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willie99 said:
UConn players that went significantly higher the year they left than they would have went to prior year
Bazz
Kemba
AJ
Thabeet
Chaz
Ben
Meka
Caron


UConn players that went significantly lower because they stayed a year

any have one? maybe Special K, but probably not

any questions?
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You left Richard Hamilton off your first list. Though he had roughly the same type of year his Junior season as he did as a Sophomore, he likely was not a lottery pick without the National Championship run. The only names I could come up with for your second list were maybe Dyson and Robinson.

It's all moot. Daniel Hamilton is about to be a college drop out and if he wasn't 6'-7" with a decent handle for his size, he'd be a nameless statistic. He is walking away from a free college education. An education that obviously would have been valued much higher by someone else and an education that will most definitely not be free, should he decide to return to school.

At the end of the day, Hamilton has a rare skill that people are willing to pay for...now and yes, a basketball player can make a decent living overseas. Is it "duck you" money? It wasn't in 2013 and there is no real clear path back State-side. What happens in 5 years when that skill starts to deteriorate? Does he become the tall, vaguely familiar looking, chicken scooper yelling, "WELCOME TO MOE'S!" when I'm in the mood for a Home-wrecker? That's is the real shame of the story. UConn basketball will endure, but an individual's basketball skills have a limited window.
 
Husky25 said:
You left Richard Hamilton off your first list. Though he had roughly the same type of year his Junior season as he did as a Sophomore, he likely was not a lottery pick without the National Championship run. The only names I could come up with for your second list were maybe Dyson and Robinson.

It's all moot. Daniel Hamilton is about to be a college drop out and if he wasn't 6'-7" with a decent handle for his size, he'd be a nameless statistic. He is walking away from a free college education. An education that obviously would have been valued much higher by someone else and an education that will most definitely not be free, should he decide to return to school.

At the end of the day, Hamilton has a rare skill that people are willing to pay for...now and yes, a basketball player can make a decent living overseas. Is it "duck you" money? It wasn't in 2013 and there is no real clear path back State-side. What happens in 5 years when that skill starts to deteriorate? Does he become the tall, vaguely familiar looking, chicken scooper yelling, "WELCOME TO MOE'S!" when I'm in the mood for a Home-wrecker? That's is the real shame of the story. UConn basketball will endure, but an individual's basketball skills have a limited window.
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Now you sound like the NCAA. Please, not the free education argument.
 
Husky25 said:
You left Richard Hamilton off your first list. Though he had roughly the same type of year his Junior season as he did as a Sophomore, he likely was not a lottery pick without the National Championship run. The only names I could come up with for your second list were maybe Dyson and Robinson.

It's all moot. Daniel Hamilton is about to be a college drop out and if he wasn't 6'-7" with a decent handle for his size, he'd be a nameless statistic. He is walking away from a free college education. An education that obviously would have been valued much higher by someone else and an education that will most definitely not be free, should he decide to return to school.

At the end of the day, Hamilton has a rare skill that people are willing to pay for...now and yes, a basketball player can make a decent living overseas. Is it "duck you" money? It wasn't in 2013 and there is no real clear path back State-side. What happens in 5 years when that skill starts to deteriorate? Does he become the tall, vaguely familiar looking, chicken scooper yelling, "WELCOME TO MOE'S!" when I'm in the mood for a Home-wrecker? That's is the real shame of the story. UConn basketball will endure, but an individual's basketball skills have a limited window.
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You really think his skills will deteriorate in five years? At age 24? Because if so, you just made a very compelling case to go make money now while he still can.

I also wonder if you feel this way about the juniors who turn pro off the UConn baseball team?
 
Gurleyman said:
You really think his skills will deteriorate in five years? At age 24? Because if so, you just made a very compelling case to go make money now while he still can.

I also wonder if you feel this way about the juniors who turn pro off the UConn baseball team?
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Skills deteriorate faster when you're playing overseas, with lesser conditioning and medical staffs.
 
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I mean, it's really not. You have the best facilities in the world in the NBA
 
djct1999 said:
Now you sound like the NCAA. Please, not the free education argument.
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The NCAA has some crazy draconian rules to maintain "amateurism," while they and the school make money hand over fist on the backs of its players, but explain how the education is not paid for by someone other than (in this case) Daniel Hamilton or his family, thereby making it free to him?
 
Husky25 said:
The NCAA has some crazy draconian rules to maintain "amateurism," while they and the school make money hand over fist on the backs of its players, but explain how the education is not paid for by someone other than (in this case) Daniel Hamilton or his family, thereby making it free to him?
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Define education. Most students aren't encouraged to take 2 online classes a semester so they can focus on basketball, travel 1000's of miles, and be away from campus for a week straight. So while technically a family like the Hamilton's don't have to pay tuition, Daniel's education does indeed come at a price.
 
Gurleyman said:
You really think his skills will deteriorate in five years? At age 24? Because if so, you just made a very compelling case to go make money now while he still can.

I also wonder if you feel this way about the juniors who turn pro off the UConn baseball team?
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Apropos of nothing, Hamilton turns 21 in August of this year (I wasn't aware until just now, but he shares my son's birthday), so by the beginning of his 5th season, he will be 26 and given that the average NBA career is 4.8 seasons, 5 years seems an appropriate benchmark.

Gurleyman said:
Because if so, you just made a very compelling case to go make money now while he still can.
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I'd agree...if it were duck you money, but it's not.

I'll admit that "Deteriorate" is a subjective term, but yes, around 26 is when the average athlete also approaches the apex of their skills. At that point, the question becomes how does that apex compare to the potential ceiling of a younger player? It may just be optics, but it seems to me that NBA decision makers favor younger players coming out of college over veteran European free agents.

Gurleyman said:
I also wonder if you feel this way about the juniors who turn pro off the UConn baseball team?
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Apples and oranges. College Juniors are automatically eligible for the MLB amateur draft. They don't have to declare and give up their remaining eligibility, They can also turn down the draft selection by reenrolling in college for their senior year. If they aren't drafted, it's pretty much a no brainer...Stay in school and hopefully sign on with a team after your senior year, if they wish to pursue that dream...Salaries of minor leaguers is nowhere near duck You money either. You can probably make more yelling" Welcome to Moe's."
 
djct1999 said:
Seth Greenberg ‏@SethOnHoops 3m3 minutes ago
Daniel Hamilton,What are you thinking and who are you listening to?You have a coach that has done and seen it all.I suggest you take notes
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Seth just saying the same thing many of us are saying, listen to the man who's walked the walk (and more so than anybody, he understands what it takes)
 
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djct1999 said:
Define education. Most students aren't encouraged to take 2 online classes a semester so they can focus on basketball, travel 1000's of miles, and be away from campus for a week straight. So while technically a family like the Hamilton's don't have to pay tuition, Daniel's education does indeed come at a price.
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I don't have to define education. I defined "free." Not one single piece of monetary currency transfers possession from an athlete with a full-ride to the University related to the bare necessities of what constitutes an educational opportunity.

That aside, do you have Hamilton's transcript in front of you? Are you privy to discussions between him and his academic counselor? Or him and Kevin Freeman? Are you just making S.W.A.G.s based on what is posted on Twitter, this, and other message boards? My guesses are No, No, No, and Yes. While I suspect, I don't KNOW why Hamilton only took 2 online courses and I don't know if that was encouraged, let alone any reasons why. On the other hand, I also don't see the relevance. Basketball players (heck any student) routinely take summer courses to make up for missed classes throughout the year.

This final one is neither here nor there, but which road trip required UConn basketball players to miss a week of school? I'm just curious.
 
He could have been the next Rip Hamilton. Instead he will be the next Andre Drummond, not here long enough to leave a lasting impact.
 
gtcam said:
OK you had your laugh
I find this offensive, not funny at all
I have been a volunteer for the Special Olympics for decades and have a special needs brother
Your attempt at humor is way off color
AND I am not sensitive - just appalled at some dweebs sense of humor
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Oh for duck's sake.
 
Here's the thing. Daniel Hamilton either has the natural ability, work ethic, and drive to be an NBA player or he doesn't. Whether or not he went to UConn next year has no effect on that, whatsoever. Granted, I don't think Hamilton exhibited those skills in his 2 years at UConn, but I'm not an NBA scout.

HOWEVER, it's far easier to realize that potential, and put money in the bank in case it doesn't work out, or you get injured, if you land a first round, guaranteed contract. THAT is where Hamilton is likely to miss out. Can he get to the NBA through the D league or Europe, etc. ? Yes. But it's harder and the margin for error is a lot smaller.

If he truly didn't like the school aspect of D1 hoops, that's understandable, I guess.
 
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Husky25 said:
I don't have to define education. I defined "free." Not one single piece of monetary currency transfers possession from an athlete with a full-ride to the University related to the bare necessities of what constitutes an educational opportunity.

That aside, do you have Hamilton's transcript in front of you? Are you privy to discussions between him and his academic counselor? Or him and Kevin Freeman? Are you just making S.W.A.G.s based on what is posted on Twitter, this, and other message boards? My guesses are No, No, No, and Yes. While I suspect, I don't KNOW why Hamilton only took 2 online courses and I don't know if that was encouraged, let alone any reasons why. On the other hand, I also don't see the relevance. Basketball players (heck any student) routinely take summer courses to make up for missed classes throughout the year.

This final one is neither here nor there, but which road trip required UConn basketball players to miss a week of school? I'm just curious.
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What regular student takes two online classes a semester and a full course load over the summer? Ummm, none do. That alone tells you it's not about education. Just ask Ben Simmons.
 
Henry said:
He could have been the next Rip Hamilton. Instead he will be the next Andre Drummond, not here long enough to leave a lasting impact.
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I wouldn't make that analogy. If he were a lottery pick, this thread would be a whole lot shorter

And AD left when the wheels seem to be falling off, right wrong or indifferent
 
This thread is a cesspool, all of a sudden Seth Greenberg is being held up as some great basketball mind , and not the ESPN talking head he is.

Bottom line next year would be even harder for Hamilton to get drafted ; he'd be 22 entering camp, and the 2017 draft is just loaded. Show me someone who shot below 40% from three AND FGS, then all of a sudden made a leap to first rounder junior year? (Don't say Kemba , he was touted a first round pick prior to his junior year).

I just don't get why some of you are so up in arms like this is a grave mistake, there wasn't some magical pixie dust waiting in storrs to give him longer arms and more athleticism.
 
djct1999 said:
What regular student takes two online classes a semester and a full course load over the summer? Ummm, none do. That alone tells you it's not about education. Just ask Ben Simmons.
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I had an internship during my 6th semester and only got credit (6) if I wrote a paper. I then took three classes during the following summer in order to get to get back on track to graduate in 4 years (I never said a "full course load" over the summer.). Do you know why I did that? It was part of the plan I laid out with my academic adviser, just as it was laid out for about 40 of my classmates.

While they did not offer online courses when I was in Storrs, I don't see how their worth is diminished at all as compared to an in-classroom course, at least not for the current generation of "regular student."

Ben Simmons is (yet another) red herring in this discussion, but to answer your original question (What regular student takes two online classes a semester and a full course load over the summer?),...me...and 3 dozen others in my major alone.
 
James said:
I just don't get why some of you are so up in arms like this is a grave mistake, there wasn't some magical pixie dust waiting in storrs to give him longer arms and more athleticism.
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This feels a bit revisionist, seems to imply that Hamilton was never going to be a first-round talent.

This was a guy who was a Top 30 recruit, highly skilled, with every expectation that he'd be the next in a line of stud wings from Ray to Rip to Caron to Rudy to Lamb to carry this program's banner in the NBA.

I don't buy that he was always limited and that the NBA was a stretch.
 
Somebody tell DHam to call Buddy Hield and DeAndre Daniels ASAP. They would both tell him that staying in college and seasoning his game is the right decision if his dream is having a significant NBA career.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
This feels a bit revisionist, seems to imply that Hamilton was never going to be a first-round talent.

This was a guy who was a Top 30 recruit, highly skilled, with every expectation that he'd be the next in a line of stud wings from Ray to Rip to Caron to Rudy to Lamb to carry this program's banner in the NBA.

I don't buy that he was always limited and that the NBA was a stretch.
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When Hamilton left his jumper in cali with his Belmont shore jersey, the book was written on him. All those guys you mentioned had better physical profiles and more athleticism.

I would be up in arms just like some here if he was actually a 'raw' prospect with tons of room to grow. You see some one like rip Hamilton , who had a similar frosh year %s, make a serious leap his sophomore year ...there's upside there and It wouldn't have made sense to leave early. I don't see that kind of trajectory with dham.
 
Gwynning said:
Somebody tell DHam to call Buddy Hield and DeAndre Daniels ASAP. They would both tell him that staying in college and seasoning his game is the right decision if his dream is having a significant NBA career.
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On it Boss!
 
Hamilton was on a better trajectory than Denzel Valentine, he just needed to improve the 3 point shooting and decision making.
 
Gwynning said:
Somebody tell DHam to call Buddy Hield and DeAndre Daniels ASAP. They would both tell him that staying in college and seasoning his game is the right decision if his dream is having a significant NBA career.
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Go take a look at buddy hields sophomore year numbers. And Daniels was 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan: physical tools.
 
Husky25 said:
I had an internship during my 6th semester and only got credit (6) if I wrote a paper. I then took three classes during the following summer in order to get to get back on track to graduate in 4 years (I never said a "full course load" over the summer.). Do you know why I did that? It was part of the plan I laid out with my academic adviser, just as it was laid out for about 40 of my classmates.

While they did not offer online courses when I was in Storrs, I don't see how their worth is diminished at all as compared to an in-classroom course, at least not for the current generation of "regular student."

Ben Simmons is (yet another) red herring in this discussion, but to answer your original question (What regular student takes two online classes a semester and a full course load over the summer?),...me...and 3 dozen others in my major alone.
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It really is a shame you couldn't speak to Dham before his decision to remind him how valuable A free education is. Maybe, just maybe, he would have changed his mind.
 
Can't reason with someone who doesn't want to be reasoned with (or can't seem to stay on point). It seems people on this message board have the same problem.

Circumstantial evidence indicates Hamilton wasn't interested in college. Fine. Be gone. Better he leaves now than to have a deep Tourney run vacated in disgrace.

Incidentally, did you find the road trip that forced the basketball team to miss a week's worth of classes?
 
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