That's like saying UConn women's bball are not a blue blood 60 years from now, only because they didn't win a title they in 25 years.
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You think Louisville is "always" considered a blueblood? I suppose there are a handful of people who say that, but it is definitely a minority opinion. I think most folks these days would say UNC, UK, KU, and Duke. UCLA has been too mediocre over the past 25 years, ditto Indiana.
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They have more NCAA appearances, more wins, a better record overall, more final fours, and more weeks ranked.
"Oh, the P5 will never want us!"And the official Top 10 is:
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
UCLA
Kansas
Louisville
Indiana
UConn
Villanova
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Storrs, Connecticut, can now claim to be home to one of the 10 best programs in college basketball history on the men's side -- and certainly the best in women's hoops. This means UConn is the best basketball school in America from a historical perspective.
If the P5 were smart, they'd have added us long ago to prevent us from winning more.
That, I am aware of. But I'd equate Louisville to Villanova, since the goal is titles.
The fact UConn has never lost a championship game in basketball is unreal. Am sure that'll change one day.
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Cinci in the top 10 seems ridiculous. Louisville ahead of UConn is just wrong. But all we need to do to fix that is have some good years ahead as they watch the shambles of the stained and sullied tatters of their program fall.
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This is a pretty narrow-minded and reductive view, not to mention boring. You can probably find the list of programs ranked by titles on wikipedia, but it's going to tell you that San Francisco is better than Syracuse and Arizona. Louisville is one of the all-time great programs, and by most metrics, they've been better than UConn. Yes, UConn has one more national championship than Louisville, but is that more important than everything else? How about Kansas? They only have three.
While I already consider UConn to be a “blue blood,” I do think our last 4-5 years put a dent on the identity of our program, and ultimately being included in that discussion. So it is probably accurate where we are placed on this list. With our move back to the Big East and our expected return to prominence, I would be surprised if UConn doesn’t cement their blue blood status over the next 5 years. Another Natty would be the end of the discussion for sure!
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The top five have been the top five for the last 20 years.
UConn, Indiana and Louisville seem to be the next group. Nova's two recent championships has really elevated them.
Personally I'd have Louisville behind UConn and Indy. You can argue Indy/UConn and get strong arguments for either case. I think Louisville falls short of both of them.
UConn, Indiana and Louisville seem to be the next group. Nova's two recent championships has really elevated them.
Personally I'd have Louisville behind UConn and Indy. You can argue Indy/UConn and get strong arguments for either case. I think Louisville falls short of both of them.
We have had a much longer run of success than USF, starting in the 50s, continuing till this day. Does that suit your standards better, more fulfilling?
USF to Syracuse was a lame comparison. Really.
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UConn made the tournament in 2016 so let's say the last 4 years were sucky. Really only 3 years since they weren't bad last season. I think every program has some downturns.
Most say Indiana is a blue blood. Between 2008-2009 and 2010-2011 they went 6-25, 10-21 and 12-20. You can say the B10 was better than the AAC but those are still 3 way worse years than UConn had. Plus Indiana hasn't won a national championship in 33 years, since 1987. 33 years is a long time. Since that championship they've been to 2 Final Fours, in 1992 and 2002. Hardly a record of a blue blood over a 33 year period.
Since 2003 they've made the NCAA Tournament only 7 times and only gotten through the first weekend three times, in 2012, 2013 and 2016 when they made the Sweet 16 each time.
So why has Indiana held on to their blue blood status? Did they have a longer sustained period of success than UConn and it would take a longer and much worse period to knock them out of that blue blood status?
They don't seem to recruit like a blue blood program. A good B10 program, but not an elite program.
So is Indiana still a blue blood? Why?
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I’m not arguing with any of your points about Indiana. I’m talking about UConn’s status as a blue blood. Indiana is probably on the cusp of being a questionable blue blood for the reasons you mentioned. The only programs I wouldn’t argue against their blue blood status are Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC and I suppose UCLA.UConn made the tournament in 2016 so let's say the last 4 years were sucky. Really only 3 years since they weren't bad last season. I think every program has some downturns.
Most say Indiana is a blue blood. Between 2008-2009 and 2010-2011 they went 6-25, 10-21 and 12-20. You can say the B10 was better than the AAC but those are still 3 way worse years than UConn had. Plus Indiana hasn't won a national championship in 33 years, since 1987. 33 years is a long time. Since that championship they've been to 2 Final Fours, in 1992 and 2002. Hardly a record of a blue blood over a 33 year period.
Since 2003 they've made the NCAA Tournament only 7 times and only gotten through the first weekend three times, in 2012, 2013 and 2016 when they made the Sweet 16 each time.
So why has Indiana held on to their blue blood status? Did they have a longer sustained period of success than UConn and it would take a longer and much worse period to knock them out of that blue blood status?
They don't seem to recruit like a blue blood program. A good B10 program, but not an elite program.
So is Indiana still a blue blood? Why?
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I see your point on Indiana. To dig even deeper, since 1994, Indiana has made it past the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament only 5 times. One of those times was the fluke Final Four and Championship game appearance in 2002. People point to our 2014 Championship and say that was a "fluke". I disagree because it is hard to win a National Championship, therefore, there are no such thing as "fluke" National Championships. It's a big step from the Elite 8 compared to the Final Four, and it's also a huge step from winning the National Championship compared to just an appearance in the Final Four.UConn made the tournament in 2016 so let's say the last 4 years were sucky. Really only 3 years since they weren't bad last season. I think every program has some downturns.
Most say Indiana is a blue blood. Between 2008-2009 and 2010-2011 they went 6-25, 10-21 and 12-20. You can say the B10 was better than the AAC but those are still 3 way worse years than UConn had. Plus Indiana hasn't won a national championship in 33 years, since 1987. 33 years is a long time. Since that championship they've been to 2 Final Fours, in 1992 and 2002. Hardly a record of a blue blood over a 33 year period.
Since 2003 they've made the NCAA Tournament only 7 times and only gotten through the first weekend three times, in 2012, 2013 and 2016 when they made the Sweet 16 each time.
So why has Indiana held on to their blue blood status? Did they have a longer sustained period of success than UConn and it would take a longer and much worse period to knock them out of that blue blood status?
They don't seem to recruit like a blue blood program. A good B10 program, but not an elite program.
So is Indiana still a blue blood? Why?
List of Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball seasons - Wikipedia
Bottom line with Indiana is the legend and legacy of Bob Knight is still strong...as it should be. But, for all the schools in the blue blood conversation, Indiana by far has had the least success going back 20+ years.
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You dismissed everything Louisville has done because of one additional title and equated them to Nova entirely based on the number of titles. If your point wasn't that the number of titles trumps everything else, then what was it?
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UConn made the tournament in 2016 so let's say the last 4 years were sucky. Really only 3 years since they weren't bad last season. I think every program has some downturns.
Most say Indiana is a blue blood. Between 2008-2009 and 2010-2011 they went 6-25, 10-21 and 12-20. You can say the B10 was better than the AAC but those are still 3 way worse years than UConn had. Plus Indiana hasn't won a national championship in 33 years, since 1987. 33 years is a long time. Since that championship they've been to 2 Final Fours, in 1992 and 2002. Hardly a record of a blue blood over a 33 year period.
Since 2003 they've made the NCAA Tournament only 7 times and only gotten through the first weekend three times, in 2012, 2013 and 2016 when they made the Sweet 16 each time.
So why has Indiana held on to their blue blood status? Did they have a longer sustained period of success than UConn and it would take a longer and much worse period to knock them out of that blue blood status?
They don't seem to recruit like a blue blood program. A good B10 program, but not an elite program.
So is Indiana still a blue blood? Why?
List of Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball seasons - Wikipedia
This is pretty spot on.
They have the history to be top 10, but they can't be considered blue blood with 2 , some average and some terrible seasons in the last 30 years, and their last championships in the 70s and 80s.
How can Indiana and Loisville be ahead of us. I guess 4 championships don't carry as much weight as I think they should. I thought winning was what every program strives for. And Cincinnatti at #10? Why?????And the official Top 10 is:
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
UCLA
Kansas
Louisville
Indiana
UConn
Villanova
Cincinnati
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Storrs, Connecticut, can now claim to be home to one of the 10 best programs in college basketball history on the men's side -- and certainly the best in women's hoops. This means UConn is the best basketball school in America from a historical perspective.
Which 3 did Louisville win?
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Are you being cheeky or do you really not know how to google?
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I think he's referring to the vacated title. Which isn't a terrible point. They had Crum then nothing then hired Pitino who clearly was doing a ton of cheating ... and they won 1 title with Pitino. Calling them blue blood is a bit much to me, but they're clearly top 10 no question.
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They are counting the forfeited title in the calculation....WHY???
2013 does not count
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It is a terrible point, because if you read the piece you'd see that he's not vacating titles, because that is stupid nonsense for babies.
Syracuse, Mich St, Florida, Arizona all are ahead of Cincinnatti
Yeah, winning by cheating is OK. See UNC and the Astros
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real quick: do those titles still count?
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Ok, that seems a bit angry. I guess we'll disagree that Pitino being one of the biggest cheaters in history is or isn't important.
I'm not saying they're not a great historical program, with plenty of recent history. Jordan Nwora is my guy and I like Chris Mack a ton. But they're not in the class with Duke, UK, KU and UNC. In my opinion, the next tier would be UCLA, then UConn, Louisville and Indiana. I don't know why you're so angry about that.
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Doesn't look like Louisville's does. Nor does their 2012 FF appearance.
Yup. But 2013 for Louisville was vacated so that one doesn't count.
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IU has 5 National Banners hanging in Assembly Hall and the last undefeated team. As a long suffering IU fan and graduate -I can only hope Indiana can return to relevance
Sorry folks, but if you don't like the results, you should have mounted a campaign several months ago alleging that the analysis was going to be rigged unless UConn was at the very top of the pile. First, accuse CBSSports of a liberal bias. Then demand that the rating criteria be altered over and over and over again until you get the results you want. For example, specify that no school should receive consideration unless its mascot is some breed of dog and its colors* are Navy blue, white and gray. That should narrow the field enough to get you a higher ranking.
*I detect a lot of envy and sour grapes in this thread. Maybe UConn should change its school color to green.
*I detect a lot of envy and sour grapes in this thread. Maybe UConn should change its school color to green.
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UConn is tied or leads in most national championships in the past (starting from 2019) 10 years, 20 years, since the turn of the century, and the last 25 years. A total of five programs have more titles.
But not yet in this arbitrary blue blood group?
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