Harsh Yahoo stuff on Andre | Page 2 | The Boneyard

Harsh Yahoo stuff on Andre

Status
Not open for further replies.
Drummond is a freak. the only thing that is stopping him from becoming a very productive NBA player is him and I know nothing about the kid personally so i'm not going to say anything about him or his work ethic.

maybe 1/100 big guys that are drafted are ready offensively their first few years in the league. lets not pass judgement on the kid until year 4 when most big guys really make that big leap into a productive player.

if i didn't need an immediate impact player i'd jump all over Andre. big guys with that athleticism are few and far between.

and even tho i love the team/school, i'm far from a UConn homer when it comes to analysis. if i thought he'd suck, i'd say it. at this point i think you judge a big guy on his raw abilities and whether he's willing to work. if he's the type of kid that is going to put in the time, i don't see many players with more upside in the draft.
 
Right 21. I would say that if you are drafting him thinking he's going to help in the short term, you are wasting your time. Ideal situation for him would be something like one where he could be a backup for a couple of seasons and develop. But I'm not sure very many GMs would want to do that with a Top 5 pick. If the NBA had a sensible system, he go to the D-League for a year or two, or even stay in college for a couple more seasons. But of course they don't. So he'll get a big contract but who knows if he'll become a bigtime player.
 
FWIW... i think the writer is a bit of a genius, but as several posters pointed out, while the "critique" was essentially correct, the kid was 18 years old. he has a lot of upside. i don't expect him to be an elite NBA center, and he may never be, but he certainly could be an Okafor type player for many years, and his ceiling is probably higher. I know there aren't a lot of things we like about Bynum, but he was pretty much a non-factor his first few years but he's turned into an elite center thru hard work and training.
 
the Bynum path is essentialy what i was getting at. thats the normal progression of a young stud big guy. Bynum clearly put in the work while a guy like Kwame chose the other path of laziness. None of us know what path Drummond will take but the upside of him is more than just about any other guy in the draft.

As for the Okafor comment. While Emeka has caught a lot of flack for being hurt alot, he's been a very prodcutive NBA player when he's stayed on the court. not many guys have averaged a double double with 1.8 bpg over an 8 year period. I'm not saying he's totally lived up to being the #2 pick, but he's been pretty damn good but has been playing on bum teams that never allow him to showcase his skills to the public on TV.
 
Bynum rose up the charts as a junior/senior in high school. Was raw, went to NBA for a few years and sat, got better. Now would be considered an All Star center, or close. If Bynum had been a one and done at Uconn would expect he would have had a very limited impact for that one year, just like Drummond. Dwight Howard still can't shoot a foul shot, or jumper.
Key thing I saw last year with Drummond doesn't have much basketball experience. Out of position a lot, arms down, not moving to better place on court as play develops, no "that's my rebound mentality like the Worm", no form on shots. This is all something he can get much better at if he has the right attitude as to studying, listening and working. Uconns offense was impossible to play in last year for seasoned players, a novice like Andre had no chance.
The down playing of an 18 year olds work ethic based on ??? Not knowing how to do something is not the same as having no interest in learning how to do it. Never saw a trace of attitude by Andre last year, whether playing or sitting.
 
walker11 said:
Davis actually does have some back to the basket moves. If you watched him in the tourney you would have seen a number of lefty and righty jump hooks and turn arounds. He also shoots about 50% points better from the line. And he has more of an excuse for his developing post game than Andre because he hasn't even been a big man for 3 years.

You may be right that Drummond has a higher ceiling but not much higher and Davis is much more likely to reach his ceiling.
Expand ...

Not much, and not really against other legit big men. Withy completely neutralized him in the Championship game, despite the outcome. Davis' shot blocking is excellent. He has timing and athleticism. But he has a ton of development still to come to be an all star at the NBA level. I don't think the stark distinctions between him and Drummond are warranted.
 
.-.
Waquoit said:
These two sentences are incompatable. His floor is much, much lower.

The bottom line is that Andre is not going be a star in the league by just showing up to games and practice. He's going to have to bust his hump and that's not a given. Rick Robey played for years and his only move was a lay-up with his left hand. If Andre can just come up with that he will way ahead of the game.

What these guys said isn't out-of-line, but that doesn't mean they will be proven correct. They were saying similar things about James Harden, he was everyone's drafted-too-high bust not too long ago. Like Harden, the ball is in Drummonds court.
Expand ...

Sounds like you overrate DeAndre Jordan. I would be shocked if Drummond isn't a competent defensive player and rebounder like Jordan is (which is all he is). I would be disappointed if he isn't better than Jordan within two years. Jordan is what Drummond will be if he learns ZERO post moves and never learns to shoot either a HOOK, a JUMP SHOT, or a FREE THROW. So if Drummond stays at the same level offensively, he will be Jordan. Now, defensively, Jordan is ahead of Drummond (but actually not even very good -- he's a plus shotblocker but not great otherwise). Of course, Andre has to work at it. I assume he will put the time and work in necessary to be a good defensive player and rebounder. Not a high bar. Which is was my point entirely.

Saying I'm overrating him by saying he'll at least as good as Jordan is just as subjective as my comment was. I was simply saying I'm not expecting Drummond to be a great player the way I have expected other Huskies to be great players (and then seen them fall short of expectations).
 
These Yahoos are total lightweights in their parents basement - no understanding of the game
 
You called him the best player in the country this season. I'm not sure you should be throwing stones.
 
There is a stark distinction between Davis and Drummond. If you don't think that, I question your basketball IQ. The biggest difference is Davis almost always makes a difference in every game he plays and can do so in more than one way. He is better than Andre in almost every aspect of the game.
 
aceboon said:
Marc Gasol was as slow if not slower than Hasheem and he was able to defend the pick and roll while on the same squad. Can athletic abilities come into play on D, yea, but you have to know what you're doing out there and also have a willingess to defend what's thrown your way. Hasheem's biggest problem is he had no clue and he also played lazy on D.
Expand ...

Not having any proof, I think Gasol is much quicker laterally than Hasheem.

Waquoit said:
These two sentences are incompatable. His floor is much, much lower.

The bottom line is that Andre is not going be a star in the league by just showing up to games and practice. He's going to have to bust his hump and that's not a given. Rick Robey played for years and his only move was a lay-up with his left hand. If Andre can just come up with that he will way ahead of the game.

What these guys said isn't out-of-line, but that doesn't mean they will be proven correct. They were saying similar things about James Harden, he was everyone's drafted-too-high bust not too long ago. Like Harden, the ball is in Drummonds court.
Expand ...

Drummond's floor is lower than 4-5-1 as a rookie, 5-5-1 as a 2nd year player, 7-7-2 and finally 7-8-2 as a fourth year player with the best P&R PG in the game? Really? Are you willing to take under 6-6-1.5 for a four year average for Drummond's first 4 years? Keep in mind DeAndre Jordan was a year older entering the league also. I'd say that's a very fair floor based on actual production from Jordan.
 
.-.
This is all insane... 7' 270, crazy athlete... as a freshman he went 10 pgs, 7reb, 3bl!! Oh and he's a great guy with alot of charisma

Whatever team gets him gets a gem, and he is being undervalued. Honestly alot of these comments I would look at the teams at picks 7-13 who are desperately hoping he falls to them. Watch it now, this will all turn in the next few days before the draft and he will go higher than expected.

Mark it down

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
 
johnhuskies95 said:
ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo
Of the 125 players who defended at least 75 post-up plays this season, Andre Drummond allowed the fewest points per play.
Expand ...
People have told me that they didn't think Drummond was a good defensive player in terms of guarding his own man but I've always thought otherwise. Good stat
 
Someone please save all the homer posts in the archives and resurrect it when Anthony Davis is a perennial all star and Andre is a bench big guy 5 years from now. Another case of homerism empowering the Internet poster to think they are smarter than those that are paid to evaluate. There is a sharp, again sharp contrast between Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond. The Kwame comparison isn't worth anyones time to even dissect.
 
RuffRuff said:
Someone please save all the homer posts in the archives and resurrect it when Anthony Davis is a perennial all star and Andre is a bench big guy 5 years from now. Another case of homerism empowering the Internet poster to think they are smarter than those that are paid to evaluate. There is a sharp, again sharp contrast between Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond. The Kwame comparison isn't worth anyones time to even dissect.
Expand ...

Nice to know you can see into the future, maybe you should buy some lottery tickets to go along with those predictions.
I know Andre for a few years and know how much he loves the game and wants to be the best he can be. He needs work on his offense but the desire is there, that I know for sure.
 
.-.
Chief00 said:
Show me where I said that. You are pretty clueless.
Expand ...

If (a) I didn't work for a living and (b) there was an easy way to search by poster, I certainly would. You know you said it, it's fine. People say ridiculous things from time to time. You got any other "rumors" you're hearing that have already been announced by the athletic department?
 
Does anybody remember Roy hibbert his freshman year at Georgetown ? It comes down to what environment he is drafted into , that will dictate his growth in the first few years . I feel like some people on here have an ax to grind because of our dissapointing season. As far as yahoo and other media outlets we all know gms peddle them pointless drivel in order to get what they actually want in the draft ( hence dion waiters being so high on boards smh).
 
One thing I don't understand - if Drummond is projected to be great 5-6 years down the road, why would a team draft him now? Don't you just wait until he becomes a free agent and let another team do the dirty work.
 
uconNYC said:
One thing I don't understand - if Drummond is projected to be great 5-6 years down the road, why would a team draft him now? Don't you just wait until he becomes a free agent and let another team do the dirty work.
Expand ...

He becomes a restricted free agent before he becomes an unrestricted free agent. So if he shows some promise in the first couple years, you can lock him up for a while.
 
l guess I need a little help with your point on Hibbert vs Drummond? My question to you is what was Roy rated going into Gtown vs Andre who was 1 or 2 out of HS? Add to that he stayed 4 years and turned himself into a nice player...imagine what Andre may have been if he stayed a couple more.....maybe?
 
RuffRuff said:
Someone please save all the homer posts in the archives and resurrect it when Anthony Davis is a perennial all star and Andre is a bench big guy 5 years from now. Another case of homerism empowering the Internet poster to think they are smarter than those that are paid to evaluate. There is a sharp, again sharp contrast between Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond. The Kwame comparison isn't worth anyones time to even dissect.
Expand ...

P.S. Have you seen some of the big men in the NBA lately?
 
.-.
RuffRuff said:
Someone please save all the homer posts in the archives and resurrect it when Anthony Davis is a perennial all star and Andre is a bench big guy 5 years from now. Another case of homerism empowering the Internet poster to think they are smarter than those that are paid to evaluate. There is a sharp, again sharp contrast between Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond. The Kwame comparison isn't worth anyones time to even dissect.
Expand ...
Drummond's too athletic and big not to be starting 5 years from now. He'll need to develop, and probably would have been better served long term with another year or two of college, but he played on a completely dysfunctional team last year.

Besides, it's not like the guys that get paid don't make mistakes... Darko Milicic was drafted before Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade.

Kevin Durant went second overall.

Zach Randolph went 20th, after perennial all stars Kirk Haston and Steven Hunter.

Drummond's "offensive" game is perfect for the league. Pick and roll, or rely on guards penetrating and dishing. With his size and athleticism, the right point guard is going to get him 2-3 alley oops a night. If he develops a somewhat decent low post game, he'll be an occasional all star and carve out a 12-15 year career. There's no reason he can't be a 10/10 guy as a rookie with the right team.

If Jake Voskuhl (9 years) and Travis Knight (7 years) can last that long, Drummond will be fine.
 
uconNYC said:
One thing I don't understand - if Drummond is projected to be great 5-6 years down the road, why would a team draft him now? Don't you just wait until he becomes a free agent and let another team do the dirty work.
Expand ...

because you get the opportunity to see if he shows strides and try to lock him up to a discounted longer term deal before he becomes a free agent.

if you wait til he becomes a free agent and he's shown promise, with his upside we're talking about a Bynum type contract he'll be demanding (14-18 mil)


if Drummond is a legit 7 ft 275 lb guy (like they said he was), guys with that size and athleticism don't come around more than once a decade. you pay coaches and trainers to mold guys like that, its not like he is completely clueless. for comparison, Dwight Howard is 6'9 but listed at 6'11.
 
Right now, he's Nuke LaLouche. All the talent in the world with no idea on how to use it.

His FT% and lack of rebounding last year is hurting him even more than the lack of polished skills. I wouldn't take him unless I could afford to gamble with the pick.

Good for Andre is that his talent and potential overwhelm that of any other pick in the 7-10 range, except maybe Sullinger.

Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk 2
 
In three years there will be a debate on this board. Drummond is a bust...no he isn't...yes he is...yada, yada, yada. Same with Lamb.
 
It's all up to Andre. He has all the tools he needs now. He can run the floor, pass, rebound, defend. His main problem is that he's truly just a kid. If can just worry about basketball and forget about the rest for a few years he'll be fine. Hopefully Mom will be a help not a hindrance.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,336
Messages
4,565,365
Members
10,465
Latest member
agiglax


Top Bottom