 schools?

Candidates for those 2 spots in order: West Virginia, UConn, Kansas, Cincinnati, Villanova, UCF, USF.

Maybe they go to 4 adds. Who knows.

 

[upstater]

The acc has a terrible contract from the perspective of the big brand schools like Clemson, fsu, Miami, UNC. The sec and B1G schools will soon be making 50 million more per year. If the ACC doesn’t agree to unequal sharing those schools are leaving as soon as they can

He's already assuming the heavyweights of the ACC are gone.

The argument is that the ACC is still better without its top 4 schools.

I would say that's absolutely true.

 

[CL82]

Yeah that would suck, but that would only be if we were screwed and had to rejoin the AAC or whatever they're calling themselves at that point. The idea that we would go out and target Memphis to bring them into our current conference is just so gross to me. Let's dream bigger than that!

The Big East fan board nonsense about stealing away current P5 teams always strikes me as delusional. The big east fan board nonsense about stealing away teams in the American just strikes me as dumb.

 

[bendm]

If the ACC's options are choices between Temple, USF, Memphis to fill up their league they might as well just pack up and go home. That league is not competing with the major conferences

I’m as big of a BE fan as anyone but the BE/Indy combo is not competitive with the major conferences we make like 5 milly a year

 

[CL82]

So, a reconstituted ACC would be...

Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, BC

That's 10 schools.

Explain to me why these schools would need to add more than 2 schools?

Candidates for those 2 spots in order: West Virginia, UConn, Kansas, Cincinnati, Villanova, UCF, USF.

Maybe they go to 4 adds. Who knows.

You can take nova off that list since they aren’t a football school. Scratch off the Florida directionals because you’ve assumed that Miami will still be in the conference. I don’t see it being worthwhile for a big 12 team to move to the ACC, especially if the ACC has just been rated. In any event the ACC has avoided West Virginia like the plague.

Let’s see, who does that leave?

 

[bendm]

I would say that's absolutely true.

Yes that’s what I said

 

[HuskyHawk]

The acc has a terrible contract from the perspective of the big brand schools like Clemson, fsu, Miami, UNC. The sec and B1G schools will soon be making 50 million more per year. If the ACC doesn’t agree to unequal sharing those schools are leaving as soon as they can

Sure. That's what everyone says. But here's a counterpoint. The Pac deal is almost up, and is going to go down. The Big 12 deal is up in two years and it's going to go down. The SEC is an ESPN conference and ESPN isn't going to pay more for those 4 schools by adding them to the SEC. The B1G might like UVA and UNC, but they aren't worth the B1G payout either. Oregon and Washington would be better additions.

So who is ponying up for those four? The ACC will soon be the 3rd highest paid conference. I do think the ACC will add some kind of bonus structure based on football performance (not brand name). But in recent years, FSU wouldn't get anything from that. I expect the ACC to expand, not get poached.

 

[uconndennis]

There’s actually a conversation in Friar land about them going to the ACC. I’ve always been indifferent to the Friar Fans, but goodness that is full on delusional.

Always remember... Rutgers landed in the BIG 10 and will be getting like a billion/year in TV money soon... Anything and Everything is possible

 

[CL82]

Always remember... Rutgers landed in the BIG 10 and will be getting like a billion/year in TV money soon... Anything and Everything is possible

And yet, even with a full Big 10 share, they somehow are managing to lose $73 million a year. That’s impressive, even for Rutgers.

 

[HuskyHawk]

He's already assuming the heavyweights of the ACC are gone.

The argument is that the ACC is still better without its top 4 schools.

I would say that's absolutely true.

I don't think they are gone. I don't see anybody taking them, especially with the GOR. But it is still better.

 

[Storrs South]

So, a reconstituted ACC would be...

Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, BC

That's 10 schools.

Explain to me why these schools would need to add more than 2 schools?

Candidates for those 2 spots in order: West Virginia, UConn, Kansas, Cincinnati, Villanova, UCF, USF.

Maybe they go to 4 adds. Who knows.

Why did the Big 12 add 4 instead of 2 when they lost UT and OU that dropped them down to 8? Inventory. There can be some dilution but at the same time you need enough content to show of your premiere properties. For basketball, can't do a 20 game conference schedule with 10 schools, need at least 11 to pull it off. Gets that extra conference game for Duke and Cuse and Louisville (and UConn) for the network.

They probably regret it now with so many better schools out there than the AAC flotsam but nonetheless that's probably why they were so aggressive with additions.