Has the gag order been lifted?

[Jaker]

Has Chiefs gag ball been pulled?

 

[uconnphil2016]

Ya know, I’m all for cheating. Don’t care about that. KO was just bad at it. If it was up to me, we’d pay recruits. That’s how you win. I volunteer to be the bag man once randy and crew start paying top 100 football recruits to come to Storrs. @whaler11 will supply the dough

 

[intlzncster]

How much closer is this to being over? I'm not even reading about it.

Doesn't seem much.

 

[The Viking]

For those of you offended by what UConn did - would you have preferred they not fired him? Because I can't imagine they'd have fired him, decided to play nice and hand him 10 mil, AND hired Hurley to the contract they did.

Would you prefer that Ollie is still coach today and that Hurley is a coach at Pitt right now? And we're another year down the $hitter and a year less attractive to a quality candidate.

 

[CL82]

I just don't believe that they could have been practicing more than allowed.

More, not better.

 

[CL82]

This is crap. I hope he gets every dime.

How so?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

"In the four-page letter sent to Ollie days before his administrative hearing Benedict laid out the university’s case against him accusing the coach of intentionally participating in impermissible activities with student-athletes during an official visit, intentionally facilitating prohibited contact between potential recruits and UConn representatives and most important 'not being completely truthful' when interviewed by university officials."

Some players' alleged paid trip to Atlanta, hotel, meals, etc and Miller's allegations to the NCAA regarding Raphael Chillious and by extension fired coach Ollie "...using Markelle Fultz, to you know, influence the kid to come to UConn ... and that they wanted to use Fultz to help work out a -- a Nike deal for the AAU team that ---recruit--- played for" caught my eye. However, once KO's hands were allegedly caught in the cookie jar were identified and documented facts also misrepresented, covered up, other TBD?

Sometimes, it's not (just) the (alleged) misdeed, crime, etc. Sometimes, it's B) the alleged cover up. Other times, it's A + B.

 

[Jaker]

 

[UconnU]

"impermissible activities with student-athletes during an official visit"

Anyone know any details on this?

 

[CL82]

It sucks. He doesn’t deserve to and won’t get every dime, but he didn’t deserve to get set up, either, which is what this smells like.

It sucks that he put himself in that position, but this doesn’t feel good. The Miller thing really turns my stomach. Imagine what he could say about the Calhoun years?

Set up? C'mon. He committed violations. Look I don't love Glen turning state's evidence, and I wonder if he a personal agenda in narcing out Ollie, but the actions are Ollie's actions, no one put a gun to his head, no one "set him up."

 

[amsterdamjade]

>>A key member of the investigation is former UConn coach Glenn Miller, who was granted immunity for his testimony before NCAA investigators and he was a key figure in confirming many of the allegations.<<

Ollie should not have fired him.

 

[CL82]

Sorry rat out then. Yeah it sounds like technical infractions were committed, but from what has come out so far it looks like the types of things that are only honored in the breach. I mean, again, from what I’ve heard about the JC years this is the equivalent of jaywalking.

And again, not saying he didn’t suck at his job the last two seasons or that he didn’t deserve to be fired. And I am happy we made the change.

I just feel bad juju about doing it this way.

Geesh, why crap on Calhoun with some vague allegation? That doesn't somehow rehabilitate what KO did.

I looked at the first three of these and thought "wow, this is pretty weak" but as it went on I cringed a bit. These aren't "technical" violations they are violations. If they knew this was out there Kevin's representation should have settled and gotten out of dodge.

 

[CL82]

Calhoun loves UCONN. GM is loyal to Calhoun. Not hard to see that GM would save UCONN under JC's guidance.

That's a bridge too far. I doubt JC's fingerprints are on GM's testimony, except other that a recommendation to tell the truth.

 

[CL82]

Glenn Miller was granted immunity from what exactly? Facing violations at a DIII program?

UConn really put the screws here to KO. It's not about what anyone deserves, but rather what was written in the contract.

Herbst and the athletic department should be ashamed they signed the deal in the first place, and how they have weasled their way out is pretty shameful.

Weaseled CHB? How by actually following the terms of the contract? Should they have been "good guys" and paid KO $10M of Connecticut taxpayer money just because?

 

[Stainmaster]

This whole thing would’ve been avoided if AD Dave hadn’t gotten pantsed by KO’s attorney when negotiating the contract. Between that and the Diaco extension he initiated, we’re completely screwed long-term if he hasn’t learned his lesson.

 

[Woodson]

Coach ‘retires’
Coach throws tantrum to manipulate hire of his guy.
Old coach gets upset
Old coach storms off to run another program while still making hundreds of thousands of dollars from old program he is helping destroy
Old coach sics his employee rat on a program that pays him hundreds of thousands of dollars
They had an employee of the athletic department unleash a rat. Think about that for two seconds. Jim Calhoun held up the athletic department to HANDPICK Kevin Ollie. As soon as Kevin Ollie had success he threw a fit.
to.

Am I missing something? How did Calhoun "get upset" or "throw a fit" after Ollie had success? Honestly didn't catch that

 

[CL82]

Desperate times, its a business, so if they can get out of his deal on a technicality so be it, I guess you do it.

But that's what they are doing. Anyone acting offended by these violations is comical.

If by technicality you mean the clear and unequivocal terms of the contract then yeah multiple NCAA violations are a technicality, I guess.

 

[selles]

Am I missing something? How did Calhoun "get upset" or "throw a fit" after Ollie had success? Honestly didn't catch that

Whaler's using his "Jump to Conclusions" mat.

 

[whaler11]

Am I missing something? How did Calhoun "get upset" or "throw a fit" after Ollie had success? Honestly didn't catch that

I don’t have evidence beyond my eyes - but after Ollie won and the relationship went to crap... to allow Miller to be a rat makes it pretty clear how angry he was.

I’m not even defending Ollie. He sucked and I was on the Ollie sucks train early. I remember getting shouted down by posters pathetically giving him passes because of his divorce.

Doesn’t change the fact these violations are a joke. I’m not going to root for the inept leadership to avoid taking responsibility on bogus technicalities. I’m sure as hell not going to root for them when they enabled a rat to sing to the NCAA and he came up with ‘yeah, I don’t know’.

As for jumping to conclusions... we can go with Miller acted alone and ratted out his boss’ hand picked successor... which would put Calhoun’s no show job that pays hundreds of thousands a year at risk.

I’m sure that it. Miller just casually ratted out UConn and hangs out with Calhoun all day at St Joe’s.

It wasn’t obvious at all when Calhoun sits courtside looming at home games all the while having no relationship with the head coach.

 

[CL82]

My point here is that Herbst and UConn went about this in a sleazy way,

Uh, they terminated an employee for just cause under the terms of the contract. How is that "sleazy"?

 

[MadDogRevival]

This is one of those situations, unfortunately, where we moved into our beautiful new home but a lot of the trash from the prior owners was left out front, on the curb.

Let's get the trash hauled away and get on with this.

Screw KO. I have zero allegiance to him. What he did to the program was unforgivable, and that's not even contemplating whatever violations they are citing.

Can't wait until he's just road kill in the rear view mirror and a punch line on the BY.

 

[selles]

This is painful.

To whom?

This is big time college basketball. The expectation is that every coach in the country pushes on every rule every day.

The expectation is also that the said coaches will work their arses off and win.

To fire someone over the most mundane technicalities to paper over your own inability to generate revenue or negotiate contracts is an embarrassment.

KO wasn't fired over a mundane technicality, he was fired because he did a terrible job. What we're arguing about is whether UConn owes him money. On that issue, one man's "mundane technicality" is another man's substantive term.

They had an employee of the athletic department unleash a rat. Think about that for two seconds. Jim Calhoun held up the athletic department to HANDPICK Kevin Ollie. As soon as Kevin Ollie had success he threw a fit.

Jim Calhoun gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the UConn AD WHILE WORKING A FULLTIME JOB AT ANOTHER UNIVERSITY and then he unleashed a rat to get revenge on the guy he put in place.

Link? I agree that Glen Miller has not covered himself with glory and should never get another D1 job. But link for the rest?

Hide behind the legal technicalities of the contract if that makes you feel good. In your burning desire to save a few dollars you are rooting for the architects of this mess and ensuring they aren’t held responsible. And oh yeah - they used a rat to save the money.

I'm not rooting for the architects of this mess. I'm rooting for the basketball program to return to its past glory. I could give a darn about the architects of this mess. If our program can return to glory with "the architects of this mess", I will root for that. If our program can return to glory without "the architects of this mess" I will root for that. I just want to enjoy watching UConn games again. What was clear at the end of last year was that KO needed to go for that to be a possibility. So thank god "the architects of this mess" had the stones to make that happen.

As for the "a few dollars" angle, my recollection is that you yourself started a prominent thread about how we would not be able to fire Ollie because we would not be able to pay the buyout. Do you now claim that $10 million is chump change?

Yeah I’d say Ollie fighting his dismissal is the same as that.

Brass tacks, Ollie's not fighting his dismissal, he's fighting whether he's entitled to $10 million as a result. So is UConn. So yeah, I'd say that's the same.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

The number of people calling Glen Miller a rat or a snitch is hilarious. I am absolutely 100% certain that all of you Johnny Tightlips would be completely loyal to the bosses who fired you and basically blamed you for their own incompetence.

Internet mobsters everywhere.

 

[Chief00]

[QUOTE="whaler11, post: 2758022, member: 676
They had an employee of the athletic department unleash a rat. Think about that for two seconds. Jim Calhoun held up the athletic department to HANDPICK Kevin Ollie. As soon as Kevin Ollie had success he threw a fit.

Jim Calhoun gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the UConn AD WHILE WORKING A FULLTIME JOB AT ANOTHER UNIVERSITY and then he unleashed a rat to get revenge on the guy he put in place[/QUOTE]

I need to be careful, but I don’t believe Jim was the one who changed after Kevin had success. Kevin changed.

 

[kansashusky]

KO and JC degraded relationship is all on KO.

Are we sure whaler isn’t just KO burner Boneyard account?