Grad Transfer Stat Tracker

[AZHuskiePop]

Grad transfers are counter productive to player development.
As playing time is the key factor in development.
The’re a necessary quick fix when youv’ve had few poor recruiting cycles
or your team was depleted by departures.
Long team they hurt.

 

[gioff23]

Disagree. If you rely on them, and several of them, then ok. But if u bring one in to fill a role and/or add leadership qualities, you’ll be fine.

In other words, KO couldn’t develop kids and maybe struggled with the youngsters after a long career in NBA. He needed grad transfers, particularly at end to fill holes he created. That’s a bad cocktail.

 

[the Q]

Grad transfers are counter productive to player development.
As playing time is the key factor in development.
The’re a necessary quick fix when youv’ve had few poor recruiting cycles
or your team was depleted by departures.
Long team they hurt.

As someone pointed out, theres 3 premium pg recruits left, including akinjo, who is probably gone.

If we don’t get one of them, isn’t it better to get a grad transfer rather than reach?

That way you can get a 2019 pg and turn the keys over to him with both the grad transfer and Adams gone.

 

[Kembacity]

As someone pointed out, theres 3 premium pg recruits left, including akinjo, who is probably gone.

If we don’t get one of them, isn’t it better to get a grad transfer rather than reach?

That way you can get a 2019 pg and turn the keys over to him with both the grad transfer and Adams gone.

Yes, I dont understand how this is an argument, some people just appear to be so shortsighted they think those of us who support grabbing 5th year seniors want to build our team with them. When there aren't any targets you can reasonably acquire as incoming freshman, it's better to fill in a need with a veteran guy who has been around the block and may have a more mature body, than to reach and grab a sub-par talent as a freshman, who will be lackluster and end up transferring or being the pawn at the end of the bench for 3 years. No one is suggesting shunning a possibly great 3-4 year player so we can bring on a weak 5th year senior

 

[the Q]

Yes, I dont understand how this is an argument, some people just appear to be so shortsighted they think those of us who support grabbing 5th year seniors want to build our team with them. When there aren't any targets you can reasonably acquire as incoming freshman, it's better to fill in a need with a veteran guy who has been around the block and may have a more mature body, than to reach and grab a sub-par talent as a freshman, who will be lackluster and end up transferring or being the pawn at the end of the bench for 3 years. No one is suggesting shunning a possibly great 3-4 year player so we can bring on a weak 5th year senior

if anything, with guys like Akinjo and Harris apparently not coming, why not get some 5th years and simply try to avoid another abyss of a year. Although frankly it's going to be a lot more depend on how well the sophomores (including Gilbert) develop.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

As someone pointed out, theres 3 premium pg recruits left, including akinjo, who is probably gone.

If we don’t get one of them, isn’t it better to get a grad transfer rather than reach?

That way you can get a 2019 pg and turn the keys over to him with both the grad transfer and Adams gone.

A 2018 freshman PG is a better
option. Our failure to recruit a successor to Napier while he was still here hurt us. Thank God RB stayed another year and did a credible job. But he was never the true successor. We did finally land JA in 2015-16 but had to depend on a true two at PG until he was ready.
But you are correct if we don’t land another stud PG . we absolutely need another guard .The failure of 2016-17 was too much dependence on Adams

 

[Kembacity]

A 2018 freshman PG is a better
option. Our failure to recruit a successor to Napier while he was still here hurt us. Thank God RB stayed another year and did a credible job. But he was never the true successor. We did finally land JA in 2015-16 but had to depend on a true two at PG until he was ready.
But you are correct if we don’t land another stud PG . we absolutely need another guard .The failure of 2016-17 was too much dependence on Adams

So you're disagreeing, but actually agreeing... this is the problem here on this topic.

We all agree we don't want to commit to some 2 star PG who is going to stink and not be up to our expectations of a UConn player even if he stayed for 4 years, and we also don't want to have nobody who can handle the ball in case of an injury or even foul trouble... ergo, as soon as we feel we might not be landing anyone meaningful on the incoming freshman PG market, we have to reach out and find a transfer who can play immediately just so that our team can handle the ball

 

[AZHuskiePop]

So you're disagreeing, but actually agreeing... this is the problem here on this topic.

We all agree we don't want to commit to some 2 star PG who is going to stink and not be up to our expectations of a UConn player even if he stayed for 4 years, and we also don't want to have nobody who can handle the ball in case of an injury or even foul trouble... ergo, as soon as we feel we might not be landing anyone meaningful on the incoming freshman PG market, we have to reach out and find a transfer who can play immediately just so that our team can handle the ball

Priorities
1 Stud Freshman Guard
If that fails
2 Post Grad
We can’t be without a backup ball handler as Gilbert should be viewed as icing on the cake at this point .
Vital has improved but I won’t sleep well knowing he was our backup
Maybe another year

 

[Kembacity]

Priorities
1 Stud Freshman Guard
If that fails
2 Post Grad
We can’t be without a backup ball handler as Gilbert should be viewed as icing on the cake at this point .
Vital has improved but I won’t sleep well knowing he was our backup
Maybe another year

you have a tough time just saying "yeah"

 

[auror]

The holy grail

 

[intlzncster]

There is a grad transfer opportunity cost value formula. It's been a long time since I did some Algebra, but here goes.

(Graduate transfer player win value) - (best possible last scholarship freshman season value) has to be > (last scholarship freshman as sophomore) - (alternate timeline freshman following season value).

I.e. the graduate transfer you bring in has to make a greater difference for your wins this season over a hypothetical freshman than the benefit of having that hypothetical sophomore instead of a different freshman the following year, bearing in mind that championship value isn't linear and marginal increases at higher numbers of wins are more important (aka going from 6 to 10 wins is less beneficial than going from 22 to 24). Also there is some sort of adjustment for continuity.

Graduate transfers make sense when:
A) The graduate transfer is that good and fills a need on a team expected to be competitive.
B) The recruiting options are that bad.
C) The following year's recruiting options are expected to be that much superior to this year's.

I'd add a little bit of nuance given our situation. It will help Hurley and the UCONN brand tremendously if we get off on the right foot and do well next year. I'd like to have as big an impact year as possible for future recruiting/perception purposes.

So let's get the best, highest impact guys on the court next year to generate as many wins as possible. UCONN has to show.

 

[intlzncster]

The holy grail

Either he's a genius, or he had a medical redshirt. Anyone know the specifics?

 

[UconnU]

The holy grail

Chris Mack brought him to Xavier, so one can assume he'll end up at Louisville.

 

[the Q]

Either he's a genius, or he had a medical redshirt. Anyone know the specifics?

No. But frankly between summer classes before ever being a ft student, and the 2 summers and 3 winters after that, Plus a normal workload, it really shouldn’t be that hard for guys to graduate in 3 academic yeArs. Especially if they’re taking a red shirt.

 

[mcn]

Added:

Evan Boudreaux (16/17) F 6'8" Dartmouth Ivy

Also added two speculative transfers:

Kameron Chatman G 6'7" Detroit Horizon
Micah Seaborn G 6'5" Monmouth MAAC

Both are listed on this site as possibly eligible: http://georgiabasketballblog.com/possible-graduate-transfers-2018-19-hot-board/

UCONN recruited Chatman and Seaborn goes to school in NJ/had one of the best games of his career against UCONN.

 

[UofCT]

 

[intlzncster]

No. But frankly between summer classes before ever being a ft student, and the 2 summers and 3 winters after that, Plus a normal workload, it really shouldn’t be that hard for guys to graduate in 3 academic yeArs. Especially if they’re taking a red shirt.

That's what I'm getting at. He has 2 years of eligibility left. And he's a graduate. So either he graduated in 2 years, which is really hard on top of a D1 basketball load. Or he did so in three with the benefit of a redshirt year, which is doable.

 

[Stainmaster]

The holy grail

See, some Ivy big men can be desirable targets — as long as they’re the right ones.

 

[WrenchFan69]

The holy grail

He's right up the road... This would be huge

 

[BleedHuskyBlu]

3 pt shooting please. Can we get another Giffey?

 

[auror]

Either he's a genius, or he had a medical redshirt. Anyone know the specifics?

I think he just decided to grad transfer, so instead of burning a year of eligibility he just went to class, didn't play for the year, and graduated. So it's like he spent the redshirt transfer year at his own school instead of the new school.

 

[mcn]

Best 3 point shooters:

Player Position Height School 3P 3PA 3P%

Ria'n Holland G 6'0" Mercer 2.8 5.9 0.467
Micah Seaborn G 6'5" Monmouth 2.3 5.3 0.442
Vasa Pusica G 6'5" Northeastern 2.3 5.4 0.427
Ryan Taylor G 6'5" Evansville 2.7 6.4 0.421
Elijah Bryant G 6'4" BYU 2.4 5.9 0.415
Kameron Chatman G 6'7" Detroit 2.1 5 0.414

 

[intlzncster]

I think he just decided to grad transfer, so instead of burning a year of eligibility he just went to class, didn't play for the year, and graduated. So it's like he spent the redshirt transfer year at his own school instead of the new school.

That's interesting. Never would have thought of that.

 

[intlzncster]

Added:
Evan Boudreaux (16/17) F 6'8" Dartmouth Ivy
Also added two speculative transfers:
Kameron Chatman G 6'7" Detroit Horizon
Micah Seaborn G 6'5" Monmouth MAAC

Wait, Seaborn? That's the guy who cut us a new a sshole early last season. I liked his game. Would sign him up as a third guard in an instant.

 

[UconnU]

Best 3 point shooters:

Player Position Height School 3P 3PA 3P%

Ria'n Holland G 6'0" Mercer 2.8 5.9 0.467
Micah Seaborn G 6'5" Monmouth 2.3 5.3 0.442
Vasa Pusica G 6'5" Northeastern 2.3 5.4 0.427
Ryan Taylor G 6'5" Evansville 2.7 6.4 0.421
Elijah Bryant G 6'4" BYU 2.4 5.9 0.415
Kameron Chatman G 6'7" Detroit 2.1 5 0.414

Ria'n Holland is the best of the bunch. He was originally on Wichita State, Went berserk after he transferred to Mercer. 47% from behind the arc is insane.