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Herbst Stepping Down

whaler11 said:
Frame this in bronze.

So I happened to be poking around some college football stats this morning.

Can anyone name a coach who got as long an opportunity as Randy Edsall (200+ games as a head coach at a major program) and lost as often as Edsall has?

I’ll hang up and listen.

(Pro tip: It’s not a good look for the worst run program in college sports - but I know who you need to root against this year).
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Pasqualoni?
 
No one is irreplaceable but, depending on how you classify success in a job, finding the right person for your particular set of circumstances is the challenge.

If you're looking for a positive, upbeat, everything is wonderful (as long as my budget has all the dollars I requested) person, it's easy. Give them the money and watch them build new facilities, hire all sorts of new administrative staff (and maybe some faculty), and build the school's reputation.

But, if you're in a state that can't say no to anyone and spends money it doesn't have on programs for every special interest group that might help politicians get elected or stay in office, the pigeons may have already come home to roost.

It may be too late to build a world class reputation in fields of study and research where the job growth will outstrip those of today but if you hang on to old theories and try to be all things to all people your days are numbered.
 
whaler11 said:
Frame this in bronze.

So I happened to be poking around some college football stats this morning.

Can anyone name a coach who got as long an opportunity as Randy Edsall (200+ games as a head coach at a major program) and lost as often as Edsall has?

I’ll hang up and listen.

(Pro tip: It’s not a good look for the worst run program in college sports - but I know who you need to root against this year).
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Sigh - you're reaching here. Getting to start a I-A program from scratch, and clean up after PP/Diaco - it's not like he's had the 2 best hands here. Maryland isn't exactly Alabama, either.
 
Nostical said:
No offense to those pioneers but its a bit more challenging to run a university these days. Whether you want to admit it or not, Herbst outperformed them and did it at a time when the State was much more fiscally challenged.
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Jorgensen and Babbidge failed to develop connections with the business community and had no real private/alumni fundraising. This is the source of many of UConn's current problems. The earlier you start, the more you have.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
Jorgensen and Babbidge failed to develop connections with the business community and had no real private/alumni fundraising. This is the source of many of UConn's current problems. The earlier you start, the more you have.
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Really? Jorgensen got money from the legislature to build UConn`s physical plant. He had the best input to the State of any President, Herbst included. Babbidge was a Renissance man who often walked around campus talking to students about their experience at the University. He ate at our house there times while he was there, and hung around after to talk. He taught a Shakespeare course, if I remember correctly. Harry Hartley was the one that began using the massive funding from Uconn 2000. Herbst was none of these. And, just imagine, the Foundation helped fund her salary at least once. Spare me the tales of greatness by Susan Herbst.
 
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whaler11 said:
If it’s pouring when you wake up, you tell us it’s a perfect clear and sunny day.
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I guess that's the great divide. Some folks remain inside cursing the rain with a scowl. Others see the rain and walk through the door with a smile.
 
UConn66 said:
Jorgensen got money from the legislature to build UConn`s physical plant. Babbidge was a Renaissance man. Harry Hartley began using the massive funding from UConn 2000. Herbst was none of these. Spare me the tales of greatness by Susan Herbst.
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They are respected for sure but please, their administrations don't come close to the challenges facing Susan Herbst.
 
Nostical said:
I guess that's the great divide. Some folks remain inside cursing the rain with a scowl. Others see the rain and walk through the door with a smile.
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You missed the bucket you fall into:

Delusionally tells everyone to skip the umbrella. It’s not raining.

Let the countdown start: only about 420 days and cut and run Suz is gone and we can get back to the business of winning.
 
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whaler11 said:
Because when you get named President of a school that is known for literally one thing and they ask you what your favorite sport is you answer... lacrosse.
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She didn’t come here to make your football team great. She delegated that to Randy Edsall and David Benedict. She came here to improve academic standards and raise money. Unfortunately the two most important sources of that are the state government and the Uconn alumni. The government is incompetent and the alumni for the most part don’t care.
 
UConn66 said:
Really? Jorgensen got money from the legislature to build UConn`s physical plant. He had the best input to the State of any President, Herbst included. Babbidge was a Renissance man who often walked around campus talking to students about their experience at the University. He ate at our house there times while he was there, and hung around after to talk. He taught a Shakespeare course, if I remember correctly. Harry Hartley was the one that began using the massive funding from Uconn 2000. Herbst was none of these. And, just imagine, the Foundation helped fund her salary at least once. Spare me the tales of greatness by Susan Herbst.
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Both Jorgensen and Babbidge should have set up large scale private and alumni fundraising. Babbidge especially, coming from Yale, had to know that elite universities, whether private or public, had to have large endowments. It was Casteen, who later raised a lot of money at UVA, who really moved UConn forward on this important front.
 
whaler11 said:
Because when you get named President of a school that is known for literally one thing and they ask you what your favorite sport is you answer... lacrosse.
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Her favorite sport is whale watching.
 
Nostical said:
Her favorite sport is whale watching.
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Thankfully the nightmare will be over soon and we can not hear the duplicitous Suzie Lax platitudes about sports.
 
whaler11 said:
You missed the bucket you fall into:

Delusionally tells everyone to skip the umbrella. It’s not raining.

Let the countdown start: only about 420 days and cut and run Suz is gone and we can get back to the business of winning.
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You mean 420 days until Dannel Malloy is your next University President. It's no secret he aspires to lead a major university as his next gig. The only way he doesn't get this job is if somehow the Dems dont retain the governorship and in this state, despite everything, its still their seat to lose.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Any blue state right now that has no major natural resources (like oil, mining (metalic ores, potash, coal) agriculture, shipping, lumber) or even tourism to fall back on and is raising every category of taxes at the rate like Connecticut, can expect to be in the same trouble soon. New York and Illinois are fast working on that. Connecticuts great resource over the past 80 years was it's manufacturing, it's corporate hubs, and it's blue collar work force, but tax, tax and tax of all kinds destroyed that. Take a drive this weekend down rt 34 through Oxford, Seymour, Derby, over to Ansonia and Shelton and see all the empty warehouses and manufacturing plants. Even venerable Sikorsky Aircraft was about to leave until Governor "tax everybody and everything" Malloy realized it would be a political mistake for the Democrats to let them leave.
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I get your point here on the tax situation. You mention the Naugy Valley towns but you left out the other towns from Torrington down to Bridgeport. With out carrying on there is not a single area of CT that was not hurt by the loss of manufacturing.
No argument here, I just want to point out taxes are / were only part of the problem that generated the situation we are in. Two of the main reasons of our demise in industry were location and pollution. Many of our manufactures were attracted to the south for (tax abatement's) lower labor costs and not having to heat huge buildings. The anti pollution laws allowing us to breath and no longer be able to walk across our rivers came in the 70's. This had a very big cost on manufacturing just about anything. There are scrubbers for smoke and recycling for chemicals but it costs a bundle.
At what point does China want to go the clean route and level the field? Not sure but the time is coming as they have farmers protesting the smog is so bad they cannot get enough sun to grow their crops, school closures and folks in the cities wearing masks 24/7.
Again I get your point and hate the taxes but that is not the only reason for our manufacturing demise.

Nostical said:
I guess that's the great divide. Some folks remain inside cursing the rain with a scowl. Others see the rain and walk through the door with a smile.
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Nothing wrong with rain...No rain no beer...;)
 
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Nostical said:
No offense to those pioneers but its a bit more challenging to run a university these days. Whether you want to admit it or not, Herbst outperformed them and did it at a time when the State was much more fiscally challenged.
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What? Babbidge dealt with Vietnam and upheaval on campus, for God's sake! Uconn was "the cow college" before Jorgenson got the money to build, among other things, the Jungle, Towers, Humanities (Arjona), Social Sciences (across the street, Montieth?), (Torrey) Life Sciences, and parts of both West and South Campus dormitories. At the same time he welcomed many WW II and Korean War vets to be educated on campus. We've had great presidents over the years, thank God. Herbst is not one of them. Nor were her assistants to the assistants whom she surrouded herself with. By the way, her experience working at a big-time football school was going to help us realign, remember? How'd that work out?
 
husky8273 said:
unimpressive - the S&P 500 returned 128% from May 2011 - May 2018 w/ dividends w/o any additions
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Beating an index fund over the long term? I dunno, to me that is impressive.
 
Exit 4 said:
Bill Snyder would be my guess without looking at jack squat on the inter webs.

In my opinion we cannot get past being a 6 win team without changing our instate recruiting. While I think ct kids tend to be a bit over rated (0h boy here come the arrows) , I don’t think you can build a sustained winner without getting 6 to 8 of the top 15 kids in your home state every year. Pulling in a national team with few top flight locals is exhausting.
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Getting off topic here, but Edsall needs to change in state football development in addition to recruiting.
 
ZooCougar said:
Getting off topic here, but Edsall needs to change in state football development in addition to recruiting.
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Talk about "easier said than done." It has always seemed to me that CIAC rules related to the off-season and player contact with coaching staffs development and place CT HS football behind players from other sections of the country.
 
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FAIRTIDES said:
Talk about "easier said than done." It has always seemed to me that CIAC rules related to the off-season and player contact with coaching staffs development and place CT HS football behind players from other sections of the country.
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The CIAC rules are good for the 90+% of the kids that will never play college sports
 
she did squat for sports. Teaching at UConn Stamford now at a no show job. Almost as bad as the dead doc drawing a salary and them not even having him check in.
 
UConn66 said:
What? Babbidge dealt with Vietnam and upheaval on campus, for God's sake! Uconn was "the cow college" before Jorgenson got the money to build, among other things, the Jungle, Towers, Humanities (Arjona), Social Sciences (across the street, Montieth?), (Torrey) Life Sciences, and parts of both West and South Campus dormitories. At the same time he welcomed many WW II and Korean War vets to be educated on campus. We've had great presidents over the years, thank God. Herbst is not one of them. Nor were her assistants to the assistants whom she surrouded herself with. By the way, her experience working at a big-time football school was going to help us realign, remember? How'd that work out?
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Fantastic post.
 
Nostical said:
They are respected for sure but please, their administrations don't come close to the challenges facing Susan Herbst.
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Thanks Mr Suzy. She has bailed and is being taken care of by Dannel. She said trust her with regards to conference realignment and bombed. A downtown campus in the hood to replace a campus in W Htfd to be politically correct ain’t much
 
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