Has Diamond D. been granted her release by UNC?

[intlzncster]

Thank you for contributing your dose of reality to this board.

Really?

Yes really. She's one of the best freshman in America, probably the most dynamic. The only school in America that could even afford to turn her down would be UCONN. It's not like she can't be developed.

People here are rather uppity about what they think is proper decorum for an athlete. There's an element of arrogance where UCONN can do no wrong. It's quite easily noticeable. Just look at all the judgement in the DD thread; heck it had to be locked down. Another example, they torched Parker as selfish. Angel McCoughtry was killed for her brashness.

I still maintain that my favorite WCBB athlete ever, Diana Taurasi, would be absolutely despised, and excoriated, by the Boneyard were she to have played at another (especially rival) school.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Will this count against the APR score for UNC? Serious question...not trying to start any bashting. But after UConn's penalty, makes me think this is the kind of thing that will hurt UNC's APR.

If their recent academic scandal didn't hurt it, I doubt this will. UNC is one of the NCAA's darlings who can do no wrong.

 

[magic]

Thanks

If a player transfers to another school, the NCAA mandates that she sit out one year. Some, but not all, conferences tack on another year if the player transfers within the conference, therefore the player would have to sit out two years in certain circumstances. A coach can release the player unconditionally and therefore waive the second year, as Geno did when Kia Wright left UConn to go to St. John's (the NYC kid was very homesick).

If a girl is granted a release, she sits out the NCAA mandated year but is on scholarship and can practice with the team. If she is not granted a release, she may leave the school but must sit out the year without a scholarship. I'm not sure what happens to the second year if she transfers within a conference - I think each conference has its own rules.

As far as I know, current rules only allow students whose schools have received the death penalty to transfer to another Div I school and play immediately (I could be wrong on this, though). If a player goes to a Div II or III school, she can play right away. The NCAA is contemplating a hardship exception but it isn't in effect yet.

I hope that helps.

Thanks Nan, much appreciated. Ncaa is very confusing. I was always under impression that athletes were guaranteed access to food while at school also.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Diamond's Brother, No Luck. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...esque-face-injury-hit-pitch-article-1.1761925

 

[Kibitzer]

I still maintain that my favorite WCBB athlete ever, Diana Taurasi, would be absolutely despised, and excoriated, by the Boneyard were she to have played at another (especially rival) school.

And they would have loved Geno in Knoxville, had he coached there. Sure.

But she played here and he coaches here, so I guess we remain free to hypothesize.

 

[intlzncster]

And they would have loved Geno in Knoxville, had he coached there. Sure.

But she played here and he coaches here, so I guess we remain free to hypothesize.

Sure, we can hypothesize. Why not? Half the fun of message boards.

There is nothing wronging with critiquing (checking) yourself for your own behavior. Nan even felt the need to write a post chastising poster behavior. It is a problem.

I've got no problem with disliking other players and coaches (I do it too). I just think "she is a selfish human being" etc is way over the top.

She's a phenomenal player, and has the chance to be one of the best in college basketball, given the right situation and drive. Every coach would love to have her because it would instantly make their team far better. No different from someone like EDD transferring. You take superlative talents if you can get them.

 

[intlzncster]

Possibly. However, a head coach, ill or not, that does not know a player is transferring may take the bloom off the thrill for others.

The kid could be flat out unhappy.

Is it the ideal way to leave? Of course not. Another coach would want to know what happened. But answer a few questions to an opposing coach, and a fresh start could be all she needs.

 

[Fishy]

IIRC, not all conferences require the additional year if you transfer to another school within the conference. The Big East did require it; I'm not sure which other conferences do.

The Big East prohibited transfer within the conference - you could not transfer from one Big East school and play football or men's/women's basketball. Those rules carry over to the AAC.

Most other conferences either prohibit transfers or add an additional penalty - the ACC will take a year of eligibility away if you want to transfer between ACC schools.

The SEC is really the only conference where you can transfer between schools and only have to observe the one-year in residence rule.

 

[Paul1969]

I really enjoyed watching DD play this season. She reminded me of Diana Taurasi her freshman year. I hope we get to see more of her in the future.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

The kid could be flat out unhappy.

Is it the ideal way to leave? Of course not. Another coach would want to know what happened. But answer a few questions to an opposing coach, and a fresh start could be all she needs.

Sure. She is young, she should have that chance.

I really enjoyed watching DD play this season. She reminded me of Diana Taurasi her freshman year. I hope we get to see more of her in the future.

We live in different worlds. Just sayin...

 

[HuskyNan]

The Big East prohibited transfer within the conference - you could not transfer from one Big East school and play football or men's/women's basketball. Those rules carry over to the AAC.

Most other conferences either prohibit transfers or add an additional penalty - the ACC will take a year of eligibility away if you want to transfer between ACC schools.

The SEC is really the only conference where you can transfer between schools and only have to observe the one-year in residence rule.

I was pretty sure there was only a one year penalty for transferring from one Big East school to another. Kia Wright transferred from UConn to St. John's and Geno waived the one year league penalty.

 

[intlzncster]

We live in different worlds. Just sayin...

Ha, I will agree with that one. I didn't get a DT feel at all. Of course, DT did have the support of one of the best rosters women's basketball has ever seen.

 

[Fishy]

I was pretty sure there was only a one year penalty for transferring from one Big East school to another. Kia Wright transferred from UConn to St. John's and Geno waived the one year league penalty.

That was about a decade ago, no?

Women's hoop was added to the transfer prohibition fairly soon afterwards. You can't even do a 4-2-4 transfer within the Big East/AAC now.

Didn't Wright transfer during the summer session? If she left before being enrolled full-time, that might have helped her avoid the additional year penalty that was in place back in the day. I'm not sure UConn could have waived it had she left in September, but I can't remember when she transferred.

 

[Kibitzer]

People here are rather uppity about what they think is proper decorum for an athlete.

We disagree about DD's future and I see no point in sustaining this back-and-forth between us. Time will tell shere she goes and what she does.

Permit one last comment. I suggest that you expunge the term "uppity" from your vocabulary.

 

[HuskyNan]

That was about a decade ago, no?

Women's hoop was added to the transfer prohibition fairly soon afterwards. You can't even do a 4-2-4 transfer within the Big East/AAC now.

Didn't realize the rule had changed. Thanks.

 

[uconnell]

Yes really. She's one of the best freshman in America, probably the most dynamic.

I still maintain that my favorite WCBB athlete ever, Diana Taurasi, would be absolutely despised, and excoriated, by the Boneyard were she to have played at another (especially rival) school.

Taurasi was despised and excoriated by every rival school +.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

I don't despise DD...is there a bandwagon here I missed?

 

[intlzncster]

We disagree about DD's future and I see no point in sustaining this back-and-forth between us. Time will tell shere she goes and what she does.

Permit one last comment. I suggest that you expunge the term "uppity" from your vocabulary.

Wait, you want to stop the conversation, but then give me one last parting shot?

What's wrong with "uppity"? Perfect descriptor in this case. I would actually put it differently: it's an "our sh_t don't stink" mentality, but "uppity" captures the sentiment more succinctly and with more decorum.

On DD, I agree. In the end, only time will tell.

 

[intlzncster]

I don't despise DD...is there a bandwagon here I missed?

I never said the Yard despises DD (that was just a DT comment to make a point), but you can look through her transfer thread and see the unnecessary character judgments. Obviously not going to bring them over here. One of the themes was seeing a freshman's style of play and brashness, and assume she'd be a cancer.

I'm fully aware that my statements wouldn't include everyone on the Yard and were generalization. Take it as "a significant number of posters". No description encompasses an entire group of people.

For instance, I thought everything you said was pretty on point, including the "bloom" comment. I just think it would be no problem for a coach to get past that.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

I never said the Yard despises DD (that was just a DT comment to make a point), but you can look through her transfer thread and see the unnecessary character judgments. Obviously not going to bring them over here. One of the themes was seeing a freshman's style of play and brashness, and assume she'd be a cancer.

I'm fully aware that my statements wouldn't include everyone on the Yard and were generalization. Take it as "a significant number of posters". No description encompasses an entire group of people.

For instance, I thought everything you said was pretty on point, including the "bloom" comment. I just think it would be no problem for a coach to get past that.

You are probably right. Sometimes my posts are a horse to high for even me to ride.

 

[UcMiami]

I never said the Yard despises DD (that was just a DT comment to make a point), but you can look through her transfer thread and see the unnecessary character judgments. Obviously not going to bring them over here. One of the themes was seeing a freshman's style of play and brashness, and assume she'd be a cancer.

I'm fully aware that my statements wouldn't include everyone on the Yard and were generalization. Take it as "a significant number of posters". No description encompasses an entire group of people.

For instance, I thought everything you said was pretty on point, including the "bloom" comment. I just think it would be no problem for a coach to get past that.

I think there is probably not a school that would hang up on her, but I also think there are probably a number of schools that after talking would respectfully decline. Bringing in a transfer can disrupt team chemistry, especially if it displaces a very good player already on the team. As a coach you have to balance those considerations with adding a very talented player to your roster for less than 4 years, and you also have to consider the level of commitment to a new program, the style of play, etc. There is a reason that some coaches recruit anyone and everyone and others like Geno are much more selective, and that selectiveness goes up with the reduction of year (s) of eligibility.
ND for example has a great sophomore guard in Loyd and a very good freshman PG in Allen - bringing DD into that team would add talent but might create chemistry issues and stunt those two players development.
Uconn - same situation with the incoming freshman class
USC - not sure, but they have I believe 14 scholarship players next year and 2 walk-ons and a lot of talent already. Is the talent worth the displacement of the current team order?
That is what I meant when I said I didn't think every school would be willing to take her if she wanted to go there, and that is not being privy to possible 'distrust' built into the reasons DD is leaving UNC - if it is homesickness for example, then would a school in TX feel comfortable that they would solve that issue for her, and why?

 

[intlzncster]

You are probably right. Sometimes my posts are a horse to high for even me to ride.

Nobodies posts are tread the line perfectly. That very much includes mine.

Just it case it didn't translate "on point" meant "spot on".

 

[intlzncster]

I think there is probably not a school that would hang up on her, but I also think there are probably a number of schools that after talking would respectfully decline. Bringing in a transfer can disrupt team chemistry, especially if it displaces a very good player already on the team. As a coach you have to balance those considerations with adding a very talented player to your roster for less than 4 years, and you also have to consider the level of commitment to a new program, the style of play, etc. There is a reason that some coaches recruit anyone and everyone and others like Geno are much more selective, and that selectiveness goes up with the reduction of year (s) of eligibility.
ND for example has a great sophomore guard in Loyd and a very good freshman PG in Allen - bringing DD into that team would add talent but might create chemistry issues and stunt those two players development.
Uconn - same situation with the incoming freshman class
USC - not sure, but they have I believe 14 scholarship players next year and 2 walk-ons and a lot of talent already. Is the talent worth the displacement of the current team order?
That is what I meant when I said I didn't think every school would be willing to take her if she wanted to go there, and that is not being privy to possible 'distrust' built into the reasons DD is leaving UNC - if it is homesickness for example, then would a school in TX feel comfortable that they would solve that issue for her, and why?

Yes, you are right on that last point. I was more speaking to her playing ability and the person in the locker room that goes along with that. A coach would have to be leary about the homesickness thing.

FWIW, I think Muffett would take her hands down. It's very much an arms race with UCONN, and she seems closer to the desperate than not (given her actions/statements in this year's tournament).

I also think Geno would take her (but can understand why others think not), if she answered his questions to his satisfaction. That said, I wouldn't be overly surprised if he turned her down.

 

[semper]

I think we'll see her in orange...

 

[stamfordhusky]

That's sort of what I was implying; they don't even have to lie though, just work the system. It's clear UCONN didn't think it was a big deal, because they were given a warning, and didn't really address the situation.

Not true at all. UConn knew they were facing major penalties but couldn't do much about it because a number of players left school with terrible grades and while academically ineligible. Some never belonged in college in the first place.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Chemistry is a big issue and only coaches can try to evaluate how any player might affect it.

It shouldn't be any surprise that some folks that had bad reps with outsiders at Rutgers were, from all reports, model teammates, while others that didn't create any public stirs were, at least in supposedly knowledgeable circles, considered locker room problems.

The most I'll say is that the coach has to consider the chemistry issues as well as the playing style, etc. After all, not everyone actually recruited her before she came to college, either, and I don't think they were all that lacking in talent assessment.

 

[intlzncster]

Not true at all. UConn knew they were facing major penalties but couldn't do much about it because a number of players left school with terrible grades and while academically ineligible. Some never belonged in college in the first place.

They had no idea the rules would be changed and they'd be retroactively banned, in a double jeopardy fashion no less. That stuff didn't even exist at the time of the warning. It should have been the loss of the 2 scholarships at most.

What killed them was guys almost graduated and went to try pro careers instead (a la Gavin Edwards who had 2 classes left but went to play semipro ball).

And who didn't belong in college? That's pretty arrogant. Maybe Nate Miles, but he wasn't part of the APR mess anyway. Some of them didn't belong at a major program, and struggled as a result. Just because they struggle, doesn't mean they don't belong somewhere. Most transferred to other schools and did fine.

 

[Icebear]

I thought a kid is allowed to contact other schools when she leaves the school and decides to transfer, either herself or an intermediary (?). Other schools cannot initiate contact though. Maybe the current school has to give permission idr. Has Diamond even left the Chapel Hill campus?

I don't agree with the bold. Any school in America would be absolutely thrilled to have her. I think this board's bias is getting in the way of reality here.

That was not the situation at PSU following the midnight massacre. Kids were not allowed to contact other schools without first being released.

 

[Suebird10fan]

Wait, you want to stop the conversation, but then give me one last parting shot?

What's wrong with "uppity"? Perfect descriptor in this case. I would actually put it differently: it's an "our sh_t don't stink" mentality, but "uppity" captures the sentiment more succinctly and with more decorum.

On DD, I agree. In the end, only time will tell.

Uppity was (and probably still is behind closed doors) very often used in the South to describe blacks who didn't "know their place." It was often followed by the N word.

 

[UcMiami]

They had no idea the rules would be changed and they'd be retroactively banned, in a double jeopardy fashion no less. That stuff didn't even exist at the time of the warning. It should have been the loss of the 2 scholarships at most.

What killed them was guys almost graduated and went to try pro careers instead (a la Gavin Edwards who had 2 classes left but went to play semipro ball).

And who didn't belong in college? That's pretty arrogant. Maybe Nate Miles, but he wasn't part of the APR mess anyway. Some of them didn't belong at a major program, and struggled as a result. Just because they struggle, doesn't mean they don't belong somewhere. Most transferred to other schools and did fine.

What I found interesting to discover reading about the UNC issues is: at the same time they created this new criteria for 'grading' academic performance and applying it retroactively, they also completely abolished any minimum standard for athlete eligibility to get a scholarship. This allows schools with no conscience to give scholarships to any student that gets a HS diploma many of which are meaningless. And once enrolled to be given a course load of advanced macramé, dance for dummies, and weight room technique to maintain a few years of academic eligibility until they leave for pro ball. UNC and i suspect a number of other really ambitious universities even designed whole departments to administer nonexistent classes, and when even these courses proved to difficult, to find administrators willing to alter grades.