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Joe6cats said:
Yeah what fun. I don't get what it is about this team that draws such a chorus of self-righteous Gloomers. Tweaking the rosy expectations of most of us with fact-free hand-wringing must be cheap thrills. I guess nobody here here would begrudge you guys your fun, but in the face of far better informed responses from experienced husky fans, I'd think you guys would lighten it up.
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Experienced fans? Are you kidding me? To put it bluntly I have forgot more about this game than you will ever know! I will not sit here and let some people on this board whose highest athletic achievement in life was not getting picked last in Gym Class take shots at me about being "experienced" or "informed".
 
CONNFAN23 said:
Experienced fans? Are you kidding me? To put it bluntly I have forgot more about this game than you will ever know! I will not sit here and let some people on this board whose highest athletic achievement in life was not getting picked last in Gym Class take shots at me about being "experienced" or "informed".
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Try relaxing and post to issues rather than throwing an angry break dance on the floor when you feel affronted.
 
Kibitzer said:
Well, there is consolation in this discussion. Nobody stated (when analyzing the second half) that "Syracuse wanted it more."
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True!

But actually I have seen the players [quoted] using that phrase in their post-game talk. Last week it was Kelly.
 
doggydaddy said:
It would help if telling it like it is means being factual.

She had 11 points and 7 assists. She has only 62 TO's this year in 30 games.

BTW, Diggins has 108 in 31 games.
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Sorta' factual but I think the ball handling comparison needs to factor in minutes played and somehow consider the difference between a primary ball handler and a player that alternates between the 1 and 2 guard positions.

With that said, I never considered Hartly a good ball handler until I looked at the stats. Too many travels and lazy passes stuck in my mind. Now I might have to reconsider my opinion. I was surprised to see that she's ranked 47th in A/TO. Not great but very respectable. Diggens is 68th.

Faris was ranked 14th until last night's performance. I think she drops to 25-30.
 
CONNFAN23 said:
Experienced fans? Are you kidding me? To put it bluntly I have forgot more about this game than you will ever know! I will not sit here and let some people on this board whose highest athletic achievement in life was not getting picked last in Gym Class take shots at me about being "experienced" or "informed".
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Then why didn't you know about Hartley's excellent A/TO ratio when you make your insulting and inaccurate comment about her TO's?

You certainly weren't "informed" about that, were you.
 
vtcwbuff said:
Sorta' factual but I think the ball handling comparison needs to factor in minutes played and somehow consider the difference between a primary ball handler and a player that alternates between the 1 and 2 guard positions.

With that said, I never considered Hartly a good ball handler until I looked at the stats. Too many travels and lazy passes stuck in my mind. Now I might have to reconsider my opinion. I was surprised to see that she's ranked 47th in A/TO. Not great but very respectable. Diggens is 68th.

Faris was ranked 14th until last night's performance. I think she drops to 25-30.
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My response was to the insulting comment about Hartley just needing to be on the court 1+ minutes to turn the ball over. It was just ignorant.
 
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VAMike23 said:
True!

But actually I have seen the players [quoted] using that phrase in their post-game talk. Last week it was Kelly.
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The players say pretty much exactly what they are told to say by their handlers. Canned statements prepared for them. I don't know why they bother with player interviews because it's very rare to hear something fresh and ad libbed.

It's probably a good thing. ;)
 
vtcwbuff said:
Sorta' factual but I think the ball handling comparison needs to factor in minutes played and somehow consider the difference between a primary ball handler and a player that alternates between the 1 and 2 guard positions.

With that said, I never considered Hartly a good ball handler until I looked at the stats. Too many travels and lazy passes stuck in my mind. Now I might have to reconsider my opinion. I was surprised to see that she's ranked 47th in A/TO. Not great but very respectable. Diggens is 68th.

Faris was ranked 14th until last night's performance. I think she drops to 25-30.
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Hartley was never a poor ball handler.

She is turnover prone though. She'll make passes that are a little too adventurous. She'll dribble a little too "cutely" in front of two defenders. But she also gets called for some travels that I'm not sure are travels. ( I think her excellent ball fakes out smart the refs.) And although sometimes I think her longer arms allow for defenders to steal the ball by reaching around...I also think she's often fouled in that situation and it's not called. (Diggins, for example, doesn't get ball. She intentionally wacks the side of Hartley's arm, and Bria..of course, loses the ball.)

But in general, that is what you are going to get from Bria. If she's passing a lot, like she was last night. You'll get some excellent plays and passes. She made more plays than the 7 assists she got credited for. But she'll also make a few too many "gutsy" passes..that are either impossible for her teammates to catch, or put her teammates in a bad spot.

I don't mind. Diana was turnover prone too.
 
It looked like Geno was going to blow a gasket at Bria yesterday after her turnovers and instead he directed it at Stewart. I think that might be a good idea. Stewarts head seems to be in a better place right now. Bria seems to be just getting her game back! I don’t want to see her lose what little confidence she is building
 
svetbird said:
It looked like Geno was going to blow a gasket at Bria yesterday after her turnovers and instead he directed it at Stewart. I think that might be a good idea. Stewarts head seems to be in a better place right now. Bria seems to be just getting her game back! I don’t want to see her lose what little confidence she is building
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I saw that and thought "Why is he yelling at Stewart? She's the only one with her head in the game."
 
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I would really like to see a fake before the pass. I think we are too predictable and teams ND play the passing lanes which ends up for us as a turnover. Bria is a little better, but she has been distracted all year which caused hesitation and at times she is zoned out. If we play tonight like we did last night we will be in trouble. I sure don't want ND taking this thing with them bolting in July. Hopefully the women will stick it in their ear tonight.
 
He yelled at Stewart because she had missed a defensive assignment, messed up on offense, than missed another defensive assignment.

Who was it that threw the ball out of bounds so that Geno caught it? That was hilarious.
 
doggydaddy said:
Then why didn't you know about Hartley's excellent A/TO ratio when you make your insulting and inaccurate comment about her TO's?

You certainly weren't "informed" about that, were you.
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You cant rely solely on stats to tell the whole story. For example how many times has BH made a bad pass either to a corner allowing a trap, a post player on a fast break 30ft from the basket who then travels, or a cutter whose defender is in great position to take a charge? All of these are TOs but don't show on BH stats.
 
CONNFAN23 said:
You cant rely solely on stats to tell the whole story. For example how many times has BH made a bad pass either to a corner allowing a trap, a post player on a fast break 30ft from the basket who then travels, or a cutter whose defender is in great position to take a charge? All of these are TOs but don't show on BH stats.
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I don't know, how many?

It still doesn't make your original post any smarter.
 
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